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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:27 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:28 pm

Authoritarian Socialist. I’ve definitely become more revolutionary as of late as well
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Postby Highever » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:30 pm

Greater Saint-Paul wrote:Well monarchist b with a senate to help it. I think like this cuz my country was a beautiful and prosperous empire before, but then it all went to shin when the republic was installed, and to this day, it’s an absolute corrupt hellhole in politics and a poor infrastructure hellhole for the population (except the ones brainwashed thinking that the corrupt people are innocent). Really nothing gets done here, be it judgement, buildings, legislations, such I doubt would happen in a monarchy

I mean I dont see how giving one person absolute authority in the context of a nation needing to rebuild would somehow magically cause things to improve. If anything you'll have a single monolithic ruler who is corrupt and using the wealth of the nation for personal benefit and only worsening the situation.
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Authoritarian Socialist. I’ve definitely become more revolutionary as of late as well

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Postby Wohlstantia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:35 pm

I draw influences and stances from both sides of the political divide, but I'm definitely more authoritarian than libertarian.

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Greater Saint-Paul » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:40 pm

Highever wrote:
Greater Saint-Paul wrote:Well monarchist b with a senate to help it. I think like this cuz my country was a beautiful and prosperous empire before, but then it all went to shin when the republic was installed, and to this day, it’s an absolute corrupt hellhole in politics and a poor infrastructure hellhole for the population (except the ones brainwashed thinking that the corrupt people are innocent). Really nothing gets done here, be it judgement, buildings, legislations, such I doubt would happen in a monarchy

I mean I dont see how giving one person absolute authority in the context of a nation needing to rebuild would somehow magically cause things to improve. If anything you'll have a single monolithic ruler who is corrupt and using the wealth of the nation for personal benefit and only worsening the situation.

Well no, see nothing gets done because when a president rises to power, he wants to be remembered, so starts a project. 4 years is not so much time, so a new president rises w the same goals, so he stops the previous project to start his own, etc. in a monarchy, the king would have a full lifespan to complete projects+ the prince would be involved in them from the start, so he would have no interest in interrupting previous projects. As for corruption, you never know. It would depend on the education the king received as a child
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:42 pm

Greater Saint-Paul wrote:
Highever wrote:I mean I dont see how giving one person absolute authority in the context of a nation needing to rebuild would somehow magically cause things to improve. If anything you'll have a single monolithic ruler who is corrupt and using the wealth of the nation for personal benefit and only worsening the situation.

Well no, see nothing gets done because when a president rises to power, he wants to be remembered, so starts a project. 4 years is not so much time, so a new president rises w the same goals, so he stops the previous project to start his own, etc. in a monarchy, the king would have a full lifespan to complete projects+ the prince would be involved in them from the start, so he would have no interest in interrupting previous projects. As for corruption, you never know. It would depend on the education the king received as a child

This seems like a rather naive understanding about how political figures accomplish things.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:43 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Authoritarian Socialist. I’ve definitely become more revolutionary as of late as well

Your sig needs updating.

Ya I know. Honestly I really don’t care about it anymore
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Postby Xmara » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:45 pm

Centrist, I guess? I’m just not really sure where I stand politically tbh. I agree with the left on some things and the right on other things.
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Postby Thomas More » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Greater Saint-Paul wrote:Well monarchist b with a senate to help it. I think like this cuz my country was a beautiful and prosperous empire before, but then it all went to shin when the republic was installed, and to this day, it’s an absolute corrupt hellhole in politics and a poor infrastructure hellhole for the population (except the ones brainwashed thinking that the corrupt people are innocent). Really nothing gets done here, be it judgement, buildings, legislations, such I doubt would happen in a monarchy

Sounds like Brazil

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Postby Page » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:55 pm

In the broadest terms possible, I'm a left-libertarian. To get more specific, I am a philosophical anarchist and extremely anti-authoritarian, and I view libertarian social democracy as the least problematic form of a state.
I am a libertarian socialist.
I am ungovernable.
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Postby Highever » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:55 pm

Greater Saint-Paul wrote:
Highever wrote:I mean I dont see how giving one person absolute authority in the context of a nation needing to rebuild would somehow magically cause things to improve. If anything you'll have a single monolithic ruler who is corrupt and using the wealth of the nation for personal benefit and only worsening the situation.

Well no, see nothing gets done because when a president rises to power, he wants to be remembered, so starts a project. 4 years is not so much time, so a new president rises w the same goals, so he stops the previous project to start his own, etc. in a monarchy, the king would have a full lifespan to complete projects+ the prince would be involved in them from the start, so he would have no interest in interrupting previous projects. As for corruption, you never know. It would depend on the education the king received as a child

It still seems like you are banking on one leader wielding absolute power to wield a scepter and simply wave all of the problems away. While a corrupt system can very well be a major problem in development, the issues do not just evaporate by calling someone a king and putting a crown on his head. If anything it causes more problems with that form of government. Basically my point is, picking some person and proclaiming him to be a new royal is not going to fix all of the issues a nation is facing like you seem to think it will, and create an efficient and productive government.
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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:57 pm

Social democrat in economics (Although tests have often placed me as ''socialist'', for some reason), but kinda conservative socially. (More liberal than average conservative, though) Ohh, and pretty much a supporter of environmentalists, and a staunch anti-monarchist.
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Postby Thomas More » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:57 pm

Xmara wrote:Centrist, I guess? I’m just not really sure where I stand politically tbh. I agree with the left on some things and the right on other things.

http://political-test.com/ has a decent test for political type (monarchy, nationalism, fascism, socialism, etc.)

