2021 Israeli Elections IV: Now Without Netanyahu

[Fahran]

That's not the point there, though, is it? It's beautiful of you to try and hide the actual point behind a smokescreen: The point is, since you don't seem to get it, is that you seem to be expecting Israel to be held to different standards to other countries in the world, and are actually complaining that they get criticised for not adhering to such standards.

I actually hold the same standard on this particular issue. And, in most serious conflicts, other nations seem to assume that standard as well. The bombings in World War II provide a more visceral example than a blockade intended to prevent the importation of materials that could facilitate the manufacture of weapons. I have no issue with engaging in policies that may cause incidental harm to civilians to accomplish a fundamentally military or security goal so long as the point is not to deliberately target civilians and civilian needs are considered. The Palestinians in Gaza are having a bad time because their government is waging an unconventional war with a much stronger neighbor. Their lives'll get better when that stops.

I'm all for Israel and its existence, but this hypocrisy is not doing the Israeli case any favours.

Again, "you're oppressing us by not letting us import weapons to use against you" is not a convincing argument to anyone who isn't already sympathetic of the Palestinians politically. I'm critical of Israel's policies in the West Bank but I'm not going to ask them to pull punches in a way that I wouldn't ask others to when it comes down to their national security.

[Leninist Haven]

I'd support labor, with great reservations, as I'm deeply let down by Hadash and its overall coalition. I don't really like any of them, to be honest, but labor is the closest.

[Phoenicaea]

^people doesn t get hebrews nor selgiuchids. erdogan ethnic cleansing tyrant, netanyau apartheid path to make himself king. also europeans do same.

[Bear Stearns]

lol I found the Jewish version of Rhodesia. How long until the settlers do a UDI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Judea

Tbh, they should do it. It'd be hilarious.

[Fahran]

lol I found the Jewish version of Rhodesia. How long until the settlers do a UDI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Judea

Tbh, they should do it. It'd be hilarious.

Will we get cool music though?

[Gormwood]

lol I found the Jewish version of Rhodesia. How long until the settlers do a UDI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Judea

Tbh, they should do it. It'd be hilarious.

Will we get cool music though?

Likud of course will coddle them.

[Fahran]

Likud of course will coddle them.

Well, considering they're mostly Kahanists, that's unlikely.

[Bear Stearns]

lol I found the Jewish version of Rhodesia. How long until the settlers do a UDI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Judea

Tbh, they should do it. It'd be hilarious.

Will we get cool music though?

I'd imagine it'd be religious. The people who want this seem to promote it as a religious alternative to Israel, where they see Israel as a secular ethnostate so this country is to be a Jewish theocracy.

[Fahran]

I'd imagine it'd be religious. The people who want this seem to promote it as a religious alternative to Israel, where they see Israel as a secular ethnostate so this country is to be a Jewish theocracy.

Can we move the Russians to Israel and make Judea a Sephardic polity?

[Gormwood]

Likud of course will coddle them.

Well, considering they're mostly Kahanists, that's unlikely.

So what makes Kahane Chai different from the settlers? They both want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

[Fahran]

Well, considering they're mostly Kahanists, that's unlikely.

So what makes Kahane Chai different from the settlers? They both want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

Most settlers aren't affiliated with terrorist organizations or known principally for getting banned from the Israeli political scene for their egregious racism. I was trying to reference the fact that a lot of the people pushing for an independent Judea in the event of a withdrawal from the West Bank are Kahanists. Likud isn't too keen on that, whatever other faults they may have.

[Phoenicaea]

^i see hamas isn t civil people, and can t be treated as law abiding party. nevertheless all this mewulf of ‘terrorism’ is then disgusting.

[Tmutarakhan]

lol I found the Jewish version of Rhodesia. How long until the settlers do a UDI?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Judea

Tbh, they should do it. It'd be hilarious.

Are their leading parties the People's Front and the Popular Front?

[Shrillland]

Well, the Likud results are in, it wasn't even close. Netanyahu wins with 72% to Saar's 28%: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israels-embattled-netanyahu-wins-landslide-in-primary/ar-BBYlDjq

[Philjia]

Well, the Likud results are in, it wasn't even close. Netanyahu wins with 72% to Saar's 28%: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israels-embattled-netanyahu-wins-landslide-in-primary/ar-BBYlDjq

This will probably come back to bite them later, it's a question of whether it does so before or after the next election.

[Shrillland]

Well, the Likud results are in, it wasn't even close. Netanyahu wins with 72% to Saar's 28%: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israels-embattled-netanyahu-wins-landslide-in-primary/ar-BBYlDjq

This will probably come back to bite them later, it's a question of whether it does so before or after the next election.

