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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:53 pm



> millennial
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> "opposition terrorists"

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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:02 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:


> millennial
> body modifications
> stupid haircut
> "opposition terrorists"

I found one of the moderators of /r/chapotraphouse: because if you're not them, you're a goddamn Nazi.

r/chapotraphouse is the best subreddit, so that's hardly a proper ad hom
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:32 pm

Liriena wrote:r/chapotraphouse is the best subreddit, so that's hardly a proper ad hom


tfw people lose their shit over Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez not pledging allegiance to Nicolas Maduro.
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Postby Inkopolita » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:44 pm

Most commies in this thread are hulariously ignoran it baffles me that someone can be so light-headed just to oppose "muh US imperialism" while being in favor of an Authoritarian dictatorship that has thrown legitimate elections under the bus (precisely, the one they got their asses kicked in) and to nullify it because they disagreed with them. I could go on and on about the human rights violations Maduro has commited, but arguing against a NS communist is arguing against a brick wall, basically.
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Postby Inkopolita » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:57 pm

Orostan wrote:
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If they were anti-imperialist they'd oppose the very same Stalinism that they openly support.

I don’t like China. I don’t like Russia either. I oppose their imperialism just as much as I oppose American imperialism. But today they are on the right side, if only for their own objectives.

You are the physical embodiment of hypocrisy.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:10 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Liriena wrote:r/chapotraphouse is the best subreddit, so that's hardly a proper ad hom


tfw people lose their shit over Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez not pledging allegiance to Nicolas Maduro.

>searches on CTH
fgoly shit my dude you're right, they've jumped on the "Maduro good Guaido bad" train with an unhealthy amount of glee.

What's amusing is, a post from 7 months ago explaining why Maduro is not in fact a good or legitimate leader had a comment saying "people here generally don't support Maduro"...
Either they were wrong then, or things changed because muh imperialists.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:11 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Liriena wrote:r/chapotraphouse is the best subreddit, so that's hardly a proper ad hom


tfw people lose their shit over Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez not pledging allegiance to Nicolas Maduro.

Last I checked, they're disowning her for kind of agreeing with the idea that Ilhan Omar was anti-semitic.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:24 pm

Liriena wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
tfw people lose their shit over Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez not pledging allegiance to Nicolas Maduro.

Last I checked, they're disowning her for kind of agreeing with the idea that Ilhan Omar was anti-semitic.

If you search "Maduro" and set it to "top" you can find a good lot of pro-Maduro (or, at least, anti-any change in regime whatsoever) seriousposts (and some shitposts too).

Including one titled "The United States is going to either directly or indirectly invade Venezuela (via Bolsonaro). Upvote to send comrade Maduro and the democratically elected government of the PSUV your energy!" and has a positive rating of 204 with 84% upvotes... while much of this is probably ironic, there's seriousness in the comments. Including from OP...

Seems like they are indeed disowning her for saying Bad Things about Omar, however. The Maduro thing happened earlier than this week, I wager.
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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:26 pm

Inkopolita wrote:Most commies in this thread are hulariously ignoran it baffles me that someone can be so light-headed just to oppose "muh US imperialism" while being in favor of an Authoritarian dictatorship that has thrown legitimate elections under the bus (precisely, the one they got their asses kicked in) and to nullify it because they disagreed with them. I could go on and on about the human rights violations Maduro has commited, but arguing against a NS communist is arguing against a brick wall, basically.

" but arguing against a NS communist is arguing against a brick wall, basically.' lol, I have to agree.
But they really do believe one political party state eternal revolutions like Cuba's are democratic, lol.
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Postby Inkopolita » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:34 pm

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:
Inkopolita wrote:Most commies in this thread are hulariously ignoran it baffles me that someone can be so light-headed just to oppose "muh US imperialism" while being in favor of an Authoritarian dictatorship that has thrown legitimate elections under the bus (precisely, the one they got their asses kicked in) and to nullify it because they disagreed with them. I could go on and on about the human rights violations Maduro has commited, but arguing against a NS communist is arguing against a brick wall, basically.

" but arguing against a NS communist is arguing against a brick wall, basically.' lol, I have to agree.
But they really do believe one political party state eternal revolutions like Cuba's are democratic, lol.

I lived in Venezuela the first 6 years of my life and left to Colombia in Chavez's first term and it amazes me how many NS commies are defending a dictatorship that has violated protocols of the Geneva Convention and multiple human rights from the comfort of their Starbucks while drinking some Latte. :rofl:
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:02 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Last I checked, they're disowning her for kind of agreeing with the idea that Ilhan Omar was anti-semitic.

If you search "Maduro" and set it to "top" you can find a good lot of pro-Maduro (or, at least, anti-any change in regime whatsoever) seriousposts (and some shitposts too).

Including one titled "The United States is going to either directly or indirectly invade Venezuela (via Bolsonaro). Upvote to send comrade Maduro and the democratically elected government of the PSUV your energy!" and has a positive rating of 204 with 84% upvotes... while much of this is probably ironic, there's seriousness in the comments. Including from OP...

Seems like they are indeed disowning her for saying Bad Things about Omar, however. The Maduro thing happened earlier than this week, I wager.

