World Health Organization says "Anti-Vaxxers are a threat."

[Novus America]

WHO is completely right. not vaccinating puts everyone at risk by giving illnesses the ability to stay alive more easily

This might surprise you but the only disease that has been fully eradicated is smallpox.

Believe or not plague still exists. It’s just treatable now

Plague is bacterial, not viral.
While vaccines for bacteria can be created in some cases, vaccines are mostly used to deal with viruses, antibiotics to deal with bacteria.

[Seangoli]

read me death toll from measles recurrence and you will also explain why this is nuisance infection with one number.

opiate abuse and transport accidents are much greater threat. unfortunately there are no dedicated cult believers in opiate abuse and transport accidents who will argue for that

Car accidents do not extrapolate infectiously or exponentially like vaccinatable diseases can. Don't think of the magnitude of the threat totally in terms of its death toll, and remember that for some things, the change could be relatively rapid.

Also, YOU'RE TEARING ME APARRRRRRRRRTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The issue with measles is that people look at the death rate of .2% and assume that's across the board; while that is an average death rate, measlesdeaths are more common among extremely old and extremely young individuals. Infant mortality due to measles is particularly high.

On top of this, serious complications, such as meningitus or pneumonia, arise in about 30-40% of cases. Again, these complications are more problematic for infants than older children and adults.

So sure, the rate is only .2% mortality rate. This rate includes older children and healthy adults, however, who practically never die from measles except in very rare cases. The infant mortality rate is much, much higher and I feel antivaxxers would be rather startled by how hogh the mortality rate is in young children and infants.

But that's what happens when people don't understand statistical analysis and instead force themselves into stupidity.

[San Lumen]

This might surprise you but the only disease that has been fully eradicated is smallpox.

Believe or not plague still exists. It’s just treatable now

Plague is bacterial, not viral.
While vaccines for bacteria can be created in some cases, vaccines are mostly used to deal with viruses, antibiotics to deal with bacteria.

Ah ok. I did not know that.

[Valrifell]

The truth is that vaccines use heavy metals like Mercury and Newton's Net to wipe the human mind of its memories pertaining to specific events, devices, and phenomena which the Paleolithic Deep State would rather we not know about, both before and after that information has been learned; For example, the Patterson-Gimlin Massacre, the Walking Through Walls Training System, or self-burying hoses are unknown to the vast majority of vaccine recipients.

The Paleolithic Deep State's usage of concepts like having a "License to Practice Medicine", "basic medical ethics", or "the Geneva Convention" makes sure the people who agree with them stay in power in for-profit medicine and those who don't will be arrested and face trial. Its the same sort of phony science that allows GMO's to do bad evil things (I don't know what they do but I heard they were bad on wakeup-world.com) and evil Nuclear power to drive clean-burning Styrofoam power plants and alternative, renewable fuels like Whale Oil out of business.

A great nation such as, for example, Uganda, where one can practice medicine with only an associate's degree in witchcraft, can create much better means for dealing with plagues than the mind control vaccines the one-world government desires us to partake in: The enlightened Ugandan people discovered that you can, indeed, use industrial bleach as a superior alternative to vaccines.

In conclusion, I think every government on our flat Earth should ban vaccines and force-feed its people as much industrial bleach as possible.

What?

He's seen the fnords.

[Nordengrund]

Can't we just fine Anti-Vaxxers? Singapore does it when people refuse to get vaccinated. And all of this money goes to the CDC to make more vaccines. Last time I checked Singapore is the only WHO region with the lowest outbreaks.

I think i can get behind that. I also like their healthcare system.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

WHO is completely right. not vaccinating puts everyone at risk by giving illnesses the ability to stay alive more easily

This might surprise you but the only disease that has been fully eradicated is smallpox.

And rinderpest.

With multiple eradication campaigns underway, the most notable of which is the polio eradication campaign which has reduced cases of polio to the tens range.

Believe or not plague still exists. It’s just treatable now

Notice how the above post says nothing about what diseases were eradicated or the plague.

[Liriena]

The truth is that vaccines use heavy metals like Mercury and Newton's Net to wipe the human mind of its memories pertaining to specific events, devices, and phenomena which the Paleolithic Deep State would rather we not know about, both before and after that information has been learned; For example, the Patterson-Gimlin Massacre, the Walking Through Walls Training System, or self-burying hoses are unknown to the vast majority of vaccine recipients.

