La Crisis Venezolana: The Crisis in Venezuela

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Lol, no. Guaido is the constituional leader of Venezuela according to the constitution. Maduro is not more than an usurper.

Lol, the eternal Chavista Bolivarian Revolutionary Republic of Venezuela, doesn't care about the constitution and democratic multi political party elections, as Maduro once said, when will they learn the Revolution is here to stay.

We're still seeing loads of socialists taking his side, against another socialist i might add. It's really fucking odd given that they've stopped recognizing Venezuela as socialist since the economic collapsed. You'd think if a regime stopped being answerable to the people and failed to implement socialism they wouldn't support it, especially when it's committing human right violations to avoid ceding power to a socialist with an actual legal mandate.

And those socialists should not support Maduro, Fidel, Raúl, Diaz-Canel, China, North Korea, Vietnam, and the former Russian Eastern European communist nation empire, because they have never practiced true democratic, communist, socialism as they support, and live rich capitalists, but many of them still support them, lol, but like I always say, that is their democratic right to do so and their democratic right to post it, from the nations they live in and are posting from.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1151276

Flight 455

Operation Northwoods

[-Ocelot-]

the regime seeks for genocide, not different from in Syria.

Many similarities between the 2. It's like Syria repeating itself.

Both Maduro and Assad are being kept in power by Russia.

Both dictators have no problem killing their own and leveling everything to the ground to stay in power.

Both countries have created a big refugee crisis and an irreversible economic crisis for their countries.

All that remains is a full-scale civil war with Maduro killing his own people until everyone is up in arms against him and we'll have Syria 2.0.

[Inkopolitia]

Lol, no. Guaido is the constituional leader of Venezuela according to the constitution. Maduro is not more than an usurper.

No, he is not. You obviously have zero clue as to how the Venezuelan constitution works.

The position has to be vacated for the president of the National Assembly to assume leadership of the country and that must be done with a 30-day time period. 30 days have passed and Maduro has not vacated the position. Therefore, Maduro is the legitimate President of Venezuela.

I can't understand the crazy mental gymnastics to claim that the man in the street is the President. It's almost dystopian.

You're the one who doesn't know here.
The 233rd article of the Constitution of Venezuela states that the leader of the National Assembly takes the leadership of the country once the status of president becomes vacant. The National Assembly declared Maduro an usurper due to the 2018 elections being a simple power grab (And being rigged). Mind you that Maduro himself attacked the National Assembly because they tried to interfere with Maduro's plans. Not to mention that the elective body of Venezuela (The JNE) is as biased to Maduro as it can get

[The Rich Port]

joke?

Most definitely not!

No joke indeed. We need to stop the Canadian Socialist Empire before it overruns the entire galaxy.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Duterte is the legitimate leader. If he gets Venezuela, he might be in range to nuke Canada.

I'm sorry, but Venezuela rightfully belongs to Best Korea and Glorious Leader, just like the rest of Earth

[LiberNovusAmericae]

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I love seeing some Maduro bootlicking. How's your utopia in Venezuela going?

[West Leas Oros 2]

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I love seeing some Maduro bootlicking. How's your utopia in Venezuela going?

Imagine thinking that opposing american coups that will fuck over a country for years to come is "maduro bootlicking"

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I love seeing some Maduro bootlicking. How's your utopia in Venezuela going?

Imagine thinking that opposing american coups that will fuck over a country for years to come is "maduro bootlicking"

The person who fucked the country is Maduro, not the democratic opposition.

[The Rich Port]

Sad to say but, yeah, just because Trump supports Duterte, doesn't mean Duterte is automatically illegitimate. Not sad to say, but anything with Trump's name attached to it is already bad branding and evokes images of a creepy orange man stealing people's money and devaluing democracy.

Duterte is legit, despite Trump, not because of Trump.

The Maduro regime is overwhelmingly unpopular and stayed in power because of unconstitutional gymnastics.

[Terricon]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere. As we've learned in the last 20 years, knocking an autocrat out of power doesn't make a crisis end. I am also skeptical of any legitimacy Guaido holds considering he didn't even participate in the last election. If the elections were a sham, and Henri Falcón was the actual winner, I could at least see some basis in him claiming to be the real winner. By all means, call me a Maduro bootlicker too and keep pushing for the collapse of his pinko regime. Guaranteed, you will be the same people a year from now up in arms about all the migrants that will be pouring into the states.

