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by Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:21 am
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:23 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Unified Kemalism with Social Democracy
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Nor Portland » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:26 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Unified Kemalism with Social Democracy
by Arayas » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:28 am
by Nor Portland » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:28 am
Arayas wrote:Fascism
by Free Arabian Nation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:32 am
by Likar » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:39 am
by Uelvan » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:57 am
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:58 pm
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Excuse me, but what?
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by VoVoDoCo » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:13 pm
Byzconia wrote:VoVoDoCo wrote:Which is my biggest issue with post-capitalist socialism in-general. It's the same problem Libertarians have, you can point to how your ideas work in theory--and they might even make sense--but without an actual successful real world example, I'll remain skeptical.Here's the problem: a utopia of ANY ideology will never come true. So showing skepticism towards an ideology on the grounds that it hasn't happened yet is simply gonna keep one WAY too close minded to potential benefits of a given belief system.
While I agree that pointing out that "it hasn't happened yet" isn't the end-all be-all, it's still a legitimate point to make. Regardless, no, it's not being "close-minded," it's rational skepticism. I'm willing to implement ideas on a small-scale and see how they do before expanding them, but I'm not willing to just whole-hog flip everything over night. Personally, I support the idea of a market socialist economy driven by worker co-ops, but I also recognize that such a thing has never really been done before, so it'd be a hard sell--hence my support for a social democratic economic that would add in more co-ops over time (assuming they work to plan, of course--if not, then we can just scrap it without any major harm done).For instance, I've never lived in a Libertarian Utopia before. But they've advocate corporate tax cuts (akin to Irelands i think it was ireland oh well), gay marriage (before any other party in the US did), election reform (which is only NOW becoming an issue), and demilitarization. Whether or not a nation headed by a Libertarian President, governed by a Libertarian congress, translated by Libertarian judges, and delegated to local Libertarian governments has happened before and turned into a literal heaven on earth is irrelevant.
Advocating for some good ideas doesn't automatically make the whole ideology good (though I would contest the notion that corporate tax cuts are inherently good--I could see them being useful in certain situations, but Libertarians treat them like a panacea, which they're most certainly not--but I digress). For instance, Communists are (ideologically) anti-racism, anti-imperialism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, pro-labor, etc., but that doesn't automatically make command economies not-terrible.
And, no, it's not "irrelevant." The Libertarian Party supports largely the same supply-side economic system the Republicans do (actually more so, because the Libertarian Party wants to completely gut virtually all social spending--which not even the most hard-right Republican would suggest). And the practical effects that we can see so far aren't pretty. The poorest counties in the country are Republican. The poorest states in the country are Republican. I was actually just reading earlier about corporate exploits in Kentucky and Kansas. The latter is dominated by Koch Brothers interests and continues to slip even further into deficit and poverty. Kentucky is completely in the grip of insurance and healthcare company interests--while ironically having one of the lowest qualities of life in the country (the Governor even recently forced through a bill that added work requirements to Medicare/Medicaid recipients, despite no evidence that it would save the state any money). States like Georgia and Louisiana aren't much better. And that's just the state level. Even ignoring all of the recessions that have been caused by supply-side cuts (Reagan [2x], Clinton, Bush), Trump's recent tax bill is a Libertarian's wet dream (and will cost the US $1 trillion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office). We don't need a "Libertarian utopia," we have real world examples (and these were just off the top of my head).
by El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:35 am
Pangania wrote:This country's ideology is simple. It's all about the money and freedom.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:33 am
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Big-brain radical alt-centrism.
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Liberated Communist States » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 am
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:24 pm
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:29 pm
by Liberated Communist States » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:13 pm
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:54 pm
Novacambria wrote:Democratic socialist
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC
by Mystic Warriors » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:01 pm
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