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Do you believe that you are saved or that you need saving?

Most religions claim that we have all been condemned by God for some reason or another, and that faith in a certain God or his revealed religion must be adhered to to gain salvation. Most religions say that you cannot save yourself without their help.

Have you been condemned? Was it a just condemnation? What evil did you do to gain that condemnation? Have you been saved from it by your own efforts of the efforts of someone else?
Could you not do it on your own and did you need to pay cash the way religions tell you is required?

I show the poor thinking of religions and their adherents with this Protestant against Catholic view, but as stated, this issue applies to all religions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668D_MeV1nY

Regards
DL

No.
Get out of here,Genoic Christan!

As a Christian: we've all been saved as of the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Now we just need to learn to stop being cunts in order to enjoy it. God knows I try... sometimes.

Yep. I'm condemned to Hell. I just can't stop looking at boobs.

I don't believe in the notion of being saved or being condemned. We are what we are, we do good things, we do bad things, and they don't negate one another, there's no cosmic scoreboard. You are everything you've ever done and will do, it's all a part of you.

Page wrote:I don't believe in the notion of being saved or being condemned. We are what we are, we do good things, we do bad things, and they don't negate one another, there's no cosmic scoreboard. You are everything you've ever done and will do, it's all a part of you.

Teabaggers go to hell though, let's be honest.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Page wrote:I don't believe in the notion of being saved or being condemned. We are what we are, we do good things, we do bad things, and they don't negate one another, there's no cosmic scoreboard. You are everything you've ever done and will do, it's all a part of you.

Teabaggers go to hell though, let's be honest.

Real ones or virtual ones?

I believe that I am saved, but through the grace of God. I did not earn it. I did not deserve it.

I was condemned through my sins, but they were washed away with my baptism.

I still need help. Man, due to Original Sin, still has a fallen nature that stumbles from time to time. It's a struggle to stay in a state of grace. The good news is that God's love and forgiveness springs eternal. The Sacraments of Penance and Reconciliation are how you get back into that state of grace, so long as it's coupled with perfect contrition.

The effort to save me was done by my Lord, Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. My faith in Him and my good works are how I accept that salvation.

Page wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Teabaggers go to hell though, let's be honest.

Real ones or virtual ones?

You ruined my joke.

Oh hey, you're back.

The Great I am wrote:Do you believe that you are saved

I don't know, I'll find out on Yawmul-Qiyaamah.

The Great I am wrote:or that you need saving?

Of course.

The Great I am wrote:Most religions claim that we have all been condemned by God for some reason or another

X is for doubt.

The Great I am wrote:and that faith in a certain God or his revealed religion must be adhered to to gain salvation. Most religions say that you cannot save yourself without their help.

No, they say that you can't be saved without Allah's SWT help.

The Great I am wrote:Have you been condemned?

I don't know, I'll find out on Yawmul-Qiyaamah

The Great I am wrote:Was it a just condemnation?

Having your whole life record out for you and being judged according to it.

The Great I am wrote:What evil did you do to gain that condemnation?

I don't know, I'll find out on Yawmul-Qiyaamah.

The Great I am wrote:Have you been saved from it by your own efforts of the efforts of someone else?

No soul can bare the burdens of another, we'll be judged according to our own deeds, not that of others.

The Great I am wrote:Could you not do it on your own

We can't do anything without Allah SWT.

The Great I am wrote:and did you need to pay cash the way religions tell you is required?

You can't pay your way to salvation, that's not how it works.

The Great I am wrote:I show the poor thinking of religions and their adherents

No you haven't.

The Great I am wrote:with this Protestant against Catholic view, but as stated, this issue applies to all religions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668D_MeV1nY

Regards
DL

You can't show a video of 1 religion and put it on others. You have to explain why you think each religion and its adherents have poor thinking.

>uses the corrupt practice of indulgences that were condemned by the Church as an argument against the Church
>applies failed argument to every single religion

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:As a Christian: we've all been saved as of the Crucifixion of Jesus.

Now we just need to learn to stop being cunts in order to enjoy it. God knows I try... sometimes.

