What is your political ideology

[Novacambria]

Democratic socialist

Are you an actual socialist or not?

I am a socialist. I believe socialism can be achieved through democratic means.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

The word you're looking for is "Social Democrat", which is the whole "Capitalism, but with a wealth net and high taxes".

Democratic Socialism is when the workers own the means of production under a democratic state

I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.

I am a socialist. I believe socialism can be achieved through democratic means.

(X) Doubt

[Hammer Britannia]

The word you're looking for is "Social Democrat", which is the whole "Capitalism, but with a wealth net and high taxes".

Democratic Socialism is when the workers own the means of production under a democratic state

I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.

I am a socialist. I believe socialism can be achieved through democratic means.

(X) Doubt

Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period

[Telconi]

I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.

(X) Doubt

Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period

But muh world-wide revolution!

[Nordengrund]

Georgism.

Welcome to the club.

[Vallermoore]

In terms of who I vote for, Labour.

In my inner self, sovereign citizenship.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.

(X) Doubt

Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period

That would be libertarian socialism, which has consistently failed everywhere that wasn’t a war zone. Kronstadt, Makhnovia, the CNT-FAI, etc...all rose during periods of civil war and got instantly crushed the minute that the gun barrel turned towards ‘em (and all of them got yeeted by fellow socialists).

Authoritarian socialism has had more noticeable successes, albeit not without many flaws.

[North German Realm]

Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period

That would be libertarian socialism, which has consistently failed everywhere that wasn’t a war zone. Kronstadt, Makhnovia, the CNT-FAI, etc...all rose during periods of civil war and got instantly crushed the minute that the gun barrel turned towards ‘em (and all of them got yeeted by fellow socialists).

Authoritarian socialism has had more noticeable successes, albeit not without many flaws.

Authoritarian States with Workplace Democracy (Actual Socialism regardless of the existence of the state) are even rarer than successful attempts of Libertarian Socialism tho

[Free Arabian Nation]

The one that works

So you’re not a fascist

Yes

[Eglaecia]

I'm a left-wing Christian Democrat. Basically, a more capitalism and globalisation sceptical Adenauer.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So you’re not a fascist

Yes

Well I quit

[Cekoviu]

I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.

(X) Doubt

Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period

Thanks to capitalism.

[Meikaii]

Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.

Not every politician is intelligent or benevolent.[/quote]

Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.

Because the people in power won't totally create their own truth to justify their atrocities, and suppress whistle blowers.

Clearly you both did not understand the first statement. An ideology of merit-based geniocracy automatically removes unintelligent and malevolent people from the pool, thereby rendering both of your points moot. You'd be surprised what fascist benevolence can do, culling those with ill intentions...

[The National Salvation Front for Russia]

"Benevolent" and "Intelligent" politicians are exceedingly rare. I can only bring up a few examples, Huey Long standing foremost.

Otherwise politicians will always look out for numero uno. Politicians and merit rarely go together.

[Cekoviu]

"Benevolent" and "Intelligent" politicians are exceedingly rare. I can only bring up a few examples, Huey Long standing foremost.

Otherwise politicians will always look out for numero uno. Politicians and merit rarely go together.

While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.

[Ginicun]

"Benevolent" and "Intelligent" politicians are exceedingly rare. I can only bring up a few examples, Huey Long standing foremost.

Otherwise politicians will always look out for numero uno. Politicians and merit rarely go together.

While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.

i believe there are only 2 genders. change my view

[Byzconia]

First of all,You said you'd remain skeptical until there was a real world example (unless there was another post before that one I didn't see, in that case, my apologies). That's different than getting policy specific, which is what you did in this last post. Wording was the issue here.
Second of all,90% of this last part seems irrelevant. We're not debating any of those topics. I brought corporate taxes up as an example. Debate about corporate taxes or healthcare wasn't on the agenda.

Wut. I was pointing out examples where Libertarian (or quasi-Libertarian) policies were implemented and failed. Don't see how that's not relevant. I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.

Third of all, you don't get to tell us whether these latest tax cuts are our wet dream or not. You don't know the ideology enough. The LP actually went on record saying the party is against the cuts.

Except according to your own link, they support the tax cuts--their issue is that there wasn't a corresponding cut to federal spending. Did you not read your own link before posting it?

Fourth of all, no really. Why go into such heavy detail explaining why you believe what you do on those issues? That wasn't the discussion. Literally the only thing you had to say was, "I didn't really mean real world examples of utopias, I meant real world examples of successful policy implementation."

"No really," your argument makes no fucking sense. You're upset about the fact that I pointed out IRL policy implementation instead of engaging in a discussion with you about an imaginary Libertarian utopia that could never physically happen? Why the fuck would I want to do?

[Byzconia]

I know, I’m just asking because there are a lot of ‘socialists’ that are against the principles of socialism. Social democracy in its current definition strengthens capitalism and makes democratic socialism look totally unnecessary.

(X) Doubt

Socialism can't be achieved outside of shitty communes any bigger than 2000 people period

Socialism =/= communism.

[Byzconia]

Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.

Not every politician is intelligent or benevolent.

Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.

Because the people in power won't totally create their own truth to justify their atrocities, and suppress whistle blowers.

Clearly you both did not understand the first statement. An ideology of merit-based geniocracy automatically removes unintelligent and malevolent people from the pool, thereby rendering both of your points moot. You'd be surprised what fascist benevolence can do, culling those with ill intentions...[/quote]
And how exactly does it do that, mate?

[Cekoviu]

While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.

i believe there are only 2 genders. change my view

Uh, how is that at all related to my post?

[Lamoni]

While I understand your trepidation regarding declaring politicians as benevolent, I strongly disagree that politicians are not usually intelligent. Vladimir Putin, for example, definitely does not have good intentions, but it would be hard to argue that he's dumb.

i believe there are only 2 genders. change my view

How about we change your rule-breaking behavior, instead?

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[Ginicun]

THIS was fun.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

i believe there are only 2 genders. change my view

Uh, how is that at all related to my post?

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Nice bio.

I’ve probably said this before on here, but people like Bernie Sanders and AOC aren’t really “socialists”- they’re just appropriating the label to shift the philosophical Overton window.

[The Liberated Territories]

These days, a form of market anarchism, although I've bounced back and forth from left wing market anarchism to its more right wing (i.e. rothbardian) forms.

[The Feylands]

I like to think of myself as a Green Liberal Conservative. Or something along those lines. But I’m not much for following strict rules and arcane principles all the time. So I’m probably mostly a pragmatic.

(On som kind of essensialist/holistic ehh... foundation. Who thinks that the man, Machiavelli, had some neat things to say. )