[The Rich Port]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere. As we've learned in the last 20 years, knocking an autocrat out of power doesn't make a crisis end. I am also skeptical of any legitimacy Guaido holds considering he didn't even participate in the last election. If the elections were a sham, and Henri Falcón was the actual winner, I could at least see some basis in him claiming to be the real winner. By all means, call me a Maduro bootlicker too and keep pushing for the collapse of his pinko regime. Guaranteed, you will be the same people a year from now up in arms about all the migrants that will be pouring into the states.

... Eliminating why people are seeking refugee status in the first place isn't a solution to the refugee situation?

I'm not at all against refugees seeking asylum in the U.S., or for a less restrictive border, for that matter. Also, I think my position on Trump is well-established.

Besides, I say let Trump screw himself over... Again. It's not like it's gonna matter to his fan club.

[Saiwania]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere.

We have too many economic refugees as it is, with Maduro in charge. So its only a win-win in my mind if he gets replaced with someone who allows for capitalism.

[Ubekibekibekibekistanstan]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere.

We have too many economic refugees as it is, with Maduro in charge. So its only a win-win in my mind if he gets replaced with someone who allows for capitalism.

I don't think this is so much a socialism vs. capitalism thing as it is just plain economic mismanagement and undemocraticness.

[The Rich Port]

We have too many economic refugees as it is, with Maduro in charge. So its only a win-win in my mind if he gets replaced with someone who allows for capitalism.

I don't think this is so much a socialism vs. capitalism thing as it is just plain economic mismanagement and undemocraticness.

Eeyup.

Such a shame that Trump is Duterte's only ally, though.

That's like having Vichy France as an ally in World War 2.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere. As we've learned in the last 20 years, knocking an autocrat out of power doesn't make a crisis end. I am also skeptical of any legitimacy Guaido holds considering he didn't even participate in the last election. If the elections were a sham, and Henri Falcón was the actual winner, I could at least see some basis in him claiming to be the real winner. By all means, call me a Maduro bootlicker too and keep pushing for the collapse of his pinko regime. Guaranteed, you will be the same people a year from now up in arms about all the migrants that will be pouring into the states.

lol: Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere. Since the eternal Chavista Bolivarian Revolution their have been over 3,700,000 Venezuelan exiles all over the world, at least a million in Colombia.

: If the elections were a sham, and Henri Falcón was the actual winner, I could at least see some basis in him claiming to be the real winner. Here I agree with you.

Actually former Political Prisoner Leopoldo López, freed during the attack on the Military base can claim that tittle too.

: By all means, call me a Maduro bootlicker too and keep pushing for the collapse of his pinko regime. Guaranteed, you will be the same people a year from now up in arms about all the migrants that will be pouring into the states.

lol, while before the eternal Chavista Bolivarian revolution their has always been Venezuelan migrants, it does not compare to the 3,700,000 Venezuelan migrants since the revolution, the same can said of Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea and almost all Pinko regimes as you call them, I call them communist socialist regimes, that have never actually practiced true democratic, communist, socialist democracy, and so don't deserve the support and excuses of those who support them, but like I always say that is their democratic right to do so and their democratic right to post it, from the capitalist democratic style nations they live in and are posting from.

[Novus America]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere. As we've learned in the last 20 years, knocking an autocrat out of power doesn't make a crisis end. I am also skeptical of any legitimacy Guaido holds considering he didn't even participate in the last election. If the elections were a sham, and Henri Falcón was the actual winner, I could at least see some basis in him claiming to be the real winner. By all means, call me a Maduro bootlicker too and keep pushing for the collapse of his pinko regime. Guaranteed, you will be the same people a year from now up in arms about all the migrants that will be pouring into the states.

You do realize Maduro has already caused a massive refugee crisis and that keeping Maduro in power continues that refugee crisis, right?

[Yusseria]

How many more military vehicles need to plow into protestors before all the Code Pink socialist types finally admit that Maduro may not be a good guy?

[Senkaku]

I love seeing some Maduro bootlicking. How's your utopia in Venezuela going?

Imagine thinking that opposing american coups that will fuck over a country for years to come is "maduro bootlicking"

Imagine thinking what's going on in Venezuela is an "American coup" lmfao

How many more military vehicles need to plow into protestors before all the Code Pink socialist types finally admit that Maduro may not be a good guy?

probably a lot

[Saiwania]

I don't think this is so much a socialism vs. capitalism thing as it is just plain economic mismanagement and undemocraticness.