I 100% agree. Being a Christian myself, we just have to use our heads and accept our gift, not push it away.

Hakons wrote:>uses the corrupt practice of indulgences that were condemned by the Church as an argument against the Church
>applies failed argument to every single religion

Wait, the indulgences were condemned by the church? I thought they were the ones doing it.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Hakons wrote:>uses the corrupt practice of indulgences that were condemned by the Church as an argument against the Church
>applies failed argument to every single religion

Wait, the indulgences were condemned by the church? I thought they were the ones doing it.

Corrupt clergy used them, yes. It is obviously an affront to Catholic teaching that one could purchase their way to salvation.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:As a Christian: we've all been saved as of the Crucifixion of Jesus.
.

So you think God/Jesus would condemn you just to turn around and die for you. Ok.

You seem to want to think that God can die.

This Bishop seems to think that you are taking an immoral path and I tend to agree with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKNup9gEBdg

Can you really see Jesus breaking the law he said he came to earth to fulfill. Laws like the following?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Do those laws seem more moral to you than your notion that there is justice in punishing the innocent?

Make your case.

Regards
DL

Olthar wrote:Yep. I'm condemned to Hell. I just can't stop looking at boobs.

Filthy heathen. Kidding.

Regards
DL

I make all the appropriate sacrifices to be spared the wrath of Sobek, Lord of Semen.

Page wrote:I don't believe in the notion of being saved or being condemned. We are what we are, we do good things, we do bad things, and they don't negate one another, there's no cosmic scoreboard. You are everything you've ever done and will do, it's all a part of you.

Being realistic is good.

Regards
DL

Catholic Britannia wrote:I believe that I am saved, but through the grace of God. I did not earn it. I did not deserve it.

I was condemned through my sins, but they were washed away with my baptism.

I still need help. Man, due to Original Sin, still has a fallen nature that stumbles from time to time. It's a struggle to stay in a state of grace. The good news is that God's love and forgiveness springs eternal. The Sacraments of Penance and Reconciliation are how you get back into that state of grace, so long as it's coupled with perfect contrition.

The effort to save me was done by my Lord, Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. My faith in Him and my good works are how I accept that salvation.

Just to reduce the duplication, please see my reply to Trollzyn the Infinite above.

I agree that the bible says that we are saved by the grace of God, so why would you even want to use Jesus as your scapegoat?

Scapegoating is not what you would teach your children so, being a Child of God, why would you think you heavenly father would teach you such a vile and immoral concept?

Regards
DL

I probably need it, but I ain't gonna get it.

Hakons wrote:

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Wait, the indulgences were condemned by the church? I thought they were the ones doing it.

Corrupt clergy used them, yes. It is obviously an affront to Catholic teaching that one could purchase their way to salvation.

And the Catholic Church banned the sale of indulgences in the 1560s.
The Church has also admitted many of its past practices and actions were wrong.
It has changed a lot since the 1500s.

It is completely disingenuous for the OP to claim what some corrupt priests did over 400 years ago reflects current Catholic doctrine, let alone the doctrine of all religions.

Ifreann wrote:I make all the appropriate sacrifices to be spared the wrath of Sobek, Lord of Semen.

Each day we are denying him his offerings of mummified crocodiles, but some of us shall survive.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
You can't show a video of 1 religion and put it on others. You have to explain why you think each religion and its adherents have poor thinking.

Rather easy to do, but ok.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... SPvnFDDQHk

Regards
DL

The extent of my 'saving' by Christians was being excommunicated because my great aunt has down syndrome and being condemned for my homosexuality and progressive ideals-both for society and the church. So I left entirely. I've found my new faith, and I'm glad that you've found yourself happy and cookie-cutter compatible to some degree with yours.

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:

Hakons wrote:>uses the corrupt practice of indulgences that were condemned by the Church as an argument against the Church
>applies failed argument to every single religion

Wait, the indulgences were condemned by the church? I thought they were the ones doing it.

The Church has condemned its own actions where these actions were wrong. There is nothing wrong with admitting you have done wrong. It is in fact the Christian thing to do.