2021 Israeli Elections IV: Now Without Netanyahu

[Shrillland]

Now, with the Knesset unable to form a government and Round 3 all but inevitable...BiBi's proposing that Israel restore the old system where PMs were chosen by popular vote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-calls-direct-vote-israel-205612204.html

[Swindenland]

I know this is unpopular opinion nowadays and that I am not an israeli, but I wish that in both Israel and Palestine some secular, liberal and egalitarian coalition would for once win the elections and finally stop Netanyahu's neoliberalism, Palestinian islamic extremisim and tribalism in its purest form.

I mean since there is no god, saying that Jesrusalem is special for any religion is highly irrational.

[Philjia]

Now, with the Knesset unable to form a government and Round 3 all but inevitable...BiBi's proposing that Israel restore the old system where PMs were chosen by popular vote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-calls-direct-vote-israel-205612204.html

Obviously this is a blatant ploy to cling to power by Netanyahu, but on the other hand the current electoral system isn't really working and yet another deadlocked parliament won't help anyone.

[Novus America]

Now, with the Knesset unable to form a government and Round 3 all but inevitable...BiBi's proposing that Israel restore the old system where PMs were chosen by popular vote: https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-calls-direct-vote-israel-205612204.html

Obviously this is a blatant ploy to cling to power by Netanyahu, but on the other hand the current electoral system isn't really working and yet another deadlocked parliament won't help anyone.

I agree. So I think they should have a election for PM BUT with a run off, NOT FPTP.

I bet Netanyahu would come in first in the first round but lose to Gantz in the runoff.

[Gorbehstan]

Kachol Lavan.

[Shrillland]

It's official...once it passes later today. Round Three will be on Monday, March 2. https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-lawmakers-table-bill-dissolve-175123241.html

[Outer Sparta]

It's official...once it passes later today. Round Three will be on Monday, March 2. https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-lawmakers-table-bill-dissolve-175123241.html

Buckle up, it's time for a third Israeli election in two years!

[Gim]

I support democracy in Israel.

[Outer Sparta]

I support democracy in Israel.

Currently it's in a state of limbo as Bibi wants to stay in power to get out of jail following corruption charges. Israel needs new leadership not under extremists like Bibi.

[Fahran]

I support democracy in Israel.

Currently it's in a state of limbo as Bibi wants to stay in power to get out of jail following corruption charges. Israel needs new leadership not under extremists like Bibi.

Bibi isn't really that extreme. He's hawkish on Palestine but all of his probable replacements will probably become hawkish on Palestine within a couple years if they remain in office. It's also not really the issue that's driving him from office.

[Outer Sparta]

Currently it's in a state of limbo as Bibi wants to stay in power to get out of jail following corruption charges. Israel needs new leadership not under extremists like Bibi.

Bibi isn't really that extreme. He's hawkish on Palestine but all of his probable replacements will probably become hawkish on Palestine within a couple years if they remain in office. It's also not really the issue that's driving him from office.

It's just corruption that's been driving him down, considering he's been indicted.

[Godborn Devildung]

Bibi's ought to go, honestly every politician here does. They all suck.

[Fahran]

Bibi isn't really that extreme. He's hawkish on Palestine but all of his probable replacements will probably become hawkish on Palestine within a couple years if they remain in office. It's also not really the issue that's driving him from office.

It's just corruption that's been driving him down, considering he's been indicted.

Personal corruption, income inequality, and internal social issues within Israel. Part of Kachol Lavan's appeal is that they have promised to address the lack of services and a lot of the quality of life issues plaguing poorer Israelis. Even still, I'm not certain how many of those lofty, nebulous promises they'll actually keep given the system that's in place.

[Major-Tom]

Another election? H-Holy shit, this is wild. Looking at the polls they're mirroring what they were in the months leading up to the last election. Buckle up, Israel.

[Phoenicaea]

I support democracy in Israel.

for this is not israel alone. in the undertow of arab spring (which all springs also had before), i feel all over mediterranean you have swamp and suffer.

you may be maghrebi or caucasic, muslims catholics orthodox and jews, in all cultures it has become tough for liberties and democracies.

[Shrillland]

The Likud primary is taking place: https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-faces-party-leadership-challenge-092300837.html

We'll have the results sometime Thursday night/Friday morning.

[Aureumterra]

Damn, another missile fired from Gaza

[Gormwood]

Damn, another missile fired from Gaza

Hamas bottle rockets have killed maybe a handful of people or two in decades on a good day for Hamas.

