World Health Organization says "Anti-Vaxxers are a threat."

[Jebslund]

Autism gang gang yo

Be ourselves and aid the low-functioning ones!

Yooooooo!

Jooooooooo!

EDIT: Joining the Autism Gang Gang now.

[Trollgaard]

And are those prevalent in your country? No.

Smallpox is scary....the others are children's diseases. Although to be honest I know nothing of diptheria. I am many moons past childhood. I fear nought for myself.

I do not have children yet, so perhaps I"ll be more concerned a few years down the road, but for now...not really concerned.

What do you mean by childhood disease - because on the face of it what you posted seems really dumb?

The only people I've ever heard of in my life getting measles are kids. Its a children's disease. I was lumping diptheria in with it because it was mentioned in the same breath with measles. That could be in error, as I have never even heard of someone having diptheria.

Anyways, my whole point was basically who the fuck cares? Are these diseases prevalent? No. Are anti vaccination people a huge segment of the population? No. Plus, on a personal level I'm not a child and have none so this doesn't affect me as much personally- so I'm less invested in the topic from the get go.

Do I recognize that diseases can be deadly and harmful? Yes. I don't want people getting these nasty things. However, as I live in the US, the chances of these diseases being caught by myself or someone I know, or someone in general are very low, though perhaps the chances are growing over time.

[Novus America]

The Philippines isn't exactly reknowned for having the best education or healthcare systems. It's comparatively easy to have scams like this emerge because a lot of people simply don't know better.

Well, my home country (The Philippines) got its vaccination compliance drop to 30% ever since that Dengvaxia fiasco. A wave of deaths supposedly attributed to the dengue vaccine has singlehandedly turned the Philippines into a nation of anti-vaxxers, and I am pretty ashamed of my country.

In that case it is more understandable (even though still wrong). Properly made and distributed Vaccines are good, but improperly made and/or distributed vaccines are bad. The scandal made vaccines look bad.
Sure the assumption the scandal applies to all vaccines is a fallacious and dangerous one.
But still understandable for those not having the education to see the bigger picture.

We need vaccines but we also need to make sure the vaccines are made and distributed properly.

In the west the anti Vaxxer movement got fired up based on a fake scandal that never actually happened.

[The New California Republic]

Well, my home country (The Philippines) got its vaccination compliance drop to 30% ever since that Dengvaxia fiasco. A wave of deaths supposedly attributed to the dengue vaccine has singlehandedly turned the Philippines into a nation of anti-vaxxers, and I am pretty ashamed of my country.

In that case it is more understandable (even though still wrong). Properly made and distributed Vaccines are good, but fraudulent vaccines are bad. The scandal made vaccines look bad.
Sure the assumption the scandal applies to all vaccines is is a fallacious and dangerous one.
But still understandable for those not have the education to see the bigger picture.

We need vaccines but we also need to make sure the vaccines are made and distributed properly.

In the west the anti Vaxxer movement got fired up based on a fake scandal that never actually happened.

Most of the problems with vaccines are ironically not actually caused by the vaccines at all; but rather their incorrect handling and storage, and the problem of fake medication. The latter seems to be getting progressively worse. Of all the products that can be faked, medication is probably the most damaging by far.

[Novus America]

In that case it is more understandable (even though still wrong). Properly made and distributed Vaccines are good, but fraudulent vaccines are bad. The scandal made vaccines look bad.
Sure the assumption the scandal applies to all vaccines is is a fallacious and dangerous one.
But still understandable for those not have the education to see the bigger picture.

We need vaccines but we also need to make sure the vaccines are made and distributed properly.

In the west the anti Vaxxer movement got fired up based on a fake scandal that never actually happened.

Most of the problems with vaccines are ironically not actually caused by the vaccines at all; but rather their incorrect handling and storage, and the problem of fake medication. The latter seems to be getting progressively worse. Of all the products that can be faked, medication is probably the most damaging by far.

True. Contaminated medications of any kind can be a major problem.
Of course contamination of water supply happens but very few want to ban water as a result.

Still it is something we must take steps to address as one fake or contaminated medicine will be unfairly used to make all medicine look bad.

One issue is vaccines and how they work (and medicine in general) are not understood by most people. And that makes them scary based on ignorance.
Same thing with nuclear power, it is scary based on ignorance and the fact that a few rare and no representatives problems are not placed in perspective (it is still safer and kills fewer than any alternative).

But it is hard to explain to people how to do a large scale cost benefit analysis if they only consider their own personal experience (which is seen through the lens of misinformation).

[Len Hyet]

What do you mean by childhood disease - because on the face of it what you posted seems really dumb?

