What is your political ideology

[LiberNovusAmericae]

No, your proposal is crap, and I see nothing in it that even resembles the ideals of our founding fathers.

Eff the founding fathers.

Eff Islam and religion.

[National utilitarian workers republic]

-eugenics. I'd sterilize all career criminals, welfare leeches, abusers, recidivist drug and alcohol addicts, and those with genetic disorders or low IQ. I'd also impose mandatory abortions on teen mom's (unless someone agrees to raise the baby) and those fetuses proven, in the first trimester, to have any disabling deformity or defect.

What's the lowest IQ that you would tolerate? I'm against Eugenics, but I'm just curious.

I've been debating it for a while, but anything below 85 is considered dim. 70 is literally mental retardation. I don't think such people should be allowed to breed. Sex is your own choice, but when you reproduce, that affects the child you create and society as a whole. If we know the results of you reproducing are going to be bad for the resulting child and for the surrounding society, I don't think it should be allowed.

[National utilitarian workers republic]

I think you mean awfully awesome.

No, your proposal is crap, and I see nothing in it that even resembles the ideals of our founding fathers.

Well, there is a lot of libertarianism in there. Pro gun, pro drug legalization.

I actually have a defense for free speech, privacy, etc. based on utility. I just didn't add it because it was getting too long.

I would actually expand many of the rights of the Constitution to restrict private organizations.

For example, it would be illegal to fire someone for their exercise of their rights when not at work. I would make the right to self defense absolute and restrict imminent domain to strictly public works and the state would have to pay 3X the market value.

[Ancapistan the Not Country]

I am an anarcho-capitalist

[The Reddington States]

Right-Leaning Libertarian

[Thermodolia]

No, your proposal is crap, and I see nothing in it that even resembles the ideals of our founding fathers.

Well, there is a lot of libertarianism in there. Pro gun, pro drug legalization.

I actually have a defense for free speech, privacy, etc. based on utility. I just didn't add it because it was getting too long.

I would actually expand many of the rights of the Constitution to restrict private organizations.

For example, it would be illegal to fire someone for their exercise of their rights when not at work. I would make the right to self defense absolute and restrict imminent domain to strictly public works and the state would have to pay 3X the market value.

That’s not making anything better

[Woudlora]

I would say probably some type of cultural nationalism with a pessimistic view of where the world is headed, although negativity about the future appears to me to be in vogue these days. I can appreciate some Marxist critique but I don't like the internationalist strains of thought in socialism, and I feel conservatives do not care for the environment enough. Perhaps most importantly I prefer master morality to slave morality.

[Frievolk]

It's an ideology of my own making. It is basically a type of fascism or National socialism, but fused with libertarianism and the sort of classical liberal ideas of the founding fathers of America.

Broadly, it is nationalist, and all laws are based in principles of utility and benefit to society.

I'm writing an entire treatise on it, but I'll sum up in a few points:

1- White ethnonationalism, but not pure. To say I want a white ethnostate is not inaccurate, but that doesn't mean I want everyone who isn't white removed. It also isn't opposed to ethnonationalism for other peoples in their own countries. Blacks, Jews, etc. can and should have a homeland, and they have just as much right to defend it as we whites have to defend ours.

2- anti war profiteering. I'd make it a capital offense to profit from war. I'm not against wars of conquest, but that ain't what we do these days. We waste thousands of lives and trillions of dollars, and for what? A less stable world, no accomplishment, and for the profits of banks, arms dealers, etc? Absolutely vile.

3- opposition to usury. I'd ban high interest loans, especially student loans, mortgages, etc.

-universal healthcare (of a sort). I'd cover all expenses for emergency care and more expensive surgeries and then bill the citizen on a sliding scale. Regular care would be individual responsibility, unless too poor.

4- get rid of professional licensing mandates and business licenses. This will lower barriers to market entry and increase competition. This will drive down prices. Those whose business does harm to people or society will just be shut down and they will be punished.

-get rid of building codes and zoning laws. Disputes can be handled by courts and through arbitration.

5- significantly reduce immigration, especially from the third world.

6- eugenics. I'd sterilize all career criminals, welfare leeches, abusers, recidivist drug and alcohol addicts, and those with genetic disorders or low IQ. I'd also impose mandatory abortions on teen mom's (unless someone agrees to raise the baby) and those fetuses proven, in the first trimester, to have any disabling deformity or defect.