Which next election? With Bibi still in charge of Likud, I can see at least five more elections at this point.

[Philjia]

This will probably come back to bite them later, it's a question of whether it does so before or after the next election.

Which next election? With Bibi still in charge of Likud, I can see at least five more elections at this point.

A conga line of elections dancing into the sunset.

[Novus America]

This will probably come back to bite them later, it's a question of whether it does so before or after the next election.

Which next election? With Bibi still in charge of Likud, I can see at least five more elections at this point.

Exactly. He cannot and will not willingly give up his position (as he needs it to protect him against the corruption charges). He will cling on as long as he can. And Gantz cannot get a majority, because of the nature of Israel’s electoral system and demographics.

So Israel is stuck, Bibi can just hang on by keeping the same game going indefinitely. As long as he can keep Gantz from forming a government he can stay in power.

[Shrillland]

In the meantime, because party alignments in Israel last about as long as the average episode of Steven Universe, the Democratic Union is collapsing into infighting after Meretz canceled its primary, and Stav Shaffir has defected from the Union and formed the Israeli Green Party last week: https://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-mk-shaffir-says-planning-to-run-independently-in-elections/

Whilst Jewish Home and Otzma Yehudit are running under a single banner, also last week: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Religious-Zionist-Bayt-Yehudit-and-far-right-Otzma-Yehudit-to-run-together-611563

[Zurkerx]

In the meantime, because party alignments in Israel last about as long as the average episode of Steven Universe, the Democratic Union is collapsing into infighting after Meretz canceled its primary, and Stav Shaffir has defected from the Union and formed the Israeli Green Party last week: https://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-mk-shaffir-says-planning-to-run-independently-in-elections/

Whilst Jewish Home and Otzma Yehudit are running under a single banner, also last week: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Religious-Zionist-Bayt-Yehudit-and-far-right-Otzma-Yehudit-to-run-together-611563

So more chaos? It seems by what I've read briefly that the Elections Commission lacks the funding to conduct a third election within a one year period.

[Shrillland]

In the meantime, because party alignments in Israel last about as long as the average episode of Steven Universe, the Democratic Union is collapsing into infighting after Meretz canceled its primary, and Stav Shaffir has defected from the Union and formed the Israeli Green Party last week: https://www.timesofisrael.com/left-wing-mk-shaffir-says-planning-to-run-independently-in-elections/

Whilst Jewish Home and Otzma Yehudit are running under a single banner, also last week: https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Religious-Zionist-Bayt-Yehudit-and-far-right-Otzma-Yehudit-to-run-together-611563

So more chaos? It seems by what I've read briefly that the Elections Commission lacks the funding to conduct a third election within a one year period.

That's also true, I think they'll some kind of emergency funding in January.

[Zurkerx]

So more chaos? It seems by what I've read briefly that the Elections Commission lacks the funding to conduct a third election within a one year period.

That's also true, I think they'll some kind of emergency funding in January.

Hopefully but as you have mentioned, as long as Bibi is in charge and the growing partisanship continues, there'll likely be more elections. It seems Bibi is playing the long game, hoping he can get a deal that would at least get him immunity from the charges while retaining power.

[Shrillland]

That's also true, I think they'll some kind of emergency funding in January.

Hopefully but as you have mentioned, as long as Bibi is in charge and the growing partisanship continues, there'll likely be more elections. It seems Bibi is playing the long game, hoping he can get a deal that would at least get him immunity from the charges while retaining power.

Well, as long as he's in power, he can't go to jail. The Basic Law says that a PM can only be removed in such circumstance once they're convicted and exhausted all of their appeals.

[Novus America]

Hopefully if this mess ever ends Israel will consider some serious electoral and political reform.

[Zurkerx]

Hopefully but as you have mentioned, as long as Bibi is in charge and the growing partisanship continues, there'll likely be more elections. It seems Bibi is playing the long game, hoping he can get a deal that would at least get him immunity from the charges while retaining power.

Well, as long as he's in power, he can't go to jail. The Basic Law says that a PM can only be removed in such circumstance once they're convicted and exhausted all of their appeals.

How many appeals does one have though? I feel that could be dragged out for years although I'm sure if one was convicted of such charges, leadership challenge would happen no doubt. Even if they did survive a leadership challenge, I feel the next election would see their party lose, unless of course, people don't care enough.

Hopefully if this mess ever ends Israel will consider some serious electoral and political reform.

Yeah, let's hope. This should be a huge eye opener.