The only people I've ever heard of in my life getting measles are kids. Its a children's disease. I was lumping diptheria in with it because it was mentioned in the same breath with measles. That could be in error, as I have never even heard of someone having diptheria.

Anyways, my whole point was basically who the fuck cares? Are these diseases prevalent? No. Are anti vaccination people a huge segment of the population? No. Plus, on a personal level I'm not a child and have none so this doesn't affect me as much personally- so I'm less invested in the topic from the get go.

Do I recognize that diseases can be deadly and harmful? Yes. I don't want people getting these nasty things. However, as I live in the US, the chances of these diseases being caught by myself or someone I know, or someone in general are very low, though perhaps the chances are growing over time.

God the ignorance on display is astounding.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Herd+immunity

[Xmara]

In that case it is more understandable (even though still wrong). Properly made and distributed Vaccines are good, but fraudulent vaccines are bad. The scandal made vaccines look bad.
Sure the assumption the scandal applies to all vaccines is is a fallacious and dangerous one.
But still understandable for those not have the education to see the bigger picture.

We need vaccines but we also need to make sure the vaccines are made and distributed properly.

In the west the anti Vaxxer movement got fired up based on a fake scandal that never actually happened.

Most of the problems with vaccines are ironically not actually caused by the vaccines at all; but rather their incorrect handling and storage, and the problem of fake medication. The latter seems to be getting progressively worse. Of all the products that can be faked, medication is probably the most damaging by far.

And the other type of fake meds aka “alternative medicine.”

[Xmara]

What do you mean by childhood disease - because on the face of it what you posted seems really dumb?

The only people I've ever heard of in my life getting measles are kids. Its a children's disease. I was lumping diptheria in with it because it was mentioned in the same breath with measles. That could be in error, as I have never even heard of someone having diptheria.

Anyways, my whole point was basically who the fuck cares? Are these diseases prevalent? No. Are anti vaccination people a huge segment of the population? No. Plus, on a personal level I'm not a child and have none so this doesn't affect me as much personally- so I'm less invested in the topic from the get go.

Do I recognize that diseases can be deadly and harmful? Yes. I don't want people getting these nasty things. However, as I live in the US, the chances of these diseases being caught by myself or someone I know, or someone in general are very low, though perhaps the chances are growing over time.

You’re not just protecting yourself. You’re also protecting people who can’t be vaccinated.

[Novus America]

Most of the problems with vaccines are ironically not actually caused by the vaccines at all; but rather their incorrect handling and storage, and the problem of fake medication. The latter seems to be getting progressively worse. Of all the products that can be faked, medication is probably the most damaging by far.

And the other type of fake meds aka “alternative medicine.”

True, “alternative medicine” is a threat to medicine by its very concept.

[Bahktar]

What do you mean by childhood disease - because on the face of it what you posted seems really dumb?

The only people I've ever heard of in my life getting measles are kids. Its a children's disease. I was lumping diptheria in with it because it was mentioned in the same breath with measles. That could be in error, as I have never even heard of someone having diptheria.

Anyways, my whole point was basically who the fuck cares? Are these diseases prevalent? No. Are anti vaccination people a huge segment of the population? No. Plus, on a personal level I'm not a child and have none so this doesn't affect me as much personally- so I'm less invested in the topic from the get go.

Do I recognize that diseases can be deadly and harmful? Yes. I don't want people getting these nasty things. However, as I live in the US, the chances of these diseases being caught by myself or someone I know, or someone in general are very low, though perhaps the chances are growing over time.

In a usual setting, wherein 95-100% people are vaccinated, a thing called "herd immunity" exists wherein even those who are not vaccinated and have specific diseases preventing them for being able to get vaccinated are still safe. Once that falls under that, those people are under danger, along with you yourself for not vaccinating. Vaccines are not harmful. There's no reason to not have them. Plus, letting these people not have them is just letting them to continue their lying to society and spreads idiocy.
Anti-Vaxxers are a threat because it's a threat to the healthcare of a group, not only themselves.

[Valrifell]

Lol, ok WHO.

We aren't talking about ebola here.

No you're right it's just diseases like smallpox, measles and diphtheria. Those don't kill anyone

Smallpox was eradicated. There have been no cases documented in 39 years, it just doesn't exist anymore except as lab samples.

[Seangoli]

What do you mean by childhood disease - because on the face of it what you posted seems really dumb?

The only people I've ever heard of in my life getting measles are kids. Its a children's disease. I was lumping diptheria in with it because it was mentioned in the same breath with measles. That could be in error, as I have never even heard of someone having diptheria.

Anyways, my whole point was basically who the fuck cares? Are these diseases prevalent? No. Are anti vaccination people a huge segment of the population? No. Plus, on a personal level I'm not a child and have none so this doesn't affect me as much personally- so I'm less invested in the topic from the get go.