7- recriminalize adultery and end no fault divorce.

8- welfare reform. If you're able bodied and you don't show effort to get a job, get an education, get training, or get treatment, and six months pass with you on welfare, you're considered to be a fraud and would be sent to special jails designed to make you work and force you to get off the drugs, get treatment for your mental illness, or get training. Repet offenders go to prison and get sterilized. Mom's who are on welfare and have more kids get sterilized.

9- repeal virtually all gun control and make firearms training mandatory for all able bodied adults.

-repeal all drug laws.

10- abolish corporations and make business owners directly accountable to the law. If your company breaks the law, you pay for it, not just the company.

-juries determine maximum sentences at trial, and judges only have the power to reduce from there, a thing which can be appealed

11- abolish life without parole, except as a form of clemency for capital crimes.

-maximum sentence of 20-life for all normal crimes. All violent felons are automatically given X-life sentences, where X is the minimum given by the jury.

-crimes like serial murder, rape, armed robbery, child abuse, being in organized crime, terrorism (if it causes death or serious injury), treason, large scale crimes of any sort (financial fraud of the sort that hit us in 08) or even attempting these things gets you a death sentence.

I could go on, but this is long as it is.

Hmmm...
1- Fuck the White Ethnostate. Ethnicities don't deserve to get state, neither do religious demographies. Only Nations and Cultures get states.
2- "Profit from war" is a retarded point of view. Nobody profits "from" war. Companies profit by selling weapons (Which is irrelevant with war) and States profit by winning wars (annexing regions with resources, etc.).
3- Any opposition to usury is an opposition to a functioning economy. High interest loans though? Yeah, agreed.
4- There's a reason licencing is necessary, and its necessarily so "harm people and society" doesn't happen. In particular in cases where that harm can be physical (i.e. food related industry)
5- Immigration should not be a concern of the state. People migrate to work. If an economy functions correctly, migration increases. Any opposition to immigration is heavy-handed interference with private affairs. ("Illegal immigration" similarly is a bullshit statement)
6- Fuck that fascistic eugenics point of view.
7- I'd say that's even more retarded than criminalizing marriage. Laws for private affairs of people are retarded. The state has no business deciding who I fuck (provided they're an adult human capable of giving and receiving consent).
8- You really really have no idea what welfare is, do you?
9- repeal gun control? Yeah. Make Gun ownership mandatory? Nah. Make training mandatory? Yeah, just replace religious classes with gun training.
10- That's retarded. "corporations" (a word which here means "legal person") are the halmark of modern civil and commerce law.
11- Abolishing life and long term imprisonment and capital punishment makes more sense imo.

[The Holy Therns]

I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.


If you believe that humanity is doomed, change it. If you believe that there is no tomorrow, then at least realize this: Our present decisions decide our future, and our future is guided by our past. Learn from yesterday, and use today to create a better tomorrow.

That said a whole lot of nothing.

Also hi everyone, I'm a democratic socialist.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.


If you believe that humanity is doomed, change it. If you believe that there is no tomorrow, then at least realize this: Our present decisions decide our future, and our future is guided by our past. Learn from yesterday, and use today to create a better tomorrow.

That said a whole lot of nothing.

Also hi everyone, I'm a democratic socialist.

*silently tosses another $20 into the "Democratic Socialist is actually a Social Democrat" betting pot*

[Hammer Britannia]

OK guys, here's my political ideology called "Hammer Britanniaism"

- Neither the people or the state have to follow any laws besides the below
- The police/people withhold the right to shoot each other for no reason what so ever
- Pineapple on Pizza is punishable by death
- No restrictions on any weapons whatsoever
- Everyone must worship me for at least 1 hour every day
- All politicians must wear shirts that proclaim their love for me

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

I am an anarcho-capitalist

AnCaps are just a meme.

[Hammer Britannia]

I am an anarcho-capitalist

AnCaps are just a meme.

>Says the guy more than -2.1 left on the political compass scale

I still agree, but at least don't be a hypocrite man

[East Angria]

It's an ideology of my own making. It is basically a type of fascism or National socialism, but fused with libertarianism and the sort of classical liberal ideas of the founding fathers of America. [...]

