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Special Aromas
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Postby Special Aromas » Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:10 pm

Puertollano wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Gaido is a social democrat, and certainly not a US puppet. Venezuela has had its oil nationalized since 79, which will most likely not change.


Wrong. In Guaido’s new constitution he sets out the privatisation of oil and other industries.

When did Guaido make a new constitution?

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Postby Ardoki » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:07 am

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Ardoki wrote:Well if the puppet is successful, the US corporations will get a free supply of oil.


Why would it be free? And why is Guiado a puppet?

The US would only support a candidate who would benefit them. They probably shopped around, looking for the person who would give them the most. Then made a deal to support them as the president.

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If I could recommend anything to Maduro, I would suggest he branch out into the growing essential oils market and transform Venezuela into an independent doTERRA distributor.


That's...rather shitty advice.

Not if Venezuela wants to become its own boss.
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Postby Puertollano » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:12 am

Special Aromas wrote:
Puertollano wrote:
Wrong. In Guaido’s new constitution he sets out the privatisation of oil and other industries.

When did Guaido make a new constitution?


Maybe not a constitution, but transition plans: https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-backs- ... sm/254194/
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Postby Minquasdal » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:16 am

Maduro is a dictator, hopefully he steps down peacefully

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Postby Special Aromas » Sun Feb 03, 2019 2:21 am

Puertollano wrote:
Special Aromas wrote:When did Guaido make a new constitution?


Maybe not a constitution, but transition plans: https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-backs- ... sm/254194/

MintPress News is well known for making shit up, try something more verifiable.

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Postby Phoenicaea » Sun Feb 03, 2019 3:46 am

still not notices about Uruguay 'master-plan', we wait..

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Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Feb 03, 2019 4:43 am

Minquasdal wrote:Maduro is a dictator, hopefully he steps down peacefully

Regards, Minquasdal


Maduro is the last dictator I can think of who would peacefully step down. He had no problem killing his own people before and he will have no problem killing his own people to stay in power now. Who is going to stop him anyway?

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Postby -Ocelot- » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:01 am

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vene ... PS07W?il=0

Numbering some 1,300 officers armed with Chinese and Russian weaponry, the force has killed more than 100 people in low-income neighborhoods over the last six months without any subsequent investigations, local rights group Provea said in a Jan. 26 report.

As Maduro fights to hold onto power in the face of tightening U.S. sanctions and Western powers’ support for opposition leader Juan Guaido, the FAES has proclaimed its loyalty to his government.


What is this special police unit? Death squads? They've been killing innocents extra-judicially for quite some time.

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Postby The of Japan » Sun Feb 03, 2019 5:56 am

Ardoki wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Why would it be free? And why is Guiado a puppet?

The US would only support a candidate who would benefit them. They probably shopped around, looking for the person who would give them the most. Then made a deal to support them as the president.

Costa Fierro wrote:
That's...rather shitty advice.

Not if Venezuela wants to become its own boss.[/quote)
You would think america would chose a conservative, not a socdem for that.
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Postby Auze » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:15 am

Frievolk wrote:
Trumptonium1 wrote:Chile recognises Guaido as the new President

Casado (PP) and Abascal (Vox) of Spain also called for their government to recognise Guaido as the new President. News from the EU so far very slow or ambiguous.

Mexico with their new left-wing government recognise Maduro as the legitimate President.
https://twitter.com/AFPespanol/status/1 ... 4344434695

However Mexico is unlikely to enter any conflict.

So how many American countries are left yet? And it hasn't even been five hours yet.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:15 am

-Ocelot- wrote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-police-factbox/venezuelan-special-police-unit-blamed-for-abuses-killings-idUSKCN1PS07W?il=0

Numbering some 1,300 officers armed with Chinese and Russian weaponry, the force has killed more than 100 people in low-income neighborhoods over the last six months without any subsequent investigations, local rights group Provea said in a Jan. 26 report.

As Maduro fights to hold onto power in the face of tightening U.S. sanctions and Western powers’ support for opposition leader Juan Guaido, the FAES has proclaimed its loyalty to his government.


What is this special police unit? Death squads? They've been killing innocents extra-judicially for quite some time.


