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What is your political ideology?

Conservative
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17%
Republican
5
3%
Authortarian
11
6%
Liberal
24
13%
Libertarian
22
12%
National Socialist
13
7%
Fascist
10
5%
Neo-Liberal
4
2%
Anarchist
17
9%
Other/apolitical
52
27%
 
Total votes : 191

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Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum
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Postby Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:21 am

Unified Kemalism with Social Democracy
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:23 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Unified Kemalism with Social Democracy

Excuse me, but what?
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:24 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Unified Kemalism with Social Democracy

Excuse me, but what?

Kemalism = support for the policies of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.
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Nor Portland
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Postby Nor Portland » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:26 am

Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:Unified Kemalism with Social Democracy

Tseghakronism with Democratic Confederalism :roll:
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Arayas
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Postby Arayas » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:28 am

Fascism
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Nor Portland
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Postby Nor Portland » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:28 am

Arayas wrote:Fascism

Which form? That's a very umbrella statement
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Free Arabian Nation
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:32 am

Nor Portland wrote:
Arayas wrote:Fascism

Which form? That's a very umbrella statement

The one that works
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Likar
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Postby Likar » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:39 am

Economically, a mixed capitalist, socially very liberal with a hint of the right wing. While I’m anti racist and all that, I don’t support SJW’s, or people throwing around the term SJW.
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Uelvan
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Postby Uelvan » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:57 am

Idealistically, I am a supporter of direct democracy and any of the changes that would come from the greater-will of the general public.

However, since that is not realistic because representative democracy entrenches politicians who will never vote to give up their position of power and the fears of tyranny by majority, I do not champion this cause with any degree of seriousness. Ultimately at the end of the day, I don't care, so long as it works and does not screw over my well being or that of the general public. I do not advocate restricting any of USA's political freedoms, whatsoever, but instead I would like to expand them. Things like first past the poll are outdated and we would benefit from updating our voter laws.

Economically I am a capitalist. However, I can support socialism, if it is implemented from the bottom up via voluntary exchanges with those who want to "pitch into the system" as the recipients. I can also favor socialistic programs if they benefit America as a whole such as expanding medicare for all, but I am not in favor of outright revolution across the whole industrial or retail sector unless the population came together as a whole and desired it. I have no issue with people becoming independently wealthy, although I personally support the progressive tax, as the whole point of taxes has always been the redistribution of wealth in order to better the general welfare and protection of our citizens.

Socially I am leftist, and I believe justice should triumph over tradition in every single instance that the two sides clash. Justice is the cornerstone of a benevolent and enlightened government and it should be applied not just to all citizens but all residents and immigrants in USA, regardless of their legal-status within the nation. While the rightwing is not inherently unjust, I just feel like the current political environment has pushed me fully into social-leftist territory for the foreseeable future, unless the rightwing starts throwing some bones to the disadvantaged demographics (examples; historically oppressed minorities or the rural poor in Appalachia) or takes on a less hostile approach to foreigners.

Typically I am against populism for the sake of populism, as I think it tends to draw demagogues into the movement who will ultimately subvert its intentions. From what I have seen, it breeds a mentality which leads to a severe case of tunnel vision. I am concerned about the general populists' inability to call out nepotism when their side does it, but they'll cry havoc when their opponents do it. This is just blatantly counter intuitive and results in social backlash from those who were not apart of the "in" group of populists to see them in the same light as the populists saw the entrenched elite they fought against. In a way, they seed the soil for next generation to hate their ideas. Populism with a very mild hand and with the right leadership is rare, but not undesirable as it is not inherently an awful idea.

Environmentally, I am anthropocentric which inherently puts me a little bit on the right in these regards. I am in favor of drilling where profit can be made for example. However, I think that it is illogical to assume we can continue to churn out this much industrial waste, air pollution, and overall negligence towards the world's ecosystems. I am in favor of cutting back on CO2 output, even if other nations fail to do so too. Therefore, as we move forward, it seems that the most anthropocentric approach is to make green energy/less pollutant energy more economic. Therefore, things like subsidies into research firms are high on my priority list. I don't really care about animal rights too much; and in some cases I would be open to things like a bald eagle hunting season where their population is problematic for actual humans. This does not mean I support the torture or cruelty of beasts, and I support the ban on things like dog fighting for example.

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Rotar
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Postby Rotar » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:38 pm

my ideology politically is Kahanism, my ideology economically is economic statism/state intervention in the economy, and my social ideology is Judeo-traditionalist

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:58 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Excuse me, but what?


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VoVoDoCo
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:13 pm

Byzconia wrote:
VoVoDoCo wrote:Which is my biggest issue with post-capitalist socialism in-general. It's the same problem Libertarians have, you can point to how your ideas work in theory--and they might even make sense--but without an actual successful real world example, I'll remain skeptical.


Here's the problem: a utopia of ANY ideology will never come true. So showing skepticism towards an ideology on the grounds that it hasn't happened yet is simply gonna keep one WAY too close minded to potential benefits of a given belief system.