Congratulations, you have summed up my very personal vision of hell. At least you're aware that you're unapologetically advocating for fascism. Did somebody forget to tell you how the nazis were the bad guys though? I hope you still realize at some point the dystopian nature of your ideology and everything it produces.

Hmmm... [...]

Based Frievolk picking apart this inhumane nonsense.

[Hanafuridake]

Organic, folkish nationalism combined with futurism. The centralization of the nation-state has been both a blessing and a curse to the various national cultures. It has made communication between people of the same country more convenient, and provides a defense against a common threat. But it has negatively impacted different cultures, sometimes obliterating the languages of native cultures (Ainu, Ryukyuan, etc.) there's a need for national unity that respects the differences between the various localities and sees them as a source of strength instead of division.

[National utilitarian workers republic]

Messed up this one.

[National utilitarian workers republic]

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Hmmm...
1- Fuck the White Ethnostate. Ethnicities don't deserve to get state, neither do religious demographies. Only Nations and Cultures get states.
2- "Profit from war" is a retarded point of view. Nobody profits "from" war. Companies profit by selling weapons (Which is irrelevant with war) and States profit by winning wars (annexing regions with resources, etc.).
3- Any opposition to usury is an opposition to a functioning economy. High interest loans though? Yeah, agreed.
4- There's a reason licencing is necessary, and its necessarily so "harm people and society" doesn't happen. In particular in cases where that harm can be physical (i.e. food related industry)
5- Immigration should not be a concern of the state. People migrate to work. If an economy functions correctly, migration increases. Any opposition to immigration is heavy-handed interference with private affairs. ("Illegal immigration" similarly is a bullshit statement)
6- Fuck that fascistic eugenics point of view.
7- I'd say that's even more retarded than criminalizing marriage. Laws for private affairs of people are retarded. The state has no business deciding who I fuck (provided they're an adult human capable of giving and receiving consent).
8- You really really have no idea what welfare is, do you?
9- repeal gun control? Yeah. Make Gun ownership mandatory? Nah. Make training mandatory? Yeah, just replace religious classes with gun training.
10- That's retarded. "corporations" (a word which here means "legal person") are the halmark of modern civil and commerce law.
11- Abolishing life and long term imprisonment and capital punishment makes more sense imo.

1. But in my view nation, culture, race, and ethnicity are inextricably linked. To be a nationalist is to be, in some sense, a racial nationalist.

2. Nobody profits from war? Plenty of people do. That's why they lobby governments to go to war. Haliburton loved the Iraq war. Arms dealers and big banks loved the war. Mercenary orgs loved it too.

Plenty of people enjoy the blood money that comes from endless imperialism. And what do the American people get from it? 1000's of their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, or friends killed or disabled and trillions added to the national debt, something these disloyal international banksters don't have to worry about.

3. High interest loans are usury.

4. Licensing artificially limits competition this inflating prices. The free market can handle most of the problem, as customers will vote with their dollar, and where it doesn't, lawsuits, criminal cases, and proclamations by the government can solve the problem.

5. Immigrants bring crime, foreign cultures, poverty, and conflict. They may be beneficial in smaller doses. They displace the native population. Ask the native Americans how well thousands of immigrants coming in and setting up shop worked for them.

6. Not an argument.

7. Fucking ain't the issue. Don't care who you screw. Heck, I've argued against age of consent before (I prefer a standard of abuse. Let the jury decide if it's abuse. Basing it in age alone creates problems). Social cohesion and the well being of your children are the real issues. Adultery ruins families. It's a breach of contract and trust with your partner, and it causes trouble for society in the form of broken homes. Once you make a kid, as far as I'm concerned, you're married and your freedom to selfishly screw around goes out the window.

8. I grew up on it, so I kinda do. There are plenty who are on it and work, and just need a little more help. They're our brothers and sisters, so we owe it to them as a society. But then there are the good for nothings, the degenerates, the people who can't get their act together and are a burden on everyone else as a result. They're parasites, and they need to be punished.

