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What is your political ideology?

Conservative
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17%
Republican
5
3%
Authortarian
11
6%
Liberal
24
13%
Libertarian
22
12%
National Socialist
13
7%
Fascist
10
5%
Neo-Liberal
4
2%
Anarchist
17
9%
Other/apolitical
52
27%
 
Total votes : 191

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Nor Portland
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Postby Nor Portland » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:33 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Well to put it bluntly, Google is blatantly wrong

Anarchism opposes authority and hierarchy but not law. Laws can be instated so long as they are through direct democratic means

It's weird that people assume anarchy is automatically gonna lead to chaos. It's possible to have a nice, orderly society without a central authority calling the shots.

Precisely! And this isnt hypothetical either, it's been working great in Rojava and for the Zapatistas.
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Sicaris
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Postby Sicaris » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:33 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Well to put it bluntly, Google is blatantly wrong

Anarchism opposes authority and hierarchy but not law. Laws can be instated so long as they are through direct democratic means

It's weird that people assume anarchy is automatically gonna lead to chaos. It's possible to have a nice, orderly society without a central authority calling the shots.


Not really.
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Arcturus Novus
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:35 am

Sicaris wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:It's weird that people assume anarchy is automatically gonna lead to chaos. It's possible to have a nice, orderly society without a central authority calling the shots.


Not really.

Okay, well, you try and survive as a poor rural community when everyone wants to fucking bomb you into the dirt.
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Alvecia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Alvecia » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:36 am

Nor Portland wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Laws necessarily require authority. A law without authority is unenforecable, and as such, not a law.

A community force directly governed by the people is not an authority. Authority implies hierarchy, not necessarily enforcement

Authority implies hierarchy, but doesn’t nessecitate it. A community granted enforcement is still community granted authority. To impose your rules upon another is to assume the auhority to enforce them.

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Sicaris
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Postby Sicaris » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:37 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
Not really.

Okay, well, you try and survive as a poor rural community when everyone wants to fucking bomb you into the dirt.


You won’t.
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I’m an American nationalist, ultra-capitalist, Kemalist, and First and Second Amendment extremist. Alexander Hamilton and Ronald Reagan are my gods and I will incessantly worship them.

No, basement dwellers of the world, communism does not work.

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Nor Portland
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Postby Nor Portland » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:43 am

Alvecia wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:A community force directly governed by the people is not an authority. Authority implies hierarchy, not necessarily enforcement

Authority implies hierarchy, but doesn’t nessecitate it. A community granted enforcement is still community granted authority. To impose your rules upon another is to assume the auhority to enforce them.

Sort of I guess? This is a matter of semantics at this point. Just understand that no authority in anarchy can be imposed without direct consent of the people
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Greater Carolinas
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Postby Greater Carolinas » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:45 am

Fascism, third positionism.

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Free Arabian Nation
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:47 am

Nor Portland wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Authority implies hierarchy, but doesn’t nessecitate it. A community granted enforcement is still community granted authority. To impose your rules upon another is to assume the auhority to enforce them.

Sort of I guess? This is a matter of semantics at this point. Just understand that no authority in anarchy can be imposed without direct consent of the people

So basically minarchist direct democracy?

Because that'll work :roll:
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Sicaris
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Postby Sicaris » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Sort of I guess? This is a matter of semantics at this point. Just understand that no authority in anarchy can be imposed without direct consent of the people

So basically minarchist direct democracy?

Because that'll work :roll:


Just like anarchism, right?
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Alvecia
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Alvecia » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:05 am

Nor Portland wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Authority implies hierarchy, but doesn’t nessecitate it. A community granted enforcement is still community granted authority. To impose your rules upon another is to assume the auhority to enforce them.

