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Conservative
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Republican
5
3%
Authortarian
11
6%
Liberal
23
14%
Libertarian
17
10%
National Socialist
12
7%
Fascist
10
6%
Neo-Liberal
4
2%
Anarchist
15
9%
Other/apolitical
46
27%
 
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Little Jim P
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Postby Little Jim P » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:16 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Little Jim P wrote:
True. Unfortunately many have a blind spot when it comes to history.

I know, and it's very irritating when people claim that the ideology is misunderstood or worse promote the socialist no-true-scotsman of "not real socialism".


Let's try it again. It'll work this time, We promise. :rofl:
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The Galactic Supremacy
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Postby The Galactic Supremacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:18 pm

I've always been fond of classical liberal or neoliberal thought, especially some of their economic theories that revolve around free-markets or Georgism. Despite being a staunch individualist, I have always believed basic morality should always be maintained in a society, either by minimal State interference or as a culture, if that society is to mature as a civilization.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:18 pm

Little Jim P wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I know, and it's very irritating when people claim that the ideology is misunderstood or worse promote the socialist no-true-scotsman of "not real socialism".


Let's try it again. It'll work this time, We promise. :rofl:

At least socialist states lasted longer than the libertarian ones
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:20 pm

Berhakonia wrote:Just and Orthodox guy looking for something greater in monarchism

Don't think that is going to happen though, as the old phrase rings true "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
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The Galactic Supremacy
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Postby The Galactic Supremacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:21 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Little Jim P wrote:
Let's try it again. It'll work this time, We promise. :rofl:

At least socialist states lasted longer than the libertarian ones

Libertarian states (those that tended towards it)were also freer, by any measure, if compared to any Communist or socialist government ever conceived in history.
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A nation founded purely on Islam, dedicated to the uplifting of the righteous individual, and the formation of a moral, free, and intellectual society.
A federation of various states and territories, differing in levels of autonomy, organized as a caliphate, in a republican model, spanning the Local Group.
A 4.3 civilization, according to this index.

"Almost a libertarian."
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Little Jim P wrote:
Let's try it again. It'll work this time, We promise. :rofl:

At least socialist states lasted longer than the libertarian ones

Full on Libertarianism hasn't even been tried yet, so I don't see how you have come to that conclusion.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:23 pm

The Galactic Supremacy wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:At least socialist states lasted longer than the libertarian ones

Libertarian states were also freer, by any measure, if compared to any Communist or socialist government ever conceived in history.

And? They still didn’t last long before someone got power hungry as is human nature
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:23 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:At least socialist states lasted longer than the libertarian ones

Libertarianism hasn't even been tried yet, so I don't see how you have come to that conclusion.

Just like socialism hasn’t been tried?
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:24 pm

Social democracy
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Libertarianism hasn't even been tried yet, so I don't see how you have come to that conclusion.

Just like socialism hasn’t been tried?

No, socialism has been tried a lot, and it failed numerous times. China, Soviet Union, North Korea, etc.
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Little Jim P
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Postby Little Jim P » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Galactic Supremacy wrote:Libertarian states were also freer, by any measure, if compared to any Communist or socialist government ever conceived in history.

And? They still didn’t last long before someone got power hungry as is human nature


Socialism itself is based on that nature. In an ideal world, we would exist in a state of pure anarchy. Unfortunately we do not live in such a world.
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Frostnia
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Postby Frostnia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:32 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Galactic Supremacy wrote:Libertarian states were also freer, by any measure, if compared to any Communist or socialist government ever conceived in history.

And? They still didn’t last long before someone got power hungry as is human nature

This. This is why, despite having some Libertarian sympathies, I'm against it as a ruling ideology. To be fair, though, I can't really think of a truly Libertarian state in world history
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:34 pm

Minarchist, individualist, western legal and philosophical supremacist.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:36 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Just like socialism hasn’t been tried?

No, socialism has been tried a lot, and it failed numerous times. China, Soviet Union, North Korea, etc.

