2021 Israeli Elections IV: Now Without Netanyahu

[Philjia]

Yuli Edelstein says Likud will stick behind Netenyahu.

[Shrillland]

Then we are, again, at an impasse. Enjoy technocratic government.

[Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum]

Meretz how many votes ?

[Visionary Union]

Meretz how many votes ?

5 seats, according to the polls. And right now they're under the name of the "Democratic Union".

[Forumland]

Exit polls are out!

Channel 11: 64-56 opposition
Channel 12: 63-57 opposition
Channel 13: 66-54 opposition

Here's the official results page. Enjoy the ride

It is needed to acknowledge that Liberman have 10 seats in the first case, and 8 in the other cases. He is a wild card, claiming that he refuse to take part in any government but unity coalition of both largest parties.

yeah I was very hasty. sorry

Channel 13 updated their exit poll and it just keeps getting worse for the right. They’re at 53 seats now, with the left at 59 and Lieberman at 8

it also shows the Joint List at 15, which should be the highest representation for Arab parties ever

[Angleter]

Bloody hell. Joint List now projected to get 15 (!!!) seats.

Netanyahu was suggesting that this might be the case earlier today, but I think virtually everyone wrote it off as scaremongering to get right-wing voters to turn out. Not sure even Netanyahu believed it.

[San Lumen]

And these results show the problem with single district PR. Its very difficult if not impossible for any one party to get a majority and forming coalitions can be very hard too. I wonder if a stable coalition can be formed or Israel will have another election next year.

[Kubra]

Children should be taught that they'll be sent to tartarus if they are wicked to experience ironic punishments and existential angst

[Shrillland]

And these results show the problem with single district PR. Its very difficult if not impossible for any one party to get a majority and forming coalitions can be very hard too. I wonder if a stable coalition can be formed or Israel will have another election next year.

That's not the only reason. Israeli politics is a tangled rat's nest of intrigues led by political literalists who won't hesitate to break the government up if they can't get their pet cause voted on. Remember how this whole mess started, for example.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Channel 13 updated their exit poll and it just keeps getting worse for the right. They’re at 53 seats now, with the left at 59 and Lieberman at 8

it also shows the Joint List at 15, which should be the highest representation for Arab parties ever

This looks more and more interesting. It does make me wonder if Gantz will bring them into the government. That would change Middle East politics like we haven't seen since the Camp David Accords, signed 41 years ago today.

[Thermodolia]

It is needed to acknowledge that Liberman have 10 seats in the first case, and 8 in the other cases. He is a wild card, claiming that he refuse to take part in any government but unity coalition of both largest parties.

yeah I was very hasty. sorry

Channel 13 updated their exit poll and it just keeps getting worse for the right. They’re at 53 seats now, with the left at 59 and Lieberman at 8

it also shows the Joint List at 15, which should be the highest representation for Arab parties ever

I have a feeling that Gantz is going to walk back his comments about not allowing Joint List in government

[Thermodolia]

And these results show the problem with single district PR. Its very difficult if not impossible for any one party to get a majority and forming coalitions can be very hard too. I wonder if a stable coalition can be formed or Israel will have another election next year.

And yet the single district system works fine in many other nations like the Netherlands. Maybe it’s just Israeli politics and not the voting system?

[Dresderstan]

And these results show the problem with single district PR. Its very difficult if not impossible for any one party to get a majority and forming coalitions can be very hard too. I wonder if a stable coalition can be formed or Israel will have another election next year.

If your entire argument against PR is "Well look at Israel" That's one country, there are many stable countries with PR or PR style systems in place. Germany is a prime example.

[Thermodolia]

And these results show the problem with single district PR. Its very difficult if not impossible for any one party to get a majority and forming coalitions can be very hard too. I wonder if a stable coalition can be formed or Israel will have another election next year.

If your entire argument against PR is "Well look at Israel" That's one country, there are many stable countries with PR or PR style systems in place. Germany is a prime example.

Germany uses MMP. A better example is the Netherlands or Sweden

[Bear Stearns]

Does Israel have any anti-American/pro-Russia parties? I hope they win and then they can be Russia's problem.

[Nakena]

Does Israel have any anti-American/pro-Russia parties? I hope they win and then they can be Russia's problem.

Yisrael Beiteinu perhaps?

[Major-Tom]

If your entire argument against PR is "Well look at Israel" That's one country, there are many stable countries with PR or PR style systems in place. Germany is a prime example.

Germany uses MMP. A better example is the Netherlands or Sweden

And despite the recent instability politically in Israel, it's a small price to pay for actually having a proportional legislature. At least everyone has a voice, unlike in a FPTP system.

[Visionary Union]

Does Israel have any anti-American/pro-Russia parties? I hope they win and then they can be Russia's problem.

Yisrael Beiteinu perhaps?

No party in Israel is anti American. Or highly in favor of Russia.

[Forumland]

Channel 12 leaked a set of unofficial results showing the right at 56, the left at 55, and Lieberman at 9. Apparently the CEC’s trying to make sure the count is as accurate as possible before publishing results

[Philjia]

Now, I'm not an expert on this so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but if these exit polls are about right Israel's headed for deadlock again, because none of the most likely ways a government could be formed actually look likely to happen. If Gantz has already rejected a coalition with the Joint List, a Kaḥol Lavan led coalition of centre to left parties can't happen. Likewise, it seems highly improbable that Netenyahu could convince Yisrael Beiteinu to play nicely with Likud's usual religious conservative allies. This leaves the option of a government of national unity, but since Gantz and Netenyahu have both vowed to be the Prime Minister and almost certainly won't back down on that, I can't see it being anything other than a none starter. On the other hand, having yet another election seems just plain silly. So, now what?

[Angleter]

Here's the official results as they come in. And this Twitter account converts them into seats.

Current standings are:

Kachol Lavan 32
Likud 31
Joint List 13
Shas 9
Yisrael Beiteinu 9
UTJ 8
Yamina 7
Labor-Gesher 6
Democratic Union 5

[Philjia]

Here's the official results as they come in. And this Twitter account converts them into seats.

Is Google's translation of "מחל" (Likud's list marking) as "disease" accurate?

[Phoenicaea]

^perhaps i get fault. it seems the matter is regengy drift, people have to oust him or submit.

[The Shining Purple Light]

Here's the official results as they come in. And this Twitter account converts them into seats.

Is Google's translation of "מחל" (Likud's list marking) as "disease" accurate?

No it isn't, the election letters for Likud "מחל" (mem-het-lamed), comes from Likud's past constituent parties, mem (מ) as a prefix denoting "of," het (ח) for Herut, and lamed (ל) for the Liberal Party.

[Angleter]

Here's the official results as they come in. And this Twitter account converts them into seats.

Is Google's translation of "מחל" (Likud's list marking) as "disease" accurate?

Don't think so. If you put 'disease' into Google Translate it comes out with 'מחלה' or 'machalah', whereas 'מחל' is 'machal'.