10. Corporations are artificial. They insulate people from consequences. They enable the worst kinds of greed.

11. I reserve capital punishment for those who are truly iredeemable. If you go out and kill 10 people, yeah, I kind of don't think you can be rehabilitated and tend to think it's simpler just to end the problem permanently.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The closest to my ideology is when you take Austria down the soc dem Danubian Federation path

[El-Amin Caliphate]

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Hmmm...
1- Fuck the White Ethnostate. Ethnicities don't deserve to get state, neither do religious demographies. Only Nations and Cultures get states.
2- "Profit from war" is a retarded point of view. Nobody profits "from" war. Companies profit by selling weapons (Which is irrelevant with war) and States profit by winning wars (annexing regions with resources, etc.).
3- Any opposition to usury is an opposition to a functioning economy. High interest loans though? Yeah, agreed.
4- There's a reason licencing is necessary, and its necessarily so "harm people and society" doesn't happen. In particular in cases where that harm can be physical (i.e. food related industry)
5- Immigration should not be a concern of the state. People migrate to work. If an economy functions correctly, migration increases. Any opposition to immigration is heavy-handed interference with private affairs. ("Illegal immigration" similarly is a bullshit statement)
6- Fuck that fascistic eugenics point of view.
7- I'd say that's even more retarded than criminalizing marriage. Laws for private affairs of people are retarded. The state has no business deciding who I fuck (provided they're an adult human capable of giving and receiving consent).
8- You really really have no idea what welfare is, do you?
9- repeal gun control? Yeah. Make Gun ownership mandatory? Nah. Make training mandatory? Yeah, just replace religious classes with gun training.
10- That's retarded. "corporations" (a word which here means "legal person") are the halmark of modern civil and commerce law.
11- Abolishing life and long term imprisonment and capital punishment makes more sense imo.

1. But in my view nation, culture, race, and ethnicity are inextricably linked. To be a nationalist is to be, in some sense, a racial nationalist.

2. Nobody profits from war? Plenty of people do. That's why they lobby governments to go to war. Haliburton loved the Iraq war. Arms dealers and big banks loved the war. Mercenary orgs loved it too.

Plenty of people enjoy the blood money that comes from endless imperialism. And what do the American people get from it? 1000's of their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, or friends killed or disabled and trillions added to the national debt, something these disloyal international banksters don't have to worry about.

3. High interest loans are usury.

4. Licensing artificially limits competition this inflating prices. The free market can handle most of the problem, as customers will vote with their dollar, and where it doesn't, lawsuits, criminal cases, and proclamations by the government can solve the problem.

5. Immigrants bring crime, foreign cultures, poverty, and conflict. They may be beneficial in smaller doses. They displace the native population. Ask the native Americans how well thousands of immigrants coming in and setting up shop worked for them.

6. Not an argument.

7. Fu*king ain't the issue. Don't care who you screw. Heck, I've argued against age of consent before (I prefer a standard of abuse. Let the jury decide if it's abuse. Basing it in age alone creates problems). Social cohesion and the well being of your children are the real issues. Adultery ruins families. It's a breach of contract and trust with your partner, and it causes trouble for society in the form of broken homes. Once you make a kid, as far as I'm concerned, you're married and your freedom to selfishly screw around goes out the window.

8. I grew up on it, so I kinda do. There are plenty who are on it and work, and just need a little more help. They're our brothers and sisters, so we owe it to them as a society. But then there are the good for nothings, the degenerates, the people who can't get their act together and are a burden on everyone else as a result. They're parasites, and they need to be punished.

10. Corporations are artificial. They insulate people from consequences. They enable the worst kinds of greed.

11. I reserve capital punishment for those who are truly iredeemable. If you go out and kill 10 people, yeah, I kind of don't think you can be rehabilitated and tend to think it's simpler just to end the problem permanently.

I only agree with you on 2 and 3 (though all interest should be illegal, no matter how big or small).
As for 5, that's false, except for the foreign cultures thing, that's almost a non-issue. All the other stuff I'm just neutral on.
Edit: Actually I also agree with some of 7. Idk about 8, and agre with 11 on different terms.

[Frievolk]

1. But in my view nation, culture, race, and ethnicity are inextricably linked. To be a nationalist is to be, in some sense, a racial nationalist.