I’m mocking you dude for claiming that Libertarianism hasn’t been tried. Libertarians and socialists fall into the same trap.
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>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
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Little Jim P
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Postby Little Jim P » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, socialism has been tried a lot, and it failed numerous times. China, Soviet Union, North Korea, etc.

I’m mocking you dude for claiming that Libertarianism hasn’t been tried. Libertarians and socialists fall into the same trap.


Where has it been tried?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:41 pm

Little Jim P wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m mocking you dude for claiming that Libertarianism hasn’t been tried. Libertarians and socialists fall into the same trap.


Where has it been tried?

Somalia. Also depends on your definition of libertarianism. If we expand it to include left libertarianism we can add the revolutionary states of the 1918-1920s in Europe.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Little Jim P wrote:
Where has it been tried?

Somalia. Also depends on your definition of libertarianism. If we expand it to include left libertarianism we can add the revolutionary states of the 1918-1920s in Europe.

1. Right-libertarianism is not the same as left-libertarianism.
2. Somalia has no government, and very few libertarians support the complete abolition of government; even so, Somalia was not designed to be a libertarian experiment.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:48 pm

My politics are constantly in flux but as of late, I'm awfully impressed by National Socialism. I think that if I cherry pick from it the portions I see as good and discard the portions of the ideology which are less pragmatic or bad, that the end result will be a police state I could like.

Only with dictatorial power or influence within an inner circle (and ideally with nukes out of the picture) can the military campaigns I crave eventually be brought about. A lot of people would want the chance to become a Napoleon in their own right.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:04 am

Saiwania wrote:My politics are constantly in flux but as of late, I'm awfully impressed by National Socialism. I think that if I cherry pick from it the portions I see as good and discard the portions of the ideology which are less pragmatic or bad, that the end result will be a police state I could like.

Only with dictatorial power or influence within an inner circle (and ideally with nukes out of the picture) can the military campaigns I crave eventually be brought about. A lot of people would want the chance to become a Napoleon in their own right.

Who's on your invasion and genocide hit list?
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:09 am

The Black Party wrote:Fourth Positionism

What is Fourth Positionism?

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Postby Dresderstan » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:10 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Little Jim P wrote:
Where has it been tried?

Somalia. Also depends on your definition of libertarianism. If we expand it to include left libertarianism we can add the revolutionary states of the 1918-1920s in Europe.

Civil War Anarchy lasting for decades /=/ Libertarianism
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:15 am

Liberated Communist States wrote:
The Black Party wrote:Fourth Positionism

What is Fourth Positionism?

http://4pt.su/
http://www.4pt.su/en/content/fourth-pol ... t-and-left
It seems to be a hybrid of Far-left and Far-right authoritarianism, and it is very fascistic in nature. The websites I linked seem to describe the ideology.
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Saiwania
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:19 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Who's on your invasion and genocide hit list?


No genocides. I want to try to find a use for people in empire building. What I'm envisioning is a Crusade, a serious play for the Holy Lands and entire Middle East; with the most modern of weaponry and grandest armies in scale, fielded. To defeat political Islam. Asides from maybe Pakistan, my hunch is that formerly Christian lands can be taken back by force of arms for real this time.

The Muslims might've had the advantage in the middle ages, but now that the advantage is with majority non-Muslim countries, it is time to reverse the losses if possible, especially given that many Muslim nations still try to covertly attack the non-Muslim world via invasions disguised as immigration and other schemes people just aren't aware of- like the funding of Madrassas.

A ton can be done besides just capturing Jerusalem, such as the retaking of Constantinople and the rest of Cyprus.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:21 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Just like socialism hasn’t been tried?

No, socialism has been tried a lot, and it failed numerous times. China, Soviet Union, North Korea, etc.


Marxism-Leninism sucks anyways.

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Postby Page » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:18 am

Saiwania wrote:A ton can be done besides just capturing Jerusalem, such as the retaking of Constantinople and the rest of Cyprus.


Yes, a ton can be done, specifically you will give birth to the most violent insurgency the world has ever seen. When peoples' homes are occupied, they tend to kill the occupiers.
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