What is your political ideology

[Byzconia]

I've become somewhat more sympathetic to democratic socialists, because I think that a socialist utopia (or near it) can only be achieved through actual democracy. Once authoritarianism enters the equation, it's ruined.

Pretty much, yeah. The whole point of socialism is supposed to be economic/industrial democracy, once you eliminate that element it just becomes a corrupt oligarchy.

[Jolthig]

I've become somewhat more sympathetic to democratic socialists, because I think that a socialist utopia (or near it) can only be achieved through actual democracy. Once authoritarianism enters the equation, it's ruined.

You're thinking of social democracy.

Or rather, the social democracy advocated by Eduard Bernstein.

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

You're thinking of social democracy.

Or rather, the social democracy advocated by Eduard Bernstein.

What''s the difference between a democratic socialist and old-style social democrat? Aren't both ostensibly Marxist?

[Dangine]

It seems like this form has become more of a debate than just saying your political ideology. Anyways my political ideology would be Social Democracy.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Except Lenin was still inspired by Marx. He considered himself a Marxist and cited Marx and Engels a lot. Regardless, it still doesn't address the point I was making--Marx's ideas haven't been successfully implemented because they can't be. His theory was wrong--society isn't as mechanistic as he thought it was. Classes do matter in the historical narrative, but they're not the sole driving force as Marx theorized.

I don't see how that is relevant to the subject. Marx was dead, and he was not responsible for how others represented him.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Social democrats don't call themselves Marxists. In the U.S., they are usually called progressives or Keynesians.

Democratic socialism is a fragmented movement. Some democratic socialists are Marxists. Most are not.

Originally, social democracy and democratic socialism were a single movement. They split about 100 years ago.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You're thinking of social democracy.

Or rather, the social democracy advocated by Eduard Bernstein.

What''s the difference between a democratic socialist and old-style social democrat? Aren't both ostensibly Marxist?

Nowadays, social democracy is closer to neo-corporatism and tripartism than Marxism.

[Akirya]

Nationalist - Socdem.
I want some sort of safety net, but dont want migrants. In real life the closest would be Hungary and Poland.

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Some one asked what social-democracy is. What a lot of people get confused about is that they think social is shortened for socialism.
Social-democracy is a capitalsit system , meaning the means of production are in private hands, as opposed to socialism in which the means of production are public. Socdem have medium to high taxation which is used to fund healthcare, education and welfare. In reality Europe and most countries in the world are social democratic.

Some see social democratic as countries which not only have some welfare but the 'birth to death" welfare , or the Nordic economic model. In that case Scandinavia and Western Europe is included.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I wholeheartedly support the Juche Ideology and its components of KimIlSungism-KimJongIlism

Manse!

This is a great meme post for the worst idea. Who would unironically support failed fascism in disguise?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I wholeheartedly support the Juche Ideology and its components of KimIlSungism-KimJongIlism

Manse!

This is a great meme post for the worst idea. Who would unironically support failed fascism in disguise?

A hardcore tankie. That's who. They're some of the most authoritarian commies in existence.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The only true socialist state is the one I personally agree with
- Literally every socialist ever (ranging from Tankies to AnComs)

"It isn’t socialism/communism if it failed!", you mean.

It doesn’t change the fact that they claimed to be either of them.

Claims =/= fact

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

radical centrism.

[Byzconia]

I've become somewhat more sympathetic to democratic socialists, because I think that a socialist utopia (or near it) can only be achieved through actual democracy. Once authoritarianism enters the equation, it's ruined.

You're thinking of social democracy.

Or rather, the social democracy advocated by Eduard Bernstein.

No, he's describing democratic socialism. Democratic socialism =/= social democracy.

[Byzconia]

It seems like this form has become more of a debate than just saying your political ideology. Anyways my political ideology would be Social Democracy.

This thread isn't just about saying your political ideology. NSG is for discussions, if we weren't debating our ideologies, the thread would be shutdown for being pointless.
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Except Lenin was still inspired by Marx. He considered himself a Marxist and cited Marx and Engels a lot. Regardless, it still doesn't address the point I was making--Marx's ideas haven't been successfully implemented because they can't be. His theory was wrong--society isn't as mechanistic as he thought it was. Classes do matter in the historical narrative, but they're not the sole driving force as Marx theorized.

I don't see how that is relevant to the subject. Marx was dead, and he was not responsible for how others represented him.

Which has nothing to do with what I said. It's not about how other people "represented him." It's about the fact that he called himself a "scientific socialist" but his theory has yet to be backed up by any empirical evidence.

[Byzconia]

"It isn’t socialism/communism if it failed!", you mean.

It doesn’t change the fact that they claimed to be either of them.