While I agree that pointing out that "it hasn't happened yet" isn't the end-all be-all, it's still a legitimate point to make. Regardless, no, it's not being "close-minded," it's rational skepticism. I'm willing to implement ideas on a small-scale and see how they do before expanding them, but I'm not willing to just whole-hog flip everything over night. Personally, I support the idea of a market socialist economy driven by worker co-ops, but I also recognize that such a thing has never really been done before, so it'd be a hard sell--hence my support for a social democratic economic that would add in more co-ops over time (assuming they work to plan, of course--if not, then we can just scrap it without any major harm done).

For instance, I've never lived in a Libertarian Utopia before. But they've advocate corporate tax cuts (akin to Irelands i think it was ireland oh well), gay marriage (before any other party in the US did), election reform (which is only NOW becoming an issue), and demilitarization. Whether or not a nation headed by a Libertarian President, governed by a Libertarian congress, translated by Libertarian judges, and delegated to local Libertarian governments has happened before and turned into a literal heaven on earth is irrelevant.

Advocating for some good ideas doesn't automatically make the whole ideology good (though I would contest the notion that corporate tax cuts are inherently good--I could see them being useful in certain situations, but Libertarians treat them like a panacea, which they're most certainly not--but I digress). For instance, Communists are (ideologically) anti-racism, anti-imperialism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, pro-labor, etc., but that doesn't automatically make command economies not-terrible.

And, no, it's not "irrelevant." The Libertarian Party supports largely the same supply-side economic system the Republicans do (actually more so, because the Libertarian Party wants to completely gut virtually all social spending--which not even the most hard-right Republican would suggest). And the practical effects that we can see so far aren't pretty. The poorest counties in the country are Republican. The poorest states in the country are Republican. I was actually just reading earlier about corporate exploits in Kentucky and Kansas. The latter is dominated by Koch Brothers interests and continues to slip even further into deficit and poverty. Kentucky is completely in the grip of insurance and healthcare company interests--while ironically having one of the lowest qualities of life in the country (the Governor even recently forced through a bill that added work requirements to Medicare/Medicaid recipients, despite no evidence that it would save the state any money). States like Georgia and Louisiana aren't much better. And that's just the state level. Even ignoring all of the recessions that have been caused by supply-side cuts (Reagan [2x], Clinton, Bush), Trump's recent tax bill is a Libertarian's wet dream (and will cost the US $1 trillion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office). We don't need a "Libertarian utopia," we have real world examples (and these were just off the top of my head).

First of all,You said you'd remain skeptical until there was a real world example (unless there was another post before that one I didn't see, in that case, my apologies). That's different than getting policy specific, which is what you did in this last post. Wording was the issue here.
Second of all,90% of this last part seems irrelevant. We're not debating any of those topics. I brought corporate taxes up as an example. Debate about corporate taxes or healthcare wasn't on the agenda.
Third of all, you don't get to tell us whether these latest tax cuts are our wet dream or not. You don't know the ideology enough. The LP actually went on record saying the party is against the cuts.
Fourth of all, no really. Why go into such heavy detail explaining why you believe what you do on those issues? That wasn't the discussion. Literally the only thing you had to say was, "I didn't really mean real world examples of utopias, I meant real world examples of successful policy implementation."
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Alcantaras
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Postby Alcantaras » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:51 pm

Georgism.

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:41 am

Big-brain radical alt-centrism.

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PANGANIA
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Postby PANGANIA » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:44 am

This country's ideology is simple. It's all about the money and freedom.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:35 am

Pangania wrote:This country's ideology is simple. It's all about the money and freedom.

This part of the forums is OOC (out of character). We discuss our real-life views here.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:33 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Big-brain radical alt-centrism.

:clap:
Good job, you’re reached the highest tier of not having any actual beliefs.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Liberated Communist States
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:52 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Big-brain radical alt-centrism.

:clap:
Good job, you’re reached the highest tier of not having any actual beliefs.

Haha :D

Good one.

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:24 pm

Liberated Communist States wrote:Haha :D

Good one.

No, Western Vale Confederacy was being sarcastic, I think.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:29 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Which form? That's a very umbrella statement

The one that works

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Liberated Communist States
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:13 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Liberated Communist States wrote:Haha :D

Good one.

No, Western Vale Confederacy was being sarcastic, I think.

Oh. Well I thought it was funny.

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Novacambria
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Postby Novacambria » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Democratic socialist

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:54 pm

Novacambria wrote:Democratic socialist

Are you an actual socialist or not?
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:01 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Novacambria wrote:Democratic socialist

Are you an actual socialist or not?



Democratic Socialists are socialists.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:04 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Novacambria wrote:Democratic socialist

Are you an actual socialist or not?

The word you're looking for is "Social Democrat", which is the whole "Capitalism, but with a wealth net and high taxes".

Democratic Socialism is when the workers own the means of production under a democratic state
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