Do I recognize that diseases can be deadly and harmful? Yes. I don't want people getting these nasty things. However, as I live in the US, the chances of these diseases being caught by myself or someone I know, or someone in general are very low, though perhaps the chances are growing over time.

Adults can get measles. The last person to die of measles in the US in 2015 was an adult woman.

The entire reason why these diseases are not prevalent, also, is because we vaccinate heavily for them. We actually damn near wiped out measles in the US 19 years ago with 0 cases reported in 2000. Now, due to the anti-vaxxer movement, we are having growing epidemics of a disease we nearly eradicated. Its this sort of complacency that misses the entire damn point of vaccines.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No you're right it's just diseases like smallpox, measles and diphtheria. Those don't kill anyone

Smallpox was eradicated. There have been no cases documented in 39 years, it just doesn't exist anymore except as lab samples.

Yes, because of vaccinations.

Which further process their point.

[Jolthig]

And rightfully so.

I'd rather have autism than to die from an illness. Besides, I'm autistic anyway lol.

Autism gang gang yo

Be ourselves and aid the low-functioning ones!

*high fives you*

If vaccines did give us both autism, at least, they gifted us with an observant mind to look at all points of view.

And rightfully so.

I'd rather have autism than to die from an illness. Besides, I'm autistic anyway lol.

This is something that's always pissed me off the most about the anti-vaxxers. When they say, "Vaccines are bad because they cause autism," they're literally saying, "In the end, I'd prefer my child die of an infectious disease than be autistic." It's equal parts shitty parenting and ableism!

Agreed.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Autism gang gang yo

Be ourselves and aid the low-functioning ones!

*high fives you*

If vaccines did give us both autism, at least, they gifted us with an observant mind to look at all points of view.

This is something that's always pissed me off the most about the anti-vaxxers. When they say, "Vaccines are bad because they cause autism," they're literally saying, "In the end, I'd prefer my child die of an infectious disease than be autistic." It's equal parts shitty parenting and ableism!

Agreed.

It also gave us great hurdles when it comes to social communication, but I like only having a small group anyways!

[Jolthig]

*high fives you*

If vaccines did give us both autism, at least, they gifted us with an observant mind to look at all points of view.


Agreed.

It also gave us great hurdles when it comes to social communication, but I like only having a small group anyways!

I'm quite socially awkward at times (sometimes even on here), but over the years, my social skills have improved a lot. I am less awkward than I was 5 years ago haha

[Neue Coolidge]

How to State the Obvious

By the World Health Organization

[NeoOasis]

How to State the Obvious

By the World Health Organization

It wasn't obvious a decade ago... And in this case hopefully the increased awareness either drives people to educate themselves, or be socially cast out.

[The Greek Senate]

Diphtheria, Influenza, Rubella, Whooping Cough, Mumps, Tetanus, and our favourite friend Polio:

[Byzconia]

And the other type of fake meds aka “alternative medicine.”

True, “alternative medicine” is a threat to medicine by its very concept.

Supporters of "alternative medicine" consider that a good thing, because "Western medicine" is just the White Man trying to control everything by "claiming to have all the answers."

[Nova Samnium]

Dissenting opinion deleted in protest of censorship.

[Lamoni]

The solution is simple: don't let anti-vaxxers breed. Make their sterilization compulsory. They can marry, fuck, do whatever else, but they must be sterilized and NOT allowed to adopt children, either. That will eliminate both their genes and their bad influence as well.

*** Warning for trolling ***

There are plenty of historical examples of why forced sterilization of a group of people is wrong. It is also not the first such comment in the thread, and seems likely meant to inflame other posters.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

True, “alternative medicine” is a threat to medicine by its very concept.

Supporters of "alternative medicine" consider that a good thing, because "Western medicine" is just the White Man trying to control everything by "claiming to have all the answers."

Alternative medicine is unironically quite popular in Africa because of the association of modern medicine with, you guessed it, the white man.

[Byzconia]

Supporters of "alternative medicine" consider that a good thing, because "Western medicine" is just the White Man trying to control everything by "claiming to have all the answers."

Alternative medicine is unironically quite popular in Africa because of the association of modern medicine with, you guessed it, the white man.

I'm aware. And it's because of the same irrational thought processes. Africans have plenty of legitimate reasons to hate the West, but rejecting the scientific method "because it's white" is straight-up stupid.

[Tekania]

I remember the good old days when people accpeted science as fact and not fiction I do miss those days when everyone understood science and didn't see it as a evil force.

Its a sad day that the ideas of pseudoscience has taking over the minds of humans.

You have a very different memory of the "good old days" than I do.