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en is great for alignment (totalitarian vs libertarian, economic liberal vs economic conservative)

Economically, I tend more centrist. I swing hard to the libertarian side when it comes to civil liberties. Government-wise, monarchism, particularly enlightened absolutism, is where I stand.

I should be able to do basically anything without infringing on the rights of others. I believe most people have no place in politics, though, for their own good.

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Postby Xmara » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:58 pm

Thomas More wrote:
Xmara wrote:Centrist, I guess? I’m just not really sure where I stand politically tbh. I agree with the left on some things and the right on other things.

http://political-test.com/ has a decent test for political type (monarchy, nationalism, fascism, socialism, etc.)

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/en is great for alignment (totalitarian vs libertarian, economic liberal vs economic conservative)

Economically, I tend more centrist. I swing hard to the libertarian side when it comes to civil liberties. Government-wise, monarchism, particularly enlightened absolutism, is where I stand.

I should be able to do basically anything without infringing on the rights of others. I believe most people have no place in politics, though, for their own good.


I’ve taken political tests before. You can see my results in my About section in my sig.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Lolington » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:00 pm

My leaders have a monarchy everything else is democracy
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:09 pm

Well, I guess I’ll repost my statement from the previous thread...


I'm slightly inclined towards authoritarianism, or at the very least rather wary towards radical individualism. Perhaps a useful term would be "benign authoritarianism"? Again, it's somewhat difficult to explain, and I apologize if I'm doing a poor job. I'm not in favor of an autocratic structuring of society, instead favoring a sort of "open anocracy" organized according to vaguely technocratic principles; in essence, a powerful (and some would say nigh-omnipotent) bureaucracy would govern the state and pragmatically guide the citizenry toward peace, productivity, and prosperity.
"While the hand of the state may be made of iron, it wouldn't be a fist to strike the people, but rather an open palm to uplift them." is a decent quote to describe it.

I'm also in favor of increased internationalism, but not the abolition of the state; rather, I seek a "world state" to bring about peace, justice, and brotherhood among all; an end to "tribal"/"reptile brain" mentalities is vital for the continued survival of human civilization, and the world state should work to set a good example for the citizenry by cultivating a sense of civic duty and virtue.

While the day-to-day task of administrating and managing and overseeing the World State would fall to the "technostructure", the citizenry can still call for referenda in order to implement policy. Indeed, such referenda would be encouraged, for doing so is exercising one's duty and responsibility as a citizen.

TL;DR A "benevolent authoritarian/open anocratic" techno-bureaucracy with some direct democratic elements to allow a degree of popular participation in the processes of government would be my ideal system.

On Religion and Society
Religious institutions play a valuable role in the teaching of moral philosophy to the masses via allegory, and they also play a valuable role in cultivating a sense of universal brotherhood/compassion among believers, thus fostering a greater sense of societal harmony; these, as I've stated before, are great things. However, as I've also stated:

  • I find the concept of "divine intervention" to be... and please pardon me if I seem impolite... absurd, tbh... my theological views are closest to a deistic perspective.
  • While religion is useful in teaching moral philosophy... sometimes the value system being taught is harmful or (in the case of the Abrahamic faiths) contains some harmful aspects, even if the overall value system is beneficial and benevolent.

Now, clearly rite and ritual foster social cohesion, which keeps society stable and orderly. However, the aforementioned problems still remain. So what is to be done? Now, while beneficial and benevolent moral philosophy and cultivation of virtuous conduct can most certainly exist without the need for a deity (for compassion needs no divine sanction in order to be valuable) from my observations the masses need something greater than themselves in order to transcend their base and cruel desires and achieve magnanimity and humaneness of word/thought/deed. I propose that the state can fill this role rather nicely, and that the exercising of one's civic duties can fulfill the self-transcendent religious impulse that exists in the emotional aspects of our natures.


TL;DR While I find the notion of divine revelation and "miracles" to be a load of dingoes kidneys, I recognize that religion is, overall, of tremendous benefit when exercised properly.


Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? I apologize if I’ve been impolite in any way... :unsure:
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Democratic Socialists

Postby United States of Natan » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:15 pm

I'm a progressive who's ideology is sort of inbetween traditional liberalism and far leftist views like socialism (sort of the middle of the left side of the spectrum, if you get what I mean)
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Capitalist Paradise

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:22 pm

Social Democrat who loves the Nordic model.
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Postby Thomas More » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:37 pm

Jolthig wrote:Social Democrat who loves the Nordic model.

What is it about the Nordic countries that allows socialism to work? I think it may have something to do with their cultural homogenity, but it's hard to tell.

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Postby Crylante » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:48 pm

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:50 pm

Thomas More wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Social Democrat who loves the Nordic model.

What is it about the Nordic countries that allows socialism to work? I think it may have something to do with their cultural homogenity, but it's hard to tell.

Well, I dont really consider the nordic model "socialist". It definitely has socialist roots as Beinstein was a reformist Marxist, but later social Democrat movements became more capitalistic and leaning mixed economy.

The Nordic cultures in part, contribute to the success of the Nordic model, but nations like Denmark, are quite open to business as well, while giving every worker who lives there, their fair share of paid vacations when needed.
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