[Fahran]

Damn, another missile fired from Gaza

Hamas bottle rockets have killed maybe a handful of people or two in decades on a good day for Hamas.

About two dozen people have been killed by rocket strikes from Gaza since 2000 but the they have inflicted substantial psychological trauma on Israeli civilians. In any case, the suppression of militants and the blockade in Gaza are more than justified from a national security perspective. It's also misleading to downplay the sophistication of Hamas's weaponry. Since 2012, they've used more advanced rockets, some acquired from Iran. These include Katyushas and Fajr-5's. Those aren't "bottle rockets."

[Gormwood]

Hamas bottle rockets have killed maybe a handful of people or two in decades on a good day for Hamas.

About two dozen people have been killed by rocket strikes from Gaza since 2000 but the they have inflicted substantial psychological trauma on Israeli civilians. In any case, the suppression of militants and the blockade in Gaza are more than justified from a national security perspective.

If by "militants" you mean "any and all Palestinians living in Gaza".

[Fahran]

If by "militants" you mean "any and all Palestinians living in Gaza".

Policies intended to suppress militant activity do affect civilians in this case, a fact exacerbated by the reluctance of Hamas to pursue conventional warfare. But the expectation that Israel should allow hostile forces to operate with impunity for the sake of a population that, in many cases, outright sympathizes with said hostile forces is silly.

[Vistulange]

If by "militants" you mean "any and all Palestinians living in Gaza".

Policies intended to suppress militant activity do affect civilians in this case, a fact exacerbated by the reluctance of Hamas to pursue conventional warfare. But the expectation that Israel should allow hostile forces to operate with impunity for the sake of a population that, in many cases, outright sympathizes with said hostile forces is silly.

Practically everybody else in the world is expected to make a distinction between "combatant" and "non-combatant". Had this been the thread regarding the Turkish operation into northern Syria, the excuse of "...a population that in many cases outright sympathises with hostile forces" would not fly, rightfully so, because it's blatantly nonsense.

So, why does Israel get a free pass?

[Gormwood]

Policies intended to suppress militant activity do affect civilians in this case, a fact exacerbated by the reluctance of Hamas to pursue conventional warfare. But the expectation that Israel should allow hostile forces to operate with impunity for the sake of a population that, in many cases, outright sympathizes with said hostile forces is silly.

Practically everybody else in the world is expected to make a distinction between "combatant" and "non-combatant". Had this been the thread regarding the Turkish operation into northern Syria, the excuse of "...a population that in many cases outright sympathises with hostile forces" would not fly, rightfully so, because it's blatantly nonsense.

So, why does Israel get a free pass?

People scared of being called Jew gassers.

[Fahran]

Practically everybody else in the world is expected to make a distinction between "combatant" and "non-combatant". Had this been the thread regarding the Turkish operation into northern Syria, the excuse of "...a population that in many cases outright sympathises with hostile forces" would not fly, rightfully so, because it's blatantly nonsense.

Turkey is actively engaging in what amounts to ethnic cleansing in Rojava and has imprisoned tens of thousands of Kurdish civilians employed as teachers, journalists, and activists with flimsy justifications. In all frankness, the blockade is quite a bit more tame by comparison and yields demonstrable results when it comes to minimizing Hamas's ability to engage in rocket strikes. Erdogan's policies seem to have simply reignited an old conflict.

So, why does Israel get a free pass?

Well, they don't. They actually get criticized a lot more even when doing comparatively less.

[Vistulange]

Practically everybody else in the world is expected to make a distinction between "combatant" and "non-combatant". Had this been the thread regarding the Turkish operation into northern Syria, the excuse of "...a population that in many cases outright sympathises with hostile forces" would not fly, rightfully so, because it's blatantly nonsense.

Turkey is actively engaging in what amounts to ethnic cleansing in Rojava and has imprisoned tens of thousands of Kurdish civilians employed as teachers, journalists, and activists with flimsy justifications. In all frankness, the blockade is quite a bit more tame by comparison and yields demonstrable results when it comes to minimizing Hamas's ability to engage in rocket strikes. Erdogan's policies seem to have simply reignited an old conflict.

So, why does Israel get a free pass?

Well, they don't. They actually get criticized a lot more even when doing comparatively less.

That's not the point there, though, is it? It's beautiful of you to try and hide the actual point behind a smokescreen: The point is, since you don't seem to get it, is that you seem to be expecting Israel to be held to different standards to other countries in the world, and are actually complaining that they get criticised for not adhering to such standards.

I'm all for Israel and its existence, but this hypocrisy is not doing the Israeli case any favours.