Do you believe that you are saved or that you need saving?

[Xmara]

You do know that the Jews who wrote Genesis do not have an original sin concept as they say that Eden was where man was elevated and not where he fell. Right?

Further, Christians sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to God's plan, and if so, then Adam had to sin or God's plan would have derailed.

Care to speak to those two anomalies that refute your unjust Original sin concept?

Regards
DL

Are you going to explain how Al-Islam and Christianity are evil? This is my 3rd time asking you this.

Dude, it’s not worth it. You’re never gonna get a straightforward answer from him. You’re better off not engaging him at all.

[The Great I am]

Saved? No. Need to be saved? Fuck no. If anyGod exists that must save me, he hasn’t made a good case for it.

For sure, and that would apply to all of us.

Regards
DL

[Novus America]

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If you are going to just shift the goal posts to avoid any actual debate there is no point in debating you.

In philosophical circles, the definition of terms begins at the end of a discussion and not before it.

You are so hung up on words that you will not allow synonyms so are really poor at discussions.

You are correct in that there is no point in your ilk trying to debate or discuss with a brighter mind who can use synonyms.

Regards
DL

False equivalence =/= synonyms.
And you are not even debating, just making the same baseless claim, and refusing to actually defend you claim beyond base circular reasoning.

[Reploid Productions]

Trawl in progress, stand by.

No.
Get out of here,Genoic Christan!

Just screaming at someone to leave is spam at best, outright flamebait at worst. No one is forcing you to participate in the thread. No one is forcing you to even click on the link to the thread. Knock it off, if you aren't going to actually participate, then don't bother posting in it.

This is GnosticChristian. We're having fun with his illicit account while it still exists.

There is nothing illicit about his account. He was deleted, he was NOT completely banned from the site. Delete-On-Sight could happen in the future, but they are NOT Delete-On-Sight at this time.

This is the most weak and trivial philosophy of bad people. You question the morality of God because he did not buy you a pony for your birthday? If he treats people as disposible cattle, it is probably because you are. Nothing is owed to you, and there is nothing immoral about making you live in suffering just as there is nothing immoral about making pigs live in filth. It befits their nature, as does your eternal condemnation befit your own.

Your imagination is clearly limited.

This earth is just one part of hell, being ruled over by Natura, who is cruel at times but at least beautiful and offering decadence to those who choose the path of Strength. As far as failed intelligences in cold storage go, you should rejoice that the system administrator hasn't sold you to the hungry ones.

It is perfectly rational animal husbandry to make pigs live in filth, it's the most economical way to treat them.

Nice bundle of flaming and trolling there. *** Ascendatore, 1-day ban for flaming/trolling. ***

And last but certainly not the least:

Do you believe that you are saved or that you need saving?

Most religions claim that we have all been condemned by God for some reason or another, and that faith in a certain God or his revealed religion must be adhered to to gain salvation. Most religions say that you cannot save yourself without their help.

Have you been condemned? Was it a just condemnation? What evil did you do to gain that condemnation? Have you been saved from it by your own efforts of the efforts of someone else?
Could you not do it on your own and did you need to pay cash the way religions tell you is required?

I show the poor thinking of religions and their adherents with this Protestant against Catholic view, but as stated, this issue applies to all religions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668D_MeV1nY

Nationstates is not your blog to prosyltize your One Truth Bestest Beliefs on. This isn't a discussion, this is "I am right, because I am right and your beliefs are all wrong."

Filthy heathen. Kidding.

With your history, "lol j/k" doesn't make this not flaming.

Show the really poor exemptions to what I put or be seen as a fool.

Free thinkers like Gnostic Christians tend not to be good cookie cutter material. That is one of the benefits of my religion.

Do you see yourself as just a cookie cutter version of those in your new religion?

now can you deal with what I put, or is deflection your only apologetics?

Trying to give different names to clergy picking your pocket when they use so many different words for the same actions is you trying to get away from the truth. I may be disingenuous but I am not a hypocrite trying to deny reality.

You have no problem with a religion that is homophobic and misogynous and grew by inquisitions due to not having decent enough moral tenets to convert with. Ok.

Thanks for showing us your low moral standards.

Strange that you do not seem to mind people paying to be lied to.

if you have embraced the inquisitors religion you will of course look for any excuse to hide the truth. You are just like the lying clergy you follow.

Ah. Attacking the messenger while just ignoring the message.

You will make a fine Muslim apologist if you can ever learn how to formulate an argument.

You are so hung up on words that you will not allow synonyms so are really poor at discussions.

You are correct in that there is no point in your ilk trying to debate or discuss with a brighter mind who can use synonyms.

Still fond of the flaming, flamebaiting, and extremely backhanded comments that literally translate to calling people stupid/immoral/etc.

Christians admit to those evil actions, and should be forgiven to a point, perhaps, but that does not speak to their ongoing denigration and discrimination against gays and women with their vile homophobic and misogynous teachings.

The Jews have always been better at thinking than the other Abrahamic cults like Christianity and Islam.

Priests are perpetual liars and all intelligent moral people will ignore those liars and their religions out of hand.

Faith without facts is for fools.

Faith is describes as a belief in something not seen. Faith, IOW, is not wanting to know the truth.

If those with a spiritual problem turn to a faith like Christianity, with their genocidal son murdering God, I think they are not spiritual at all and that is their problem.

Spirituality embraces the good. There is no spirituality in a religion that honors genocide and infanticide.

A moral man.

Refreshing after speaking to so many Christians with satanic morals.

This is true when the condemnation has not been shown to be real and only expressed through lying clergy.

I will let you prove it for me with your own answer, if honest.

Which religions deserve respect? Those that grow through inquisitions, jihads and murder, or those who grew without?

The truth can hurt.

How many of the myriad of Christian cults are not homophobic and misogynous?

Yep, and what I put should shame the religious, but given the moral sense of most theists, they are oblivious to this fact.

which shows are better moral sense right from our beginnings.

And still all over the trolling Christians, Muslims, and anyone that isn't you.

I can when Islam and Christianity are of the same DNA and follow the same vile demiurge.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

Have we been here before? We've been here before. So we can add spamming to the list.

It is patently clear that you are not here to have any manner of constructive discussion with anyone, and that you are here to stand on a soapbox and scream at other players for the crime of not agreeing with your particular belief system. You constantly post outright flames and flamebait, or erudite slams that amount to calling your detractors stupid, morally inferior, and so on. You constantly post trolling toward entire groups of people who just happen to not share your exact flavor of mythological/philosophical belief. Nationstates is not a place to proselytize, and those who try to use it as such tend not to last long here.

If you don't want to ultimately wind up permanently banned from this site, you need to spend some serious time reviewing the site rules and adjust your posting mannerisms immediately. In the meantime, *** The Great I am, DEAT and 7-day forumban for flaming/flamebaiting/trolling/spamming. ***


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