2. Nobody profits from war? Plenty of people do. That's why they lobby governments to go to war. Haliburton loved the Iraq war. Arms dealers and big banks loved the war. Mercenary orgs loved it too.

Plenty of people enjoy the blood money that comes from endless imperialism. And what do the American people get from it? 1000's of their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, or friends killed or disabled and trillions added to the national debt, something these disloyal international banksters don't have to worry about.

3. High interest loans are usury.

4. Licensing artificially limits competition this inflating prices. The free market can handle most of the problem, as customers will vote with their dollar, and where it doesn't, lawsuits, criminal cases, and proclamations by the government can solve the problem.

5. Immigrants bring crime, foreign cultures, poverty, and conflict. They may be beneficial in smaller doses. They displace the native population. Ask the native Americans how well thousands of immigrants coming in and setting up shop worked for them.

6. Not an argument.

7. Fucking ain't the issue. Don't care who you screw. Heck, I've argued against age of consent before (I prefer a standard of abuse. Let the jury decide if it's abuse. Basing it in age alone creates problems). Social cohesion and the well being of your children are the real issues. Adultery ruins families. It's a breach of contract and trust with your partner, and it causes trouble for society in the form of broken homes. Once you make a kid, as far as I'm concerned, you're married and your freedom to selfishly screw around goes out the window.

8. I grew up on it, so I kinda do. There are plenty who are on it and work, and just need a little more help. They're our brothers and sisters, so we owe it to them as a society. But then there are the good for nothings, the degenerates, the people who can't get their act together and are a burden on everyone else as a result. They're parasites, and they need to be punished.

10. Corporations are artificial. They insulate people from consequences. They enable the worst kinds of greed.

11. I reserve capital punishment for those who are truly iredeemable. If you go out and kill 10 people, yeah, I kind of don't think you can be rehabilitated and tend to think it's simpler just to end the problem permanently.

1- And in my opinion, a fish and a bicycle are the same. Nationality and Race are opposites. Culture has ties with both of them, but that's it. One can't be nationalist and ethnocentrist at the same time.
2- And despite what you might think, there are more reasons to go to war than "muh gun owners making the moolah".
3- They are not. Usury in the broadest sense is the very basic nature of banking. High risk loans require a larger incentive, without that a bank and thus the economy can't function.
4- Artificial Licencing (read: Licencing) does however ensure that the unqualified don't harm customers. The Free Market does less than what you might think.
5- Are you genuinely suggesting that "Comes with guns, cannons, and a large navy, builds cities, starts hitting natives when he decides his cities need to be larger and there should be more cities" Colonials were immigrants? Nope. the rest of what you said is just plain wrong and thus I won't respond to.
6- I wasn't arguing. One does not "Argue" with an argument as fascistic as "let's make sure undesirables can't have babies". One only mocks it and hits it with a stick.
7- And adultery that would be a good base for "if you commit adultery, your partner should have the right to divorce you.", because marriage is a private affair and no business of the state.
8- They indeed should not. Welfare is the duty of the government to anyone that is under its jurisdiction, and thus can not be taken away on the whims of fascists. Though, it is ironic, as most fascists are ardent supporters of the welfare state. How else can you keep the grays from dissenting better than by providing bread and circus?
10- And they're also the very basis of civil and commerce law. By abolishing corporations, you also abolish the idea of a modern state (because the identity of the Government, where law is concerned, is the same as that of a corporation; i.e. a legal person). If you accept "one specific type" of legal person, law requires that it is taken to rational conclusion, i.e. let corporations be created again.
11- And that has, historically and statistically, been proven only to make the problem worse.

[Arcturus Novus]

Y'all should just take the Kaiserreich meme path and become syndicalists, honestly.

[Frievolk]

Y'all should just take the Kaiserreich meme path and become syndicalists, honestly.

Totalist or nothing

[Technoscience Leftwing]

Technical progress, social equality, scientific atheism, emancipation, anti-nationalism, revolutionism. Lefwing values.
Factbook * Wiki * Constitution

[Arcturus Novus]

Y'all should just take the Kaiserreich meme path and become syndicalists, honestly.

Totalist or nothing

You're why we need party purges smh

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Technical progress, social equality, scientific atheism, emancipation, anti-nationalism, revolutionism. Lefwing values.
Factbook * Wiki * Constitution

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