2021 Israeli Elections IV: Now Without Netanyahu

[Rojava Free State]

How would Israelis react if the US decided to treat Israel like a normal foreign power: with an healthy amount of suspicion and caution.

Israel would have a spaz attack if we took their privilege away. I can here the screaming right now. Every member of the knesset just going "REEEEE" upon hearing that America was done giving them foreign aid or weapons. Screaming upon hearing that we had left the middle east forever.

[Outer Sparta]

Netanyahu gives up his mandate to form government to President Rivlin, who will then give Gantz the mandate within three days.

happy birthday Bibi

Netanyahu is definitely in a corner now. Unable to form a government, which would be his get out of jail card, he's in dire political straits now.

[Northwest Slobovia]

How would Israelis react if the US decided to treat Israel like a normal foreign power: with an healthy amount of suspicion and caution.

Presumably like most NATO countries did, and like most of the rest of our allies would: they'd freak out for a bit, and then come to terms with it, while hoping for a change in policy.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Netanyahu gives up his mandate to form government to President Rivlin, who will then give Gantz the mandate within three days.

happy birthday Bibi

Netanyahu is definitely in a corner now. Unable to form a government, which would be his get out of jail card, he's in dire political straits now.

We should be so lucky.

I doubt Gantz will do anything until Mandelblit decides whether or not to indict Bibi. If Bibi's indicted, sure, he's dead meat, since I'll bet there are plenty of Likudniks who would rather be part of the government -- and maybe be ministers! -- than to worry about loyalty to Netanyahu.

[Outer Sparta]

Netanyahu is definitely in a corner now. Unable to form a government, which would be his get out of jail card, he's in dire political straits now.

We should be so lucky.

I doubt Gantz will do anything until Mandelblit decides whether or not to indict Bibi. If Bibi's indicted, sure, he's dead meat, since I'll bet there are plenty of Likudniks who would rather be part of the government -- and maybe be ministers! -- than to worry about loyalty to Netanyahu.

The traditional coalition route for both Bibi and Gantz is blocked due to Avigdor Lieberman. All depends on what other Likuds do with Netanyahu and whether they are willing to pool resources to join under Gantz.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Sad to see Prime Minister Bibi Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel was not able to form a government.

Is their any chance of another election in Israel lol?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Well that is some good news.

[North German Realm]

Bibi's not actually forming the next Israeli government? Well I must admit, if this doesn't end in 2020: Third Time's The Charm, it'll be the end of an era, especially for Israeli politics.

[Audioslavia]

Israel would have a spaz attack if we took their privilege away. I can here the screaming right now. Every member of the knesset just going "REEEEE" upon hearing that America was done giving them foreign aid or weapons. Screaming upon hearing that we had left the middle east forever.

Emphasis mine.

While we advise against people shouting 'REEE' at people on here, we don't treat it as trolling unless it's clear that the intent is to troll. Including the phrase 'would have a spaz attack' makes this pretty cut and dry. Plus, there's your colourful ban history to consider as well.

*** Three week ban for trolling ***

Do better.

[Blargoblarg]

With Netanyahu unable to form a government, maybe Israel will finally move away from being governed by the right-wing.

[Major-Tom]

Gantz being able to form a government? Oh, bless up, we love to see it folks!

[Menassa]

Imagine not having a parliamentary system of government.

[Aureumterra]

With Netanyahu unable to form a government, maybe Israel will finally move away from being governed by the right-wing.

Do you really think that?

[Blargoblarg]

With Netanyahu unable to form a government, maybe Israel will finally move away from being governed by the right-wing.

Do you really think that?

I'm not sure if it'll happen, hence why I said maybe, but I'd like to hope it'll happen.

[Outer Sparta]

Do you really think that?

I'm not sure if it'll happen, hence why I said maybe, but I'd like to hope it'll happen.

Blue and White is merely in the center, and Israeli politics usually has a skew towards the right.

[Aureumterra]

Do you really think that?

I'm not sure if it'll happen, hence why I said maybe, but I'd like to hope it'll happen.

Israel is more right wing than Europe, hell, it’s more Right than America. It’s political frame is comparable to that of the third world than a Western democracy, the chance of what a Western liberal would consider “left” party coming to power is nonexistent at this point in time

[Shrillland]

It might happen again...https://www.yahoo.com/news/israels-gantz-races-form-government-103435036.html

And all because Lieberman refuses to budge.

[Phoenicaea]

^seems quite italian drift, yet lesser clotted mafia, lesser prestige president.

[Fahran]

I'm not sure if it'll happen, hence why I said maybe, but I'd like to hope it'll happen.

Israel is more right wing than Europe, hell, it’s more Right than America. It’s political frame is comparable to that of the third world than a Western democracy, the chance of what a Western liberal would consider “left” party coming to power is nonexistent at this point in time

It's not especially surprising that a century of intermittent conflict would yield a slew of right-wing governments. Israel was pretty left-wing when it was initially founded and Labor Zionism still had some degree of clout even in the nineties even if it was effectively hamstrung after Begin to my knowledge.

[Phoenicaea]

^argument said hypothesis, can see it. yet i give no more much credit. as a frame, i believe richness brings laziness to people, hence nationalist parties.

[Shrillland]

Lieberman has officially refused to endorse....this means Round 3 in early March: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-faces-likely-third-election-064720363.html

Three general elections in a year. Arguably, Likud's never had it so good now that the settlements have been declared legal by the US, yet no government can form.

[Fahran]

^argument said hypothesis, can see it. yet i give no more much credit. as a frame, i believe richness brings laziness to people, hence nationalist parties.

Nationalism is not really a symptom of laziness or indulgence. It's something that often occurs in populations that experience severe internal or, especally, external pressures. Israel has been under assault by an easily identifiable other for close to a century and, when we discuss the disapora, has been under assault by dozens of easily identifiable others for close to two millennium. It's not really surprising that, when coupled with the decline in popularity of socialism, this has led to intense nationalism. It's really one of the few viable defenses the country has.

[Fahran]

Lieberman has officially refused to endorse....this means Round 3 in early March: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-faces-likely-third-election-064720363.html

Three general elections in a year. Arguably, Likud's never had it so good now that the settlements have been declared legal by the US, yet no government can form.

Largely because Bibi is laughably corrupt and Likud hasn't addressed a lot of the internal social issues that Israelis want addressed. I imagine Likud would cobble together a coalition if they could oust and replace Bibi.

[Shrillland]

Lieberman has officially refused to endorse....this means Round 3 in early March: https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-faces-likely-third-election-064720363.html

Three general elections in a year. Arguably, Likud's never had it so good now that the settlements have been declared legal by the US, yet no government can form.

Largely because Bibi is laughably corrupt and Likud hasn't addressed a lot of the internal social issues that Israelis want addressed. I imagine Likud would cobble together a coalition if they could oust and replace Bibi.

That's what we all thought in September, but they wouldn't do it. This whole mess is on him, and he refuses to accept that he's the problem.

[Fahran]

Largely because Bibi is laughably corrupt and Likud hasn't addressed a lot of the internal social issues that Israelis want addressed. I imagine Likud would cobble together a coalition if they could oust and replace Bibi.

That's what we all thought in September, but they wouldn't do it. This whole mess is on him, and he refuses to accept that he's the problem.

Well, accepting that he's the problem might well mean going to prison, so...