Venezuela can be authoritarian and still find tons of economic success if they could successfully implement the Chinese model. China is becoming the largest and richest economy in the world because they're run by such brilliant people.

[Thermodolia]

How many more military vehicles need to plow into protestors before all the Code Pink socialist types finally admit that Maduro may not be a good guy?

Maduro is piece of shit. I’ve seen a few socialists on this forum condemn him

[Novus America]

I don't think this is so much a socialism vs. capitalism thing as it is just plain economic mismanagement and undemocraticness.

Venezuela can be authoritarian and still find tons of economic success if they could successfully implement the Chinese model. China is becoming the largest and richest economy in the world because they're run by such brilliant people.

Largest? Yes. Richest? Absolutely not.
China still has a pretty low GDP per capita.
Just an insane number of people.

[Ubekibekibekibekistanstan]

I don't think this is so much a socialism vs. capitalism thing as it is just plain economic mismanagement and undemocraticness.

Venezuela can be authoritarian and still find tons of economic success if they could successfully implement the Chinese model. China is becoming the largest and richest economy in the world because they're run by such brilliant people.

They could do that in theory, but Maduro & company could barely admit there’s a problem with how they’ve run things. It doesn’t honestly sound like they’re prepared to do anything substantive to make changes at this point, so I think he should step aside and let some other socialist run in a more legitimate election.

[Saiwania]

Largest? Yes. Richest? Absolutely not. China still has a pretty low GDP per capita. Just a insane number of people.

It might not literally be the case now, but there is plenty of reason to believe that the trajectory is for China to become the richest and most powerful in the world. The US is estimated to lose #1 status to China in a decade or less. China appears to be a winner to the dismay of Japan and South Korea among others in the region. Too many people purchased Chinese products until China became too rich and powerful to where it can't be undone unless China itself makes bad decisions for too long.

[Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores]

No, he is not. You obviously have zero clue as to how the Venezuelan constitution works.

The position has to be vacated for the president of the National Assembly to assume leadership of the country and that must be done with a 30-day time period. 30 days have passed and Maduro has not vacated the position. Therefore, Maduro is the legitimate President of Venezuela.

I can't understand the crazy mental gymnastics to claim that the man in the street is the President. It's almost dystopian.

You're the one who doesn't know here.
The 233rd article of the Constitution of Venezuela states that the leader of the National Assembly takes the leadership of the country once the status of president becomes vacant. The National Assembly declared Maduro an usurper due to the 2018 elections being a simple power grab (And being rigged). Mind you that Maduro himself attacked the National Assembly because they tried to interfere with Maduro's plans. Not to mention that the elective body of Venezuela (The JNE) is as biased to Maduro as it can get

Whatever the Venezuelan constitution and the new democratic (gulp) Cuban constitution say, the eternal Venezuelan and Cuban revolutions will do whatever they want to do, not what the constitution says, like Maduro once said, when are they going to learn the revolution is here to stay.

[Rio Cana]

Reminder that intervention in Venezuela will only worsen the migrant situation in the Western Hemisphere. As we've learned in the last 20 years, knocking an autocrat out of power doesn't make a crisis end. I am also skeptical of any legitimacy Guaido holds considering he didn't even participate in the last election. If the elections were a sham, and Henri Falcón was the actual winner, I could at least see some basis in him claiming to be the real winner. By all means, call me a Maduro bootlicker too and keep pushing for the collapse of his pinko regime. Guaranteed, you will be the same people a year from now up in arms about all the migrants that will be pouring into the states.

You do know the US leadership does not want any migration from Latin America. And they have not been letting in any Venezuelans. They have actually deported some of them.

Read - https://prospect.org/article/trump-toug ... zuelans-us

You want to know what is actually happening then you need to see the following short videos which explains it. Seems its all about oil. If Ven. had no oil then then we would most likely not be talking about the crisis in Venezuela. Just think about it. Honduras also has a crisis. Its been ruled forever by oligarchies which do not care for its citizens. There were even clashes the other day but not very much attention is paid to them. Could it be because they have no oil. The international community wants democracy in Ven. but hardly mentions democracy in Honduras. A nation which desperately needs it.

The video which was posted one day ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsx1L6moDG8

Then watch this video which was posted minutes ago - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hbz5saaPdI