Claims =/= fact

"They didn't do Communism how I would, so it's Not True Communism!"

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Adding some nuance to my previous answers.

"What issues do you disagree with your ideology on?"

Politiscales result as of 1 year ago, the silver circle on the bottom stands for Pragmatism.

This Ivory Coast-born physician's thoughts on contemporary liberalism in the US are very similar to my own.
https://www.quora.com/By-American-stand ... abib-Fanny

First, you have to decide whether you lean left or lean right.

[*] If it were up to me to design tax policy, the new system would be less beneficial to high income earners such as myself and the people who earn more than me. That makes me a member of the left.
[*] On issues like gay marriage, gay adoption, what bathroom trans people can use, and all the so-called “social” issues in the US, I can be counted on to take the leftist position every single time.
[*] I am strongly in favor of both financial and environmental regulation. If I’m going to err on one side, I would rather over-regulate, given that this is the more reversible course. It’s hard to reverse climate change, environmental degradation, and financial crises that put the whole economy at risk.

Very clearly, then, I am a liberal, by American standards. I am obviously not a conservative. And I can’t call myself a “moderate” either. And yet:

[*] If it were up to me, taxes would be higher on everybody. You can’t just expect to finance everything we need to finance by taxing the wealthy alone.
[*] I wouldn’t raise the minimum wage to $15 everywhere in the country. That makes sense in Seattle, where the cost of living is sky high. It would makes no sense for potential employers in Birmingham, AL. The federal minimum wage should be set according to the cost of living in the cheapest state to live in. And the Earned-Income Tax Credit should be expanded to lift the working poor out of poverty. This credit should be variable, based on the cost of living of the recipient.
[*] I don’t think a single-payer system for healthcare will magically result in lower costs. The most likely result will be to slow the pace of healthcare inflation. This is a worthwhile goal. And universal healthcare in and of itself is a worthwhile goal. But those who assume that we would immediately and automatically save a bunch of money are deluding themselves. That is not how single-payer systems have ever worked anywhere.
[*] I recognize that every policy I espouse will have its set of losers, with legitimate grievances, that they will use the powers at their disposal to oppose my political goals, and that this does not necessarily make them bad people.
[*] I am a political pessimist, and very skeptical of the great man/person theory of historical change. You won’t find me among the legions of fans of Beto or AOC (I'm actually mildly supportive of both). Systems require more than individual passion in order for real change to occur. More often than not, it is individuals who are changed and coopted by the gravitational pull of the systems they are sent to work in.
[*] I am extremely skeptical of Bernie Sanders’s plans. I share his political philosophy, but I was very much irritated by the fact that every one of his major plans seemed to be founded on rosy, unrealistic assumptions. More than that, his plans could not stand up to expert scrutiny. There was never the possibility of raising as much revenue as would be needed, and no political path to get there in any case.
[*] I very much sympathize with Asians who oppose race-based affirmative action. I wish education funding were completely decoupled from local property taxes, and I wish more resources were invested in poverty-stricken, crime-ridden communities. In the absence of such fixes, affirmative action is meant to close a portion of the racial achievement gap, but I can’t really defend it on logical grounds.

All these things put me at the conservative end of the solid liberal spectrum.

[Phoenicaea]

..it is a metter of denonyms.. i would say social democratic is democrat, while democratic socialism is socialist.

then you make the definition you wish.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't want any part of any ideology in which winning an argument is not a part of its struggle.

Marx was not a rationalist, so I guess that leaves out Marxism.

*insert blue dog saying bye*

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Claims =/= fact

"They didn't do Communism how I would, so it's Not True Communism!"

More how it'd be done according to the actual teachings of communism.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Nowadays, social democracy is closer to neo-corporatism and tripartism than Marxism.

That is more Third Wayism (Anthony Giddens, Amitai Etzioni, et al.) than social democracy. Former president Obama followed Etzioni's Third Way approach (responsive communitarianism). Bill Clinton followed Anthony Giddens' approach (utopian realism).

[Democratic Communist Federation]

"They didn't do Communism how I would, so it's Not True Communism!"

Just like conservatives attack each other as not true conservatives (paleoconservatives vs neoconservatives or alt-rightists vs. almost everyone else). Words or terms are not real. People and their ideas are real.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

radical centrism.

How can someone be a radical and a centrist?

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

radical centrism.

How can someone be a radical and a centrist?

They're actually neither, but the term does have its uses.

[Sekundarland]

Something like anarcho-communism, but I think the best way to achieve it is a democratic, peaceful transition from state power and capitalism.

[Latvijas Otra Republika]

radical centrism.

How can someone be a radical and a centrist?

They are radically centrist, the masses must revolt for total centrism.