The Paleolithic Deep State's usage of concepts like having a "License to Practice Medicine", "basic medical ethics", or "the Geneva Convention" makes sure the people who agree with them stay in power in for-profit medicine and those who don't will be arrested and face trial. Its the same sort of phony science that allows GMO's to do bad evil things (I don't know what they do but I heard they were bad on wakeup-world.com) and evil Nuclear power to drive clean-burning Styrofoam power plants and alternative, renewable fuels like Whale Oil out of business.

A great nation such as, for example, Uganda, where one can practice medicine with only an associate's degree in witchcraft, can create much better means for dealing with plagues than the mind control vaccines the one-world government desires us to partake in: The enlightened Ugandan people discovered that you can, indeed, use industrial bleach as a superior alternative to vaccines.

In conclusion, I think every government on our flat Earth should ban vaccines and force-feed its people as much industrial bleach as possible.

You put a lot of work into this satire and it shows. I'm proud of you.

[Diannaoguo]

vaccines are mostly used to deal with viruses, antibiotics to deal with bacteria.

https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/bacter ... cines.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_drug

anyway:

USA preventible deaths per year for obesity: 300,000

USA preventible deaths per year for measles:

last fatality was 1 person in 2015

better time to discuss how to punish parents with obese children. i will make new thread for this

[Thermodolia]

This might surprise you but the only disease that has been fully eradicated is smallpox.

Believe or not plague still exists. It’s just treatable now

Are- Are you a closeted anti-vaxxer or something?

Worse. They don’t want to give out vaccines because we need diseases to fight aliens

[Adad Civilization]

Are- Are you a closeted anti-vaxxer or something?

Worse. They don’t want to give out vaccines because we need diseases to fight aliens

... And?

Either way, humans are gonna suffer. And if he REALLY think we need illnesses to survive aliens then we can just save samples and inject it in like a rat or something

[Seangoli]

vaccines are mostly used to deal with viruses, antibiotics to deal with bacteria.

https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/bacter ... cines.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_drug

anyway:

USA preventible deaths per year for obesity: 300,000

USA preventible deaths per year for measles:

last fatality was 1 person in 2015

better time to discuss how to punish parents with obese children. i will make new thread for this

Have you considered that one of the largest reasons why we have so few Measles deaths in the United states is because we damn near eradicated it in the US through thr use of vaccines? In 2016, there were only 86 confirmed cases of measles in the entirety of the US.

This argument isn't an argument that measles is harmless as there was only 1 reported death in 2015. It's an argument for the efficacy of vaccines as we damn near erradicated the disease in the US, with less than 100 cases of the disease out of 350,000,000 people over the entire year.

Considering that prior to the vaccine, measles was one of the most common diseases in the US, and was one of the deadliest common diseases, that is a massive feat. This is particularly frustrating given that the US had eradicated the disease in the population in 2000, with no cases reported. Since 2016, we have seen a four-fold increase in measles cases per year, and as these cases rise you eill start to see cases arise in vulnerable population, particularly infants whom have a much higher mortality rate than other demographics (infant mortality is between 4-10 times the general population mortality rate).

So yeah, some anti-vaxxer parents are going to have a very unpleasant surprise when they find out why we worked sondamn hard to erradicate measles when their infants start dying from it.

[San Lumen]

Are- Are you a closeted anti-vaxxer or something?

Worse. They don’t want to give out vaccines because we need diseases to fight aliens

I admitted it was a stupid argument. I’m not anti vaccine so you can drop your slander

[Banana Candle]

I do not agree with anybody as a Banana Candlarian--just let me be to sleep in my bath tub.

[The Foxes Swamp]

seriously?

what percentage of the population are anti vaxxers?

[Adad Civilization]

seriously?

what percentage of the population are anti vaxxers?

Despite what Facebook likes to tell you, It's only like 2% of the population at worst

[Seangoli]

seriously?

what percentage of the population are anti vaxxers?

The problem is that it doesn't take many for a disease to regain a foothold, mutate, and then become epidemic in scale. We have already seen mutant measles showup in fully vaccinated healthy individuals, as the new strain bypasses the immunity provided by the vaccine.

While it does not have a mutation rate similar to Influenza (which is why vaccines are only good for a given year), it still is not static.

Eradicating measles entirely gives it no foothold to reproduce and mutate. This isn't science fiction. This has already happened with a measles strain, and fortunately did not spread further.

We have eradicated diseases. Smallpix was utterly eradicated from humanity 50 years ago, and rinderpest in 2011. Eradication requires instensive, population-wide vaccination. Even a small amount of people not getting vaccinated gives these diseases enough of a foothold to maintain themselves.