Sort of I guess? This is a matter of semantics at this point. Just understand that no authority in anarchy can be imposed without direct consent of the people

That isn’t anarchy then, it’s direct democracy

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Neihchfer
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Founded: Jan 05, 2019
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Postby Neihchfer » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:12 am

Monarchism, but with extra steps.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:19 am

Alvecia wrote:That isn’t anarchy then, it’s direct democracy

“But democracy can’t be democratic!”-anarchists
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Frievolk
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Postby Frievolk » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:40 am

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Alvecia wrote:That isn’t anarchy then, it’s direct democracy

“But democracy can’t be democratic!”-anarchists
I’m shaking my head

Well, I mean Illiberal Democracy (a certain type of representative, non-direct democracy to be precise) is not democratic, so that's... not too out of scripture
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Nor Portland
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Postby Nor Portland » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:57 am

Alvecia wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Sort of I guess? This is a matter of semantics at this point. Just understand that no authority in anarchy can be imposed without direct consent of the people

That isn’t anarchy then, it’s direct democracy

That....... is, anarchy. Literally look at any form of anarchism and they incorporate this idea in one way or another
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North German Realm
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Postby North German Realm » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:59 am

Nor Portland wrote:
Alvecia wrote:That isn’t anarchy then, it’s direct democracy

That....... is, anarchy. Literally look at any form of anarchism and they incorporate this idea in one way or another

Sure, but Direct Democracy isn't necessarily Anarchist. I mean, Switzerland is for the most part directly democratic in how it is run, but it's still got itself a state.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:02 pm

Neihchfer wrote:Monarchism, but with extra steps.


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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:23 pm

Frievolk wrote:Well, I mean Illiberal Democracy (a certain type of representative, non-direct democracy to be precise) is not democratic, so that's... not too out of scripture

The part that I disagree with is when they say democracy isn’t possible at all under a democratic system.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Hystaria
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Postby Hystaria » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:30 pm

Effective Statism. Not left or right, but i wish for an effective medium sized government that can function with representing its people and gaining enough wealth to support them. I am egalitarian. I have libertarian ideas, while still being statist... Idk what to call myself.

I also feel the goal of a nation is to Protect people, help them live, and stay intact. Importance in that order.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:31 pm

Hystaria wrote:Effective Statism. Not left or right, but i wish for an effective medium sized government that can function with representing its people and gaining enough wealth to support them. I am egalitarian. I have libertarian ideas, while still being statist... Idk what to call myself.

I also feel the goal of a nation is to Protect people, help them live, and stay intact. Importance in that order.

So radical centrism?
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Kato Van
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Postby Kato Van » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:33 pm

I'm a Social Democrat
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Postby Hystaria » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:34 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Hystaria wrote:Effective Statism. Not left or right, but i wish for an effective medium sized government that can function with representing its people and gaining enough wealth to support them. I am egalitarian. I have libertarian ideas, while still being statist... Idk what to call myself.

I also feel the goal of a nation is to Protect people, help them live, and stay intact. Importance in that order.

So radical centrism?

Maybe?
But I dont feel that radical...
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Kowani wrote:Hystaria. They’re both edgy, but only one of them is a special kind of edgy.

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:41 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Hystaria wrote:Effective Statism. Not left or right, but i wish for an effective medium sized government that can function with representing its people and gaining enough wealth to support them. I am egalitarian. I have libertarian ideas, while still being statist... Idk what to call myself.

I also feel the goal of a nation is to Protect people, help them live, and stay intact. Importance in that order.

So radical centrism?

To be honest the egalitarian element probably shifts him just left of center. I'd need more details on what said egalitarian views involve specifically in order to say for certain.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:46 pm

Hystaria wrote:Maybe?
But I dont feel that radical...

Radical centrism isn’t that radical although radicalism is relative.
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Greater Carolinas
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Postby Greater Carolinas » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:01 pm

Kato Van wrote:I'm a Social Democrat

Stop

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:01 pm

Greater Carolinas wrote:
Kato Van wrote:I'm a Social Democrat

Stop

?
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