Something something "kill the poor to maintain socialism and keep the US out!"

Or somesuch.
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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:22 pm

Due to Fidel' support of Chávez before and after Chávez took power, If Juan Guaidó takes power, I hope he breaks off all economic, political, cultural and military relations with the other undemocratic eternal revolution dictatorship of Cuba to set an example to the other western style democratic leaders, the one's who support western style democracy in Venezuela but wont do it for Cuba.
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Postby Slovenya » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:25 pm

Finally there will be change in Venezuela! hope all those commies get thrown out and shipped to Cuba where they all belong
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:34 pm

Slovenya wrote:Finally there will be change in Venezuela! hope all those commies get thrown out and shipped to Cuba where they all belong


Communists don't belong anywhere except at the bottom of the polls, in comedy sketches, and in history textbooks.
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Postby Slovenya » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:38 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Communists don't belong anywhere except at the bottom of the polls, in comedy sketches, and in history textbooks.

I couldn't have said it better myself ;)
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Postby Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:44 pm

Slovenya wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Communists don't belong anywhere except at the bottom of the polls, in comedy sketches, and in history textbooks.

I couldn't have said it better myself ;)[/quote
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:46 pm

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:
Slovenya wrote:

I couldn't have said it better myself ;)[/quote
"Awesome Female Slavic Venezuelan American" As a native Cuban and American citizen my personal apology for what the Cubans under Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel have done to Venezuela helping and supporting Chávez and Maduro.

you don't need to apologize for things you had no involvement in.
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Postby Slovenya » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:47 pm

Greater La Habana Cuba and Miami Shores wrote:"Awesome Female Slavic Venezuelan American" As a native Cuban and American citizen my personal apology for what the Cubans under Fidel, Raúl and Diaz-Canel have done to Venezuela helping and supporting Chávez and Maduro.

not your fault, sadly in Cuba the people have been repressed for so long that there is no real way of politically overcoming communism there :( :(
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Postby Karu Nadu » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:47 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Slovenya wrote:Finally there will be change in Venezuela! hope all those commies get thrown out and shipped to Cuba where they all belong


Communists don't belong anywhere except at the bottom of the polls, in comedy sketches, and in history textbooks.

Well, according to NSG, the Communists are the best option for India...
Which means that your opinion is not one shared by much of NS.

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Postby Yusseria » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:49 pm

Karu Nadu wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Communists don't belong anywhere except at the bottom of the polls, in comedy sketches, and in history textbooks.

Well, according to NSG, the Communists are the best option for India...
Which means that your opinion is not one shared by much of NS.

idk man it doesn't seem like NSG is a hivemind.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:50 pm

Slovenya wrote:Finally there will be change in Venezuela! hope all those commies get thrown out and shipped to Cuba where they all belong


Maduro and the Bolivarians really aren't Communist. Guaido, as a Social Democrat, is much closer to Communism than they could ever pretend to be.

And I say this as a dirty commie myself.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:50 pm

Karu Nadu wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Communists don't belong anywhere except at the bottom of the polls, in comedy sketches, and in history textbooks.

Well, according to NSG, the Communists are the best option for India...
Which means that your opinion is not one shared by much of NS.


NSG is known for harboring a great variety of people across the political spectrum who don't know what they're talking about. Communism is probably the last thing India needs right now.
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Postby Slovenya » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:50 pm

Karu Nadu wrote:Well, according to NSG, the Communists are the best option for India...
Which means that your opinion is not one shared by much of NS.

NSG doesn't share a the more popular belief in the world that communism is bad for a society
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Postby Slovenya » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:53 pm

Torrocca wrote:Maduro and the Bolivarians really aren't Communist. Guaido, as a Social Democrat, is much closer to Communism than they could ever pretend to be.

And I say this as a dirty commie myself.

they are socialists but they place strict controls in the private market and take over companies, as communist do. They do it without the consent of people, and they control income of wealthy private business. That sounds pretty communisty to me :p
I don't know much about Guaido, just that he had the support of the west
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:56 pm

It's always funny how socialists deny every attempt at socialism is socialist because it's not utopian enough.

Almost as if it can't be.
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