To be fair, while I'm far from a Maduro stan, I stan my fellow Chapos' anti-interventionism because we've been through this like a hundred times and I'm not looking forward to whatever Pinochetist nightmare is gonna come out of a successful US intervention in Venezuela.
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Postby US-SSR » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:05 pm

At some risk of injecting some actual facts into the discussion, did anyone else notice that Guaido, after having been threatened with arrest, basically flew into Caracas earlier today, got off the plane, stood in the immigration line and got passed through? Apparently there are some things the Maduro regime just won't do. Is it because they don't fear the opposition, which has called more rallies for this weekend, or because they fear certain orders of theirs might not be carried out? Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 pm

US-SSR wrote:At some risk of injecting some actual facts into the discussion, did anyone else notice that Guaido, after having been threatened with arrest, basically flew into Caracas earlier today, got off the plane, stood in the immigration line and got passed through? Apparently there are some things the Maduro regime just won't do. Is it because they don't fear the opposition, which has called more rallies for this weekend, or because they fear certain orders of theirs might not be carried out? Discuss amongst yourselves.


Or because the orders actually are not getting carried out?
Certainly it shows weakness on the part of the regime that they banned him from traveling yet for whatever reasons can not enforce it.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:14 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Phoenicaea wrote:^ @Shofercia, you plebeian individual can t ruin a tread with this mush. the home and not qualified attitude of the forum doesn t send you the right.

you and other people should stay silent. i live in a country where talk is this as you wallow, and it is not a nice place where to use words. shame to posters that give such people rope


It's always amusing to watch how someone claiming to fight for Human Rights, thinks of the term "plebeian" as an insult.
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:41 pm

US-SSR wrote:At some risk of injecting some actual facts into the discussion, did anyone else notice that Guaido, after having been threatened with arrest, basically flew into Caracas earlier today, got off the plane, stood in the immigration line and got passed through? Apparently there are some things the Maduro regime just won't do. Is it because they don't fear the opposition, which has called more rallies for this weekend, or because they fear certain orders of theirs might not be carried out? Discuss amongst yourselves.

They're scared of riling the US. I'm pretty sure that Bolton has made it perfectly clear that the US will NOT tolerate any attempt to use "force" against the Opposition, which I think translates to a threat against Guaido's arrest. Maduro's best hope is to ignore Guaido and hold on to power until the Opposition runs out of steam. Arresting Guaido would create a martyr and potentially justify US intervention.
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Postby Shofercia » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:15 pm

Kubra wrote:
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It's always amusing to watch how someone claiming to fight for Human Rights, thinks of the term "plebeian" as an insult.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:58 pm

Proctopeo wrote:Seems like they are indeed disowning her for saying Bad Things about Omar, however. The Maduro thing happened earlier than this week, I wager.


It did. It was mentioned on /r/subredditdrama because of the ensuing meltdown.

Edit: found it.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:04 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Seems like they are indeed disowning her for saying Bad Things about Omar, however. The Maduro thing happened earlier than this week, I wager.


It did. It was mentioned on /r/subredditdrama because of the ensuing meltdown.

Edit: found it.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
It did. It was mentioned on /r/subredditdrama because of the ensuing meltdown.

Edit: found it.

lmao I unironically love r/CTH


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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:56 am

Liriena wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
It did. It was mentioned on /r/subredditdrama because of the ensuing meltdown.

Edit: found it.

lmao I unironically love r/CTH


Yikes, I wouldn’t go near that place even on threat of death.

It’s basically /pol/ or r/thedonald, but ideologically mirrored.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:21 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:lmao I unironically love r/CTH


Yikes, I wouldn’t go near that place even on threat of death.

It’s basically /pol/ or r/thedonald, but ideologically mirrored.


Even funnier when you realise it's a podcast.

But this is slightly off topic here.
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Postby Ardoki » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:23 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Seems like they are indeed disowning her for saying Bad Things about Omar, however. The Maduro thing happened earlier than this week, I wager.


It did. It was mentioned on /r/subredditdrama because of the ensuing meltdown.

Edit: found it.

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Postby Duvniask » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:25 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Liriena wrote:lmao I unironically love r/CTH


Yikes, I wouldn’t go near that place even on threat of death.

Post hog. ;)

It’s basically /pol/ or r/thedonald, but ideologically mirrored.

It's basically r/thedonald, except they don't engage in the same cult of personality, nor are people on there racist or bigoted in general. The memes are also better.

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Postby Inkopolita » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:33 am

Duvniask wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yikes, I wouldn’t go near that place even on threat of death.

Post hog. ;)

It’s basically /pol/ or r/thedonald, but ideologically mirrored.

It's basically r/thedonald, except they don't engage in the same cult of personality, nor are people on there racist or bigoted in general. The memes are also better.

Wouldn't ya know, there's zero difference! Horseshoe theory really is true!

Both are shitty places. But please, may we get back on the original subject?
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Postby Trilanian » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:44 am

Hello, I would like to explain how I see the problem in Venezuela. The United States of America has been blocking Venezuela (as well as Cuba).
Now we are sending humanitarian aid to become heroes and establish a government over Venezuela. (We can not smell that the country has a larger reserve of oil in the world). Therefore, the person at fault here is Donald Trump and his policies.

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