We could likely completely eradicate measles, mumps, and rubella worldwide if we desired it. We truly could end these diseases forever. But its the anti-vaxxers whongive these diseases a home to live and thrive in, and provide incubationnchambers for mutation into strains not susceptible to vaccines.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Worse. They don’t want to give out vaccines because we need diseases to fight aliens

I admitted it was a stupid argument. I’m not anti vaccine so you can drop your slander

You do believe willful endangerment of your children isn't a reason to take them away though.

[Xmara]

I really need to stop arguing with anti-vaxxers in the Internet. I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.

[Alvecia]

https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/bacter ... cines.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_drug

anyway:

USA preventible deaths per year for obesity: 300,000

USA preventible deaths per year for measles:

last fatality was 1 person in 2015

better time to discuss how to punish parents with obese children. i will make new thread for this

Have you considered that one of the largest reasons why we have so few Measles deaths in the United states is because we damn near eradicated it in the US through thr use of vaccines? In 2016, there were only 86 confirmed cases of measles in the entirety of the US.

This argument isn't an argument that measles is harmless as there was only 1 reported death in 2015. It's an argument for the efficacy of vaccines as we damn near erradicated the disease in the US, with less than 100 cases of the disease out of 350,000,000 people over the entire year.

Considering that prior to the vaccine, measles was one of the most common diseases in the US, and was one of the deadliest common diseases, that is a massive feat. This is particularly frustrating given that the US had eradicated the disease in the population in 2000, with no cases reported. Since 2016, we have seen a four-fold increase in measles cases per year, and as these cases rise you eill start to see cases arise in vulnerable population, particularly infants whom have a much higher mortality rate than other demographics (infant mortality is between 4-10 times the general population mortality rate).

So yeah, some anti-vaxxer parents are going to have a very unpleasant surprise when they find out why we worked sondamn hard to erradicate measles when their infants start dying from it.

Just look at what happened here in the UK after the Wakefield paper came out.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

WHO stating the obvious. Yep.

[Novus America]

vaccines are mostly used to deal with viruses, antibiotics to deal with bacteria.

https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/bacter ... cines.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiviral_drug

anyway:

USA preventible deaths per year for obesity: 300,000

USA preventible deaths per year for measles:

last fatality was 1 person in 2015

better time to discuss how to punish parents with obese children. i will make new thread for this

Sure there are some vaccines targeted at bacteria (as I said), but the majority of vaccines, especially those given as standard for children deal with viruses. And sure anti viral drugs exist.

Antibiotics do not work against viruses at all though.

[Xmara]

WHO stating the obvious. Yep.

Too bad there are parents out there who still think a Playboy playmate’s word is more reliable than that of thousands of doctors and scientists.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

WHO stating the obvious. Yep.

Too bad there are parents out there who still think a Playboy playmate’s word is more reliable than that of thousands of doctors and scientists.

Sadly true.

[Page]

seriously?

what percentage of the population are anti vaxxers?

Despite what Facebook likes to tell you, It's only like 2% of the population at worst

2% is all it takes to destroy herd immunity and give a death sentence to everyone too young or too sick to be vaccinated.

[Seangoli]

Despite what Facebook likes to tell you, It's only like 2% of the population at worst

2% is all it takes to destroy herd immunity and give a death sentence to everyone too young or too sick to be vaccinated.

While I am very much in agreement on premise, you are overexaggerating the issue a touch. Measles has about 1-2% mortality rate in infants, and has severe complications in just about as many. That doesn't sound like much, but 1-2 out of 100 is a massive mortality rate compared to most other diseases. Its true that Measles is relatively harmess to older children and adults, but it is a severe risk to infants specifically.

Mumps is also not particularly deadly, however the reason we vaccinate for it is because it can lead to male sterility at a reasonably high rate by causing swelling to the testes which in turn effectively kills them leading to sterility. About 30% of male mumps cases will lead to swelling, and about 30% of those cases are severe enough to cause sterility. Or, more indirectly, it has around a 9% chance of causing a male to go sterile. To prevent this, we vaccinate.

Rubella also isn't particularly deadly to any age demographic; rather it is particularly gruesome for fetuses, particularly if a woman catches rubella in the first trimester of pregnancy. It can lead to stillbirth and miscarriage, or leads to congenital rubella syndrome in about 25% of cases, which affects fetal development significantly. All sorts of terrible birth defects occur because of rubella. Which is why we vaccinate for it. Rubella doesn't kill people outright, it just has horrid sode effects in pregnant women.

Not to discredit vaccines, mind you. But it does a disservice to oversell what the diseases are actuallyncapable of and do.