Also, "something something bourgeois democracy."
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by Byzconia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:42 pm
by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:51 pm
Byzconia wrote:"Winning an argument" is how you win people to your cause. Marx himself argued that it was the duty of Communists to proselytize to the working class and propagandize at every opportunity.
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by VoVoDoCo » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:58 pm
Nordengrund wrote:VoVoDoCo wrote:I'm kind of a novice when it comes to Georgism. Most of my readings, while all being secondary sources, have been very convincing. I still want to read some unique primary materials first though.
Socially I'm as Libertarian as it gets.
Same here. I’m more of a Geolibertarian than anything else, but I’m slightly more conserbative on social issues. I’m pro-life on abortion, but I see both sides of the capital punishment debate.
by VoVoDoCo » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:59 pm
Unithonia wrote:Right-Leaning Capitalist Libertarian-Legalist. Although after doing some research Georgism is an interesting economic system, and something I may pursue in the futureVoVoDoCo wrote:I'm kind of a novice when it comes to Georgism. Most of my readings, while all being secondary sources, have been very convincing. I still want to read some unique primary materials first though.
Socially I'm as Libertarian as it gets.
Have you found any good primary sources?
Unithonia wrote:Nordengrund wrote:
Same here. I’m more of a Geolibertarian than anything else, but I’m slightly more conserbative on social issues. I’m pro-life on abortion, but I see both sides of the capital punishment debate.
I honestly can't see a good libertarian being pro-life...
Although we are not required to follow every teaching of the political system we believe in. Hence why I am a Libertarian-Legalist, rather than a normal Libertarian
by Byzconia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:03 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Byzconia wrote:"Winning an argument" is how you win people to your cause. Marx himself argued that it was the duty of Communists to proselytize to the working class and propagandize at every opportunity.
Communism is not a cause. It is theory and praxis (practice). People need emancipation, not convincing.
by Uiiop » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:06 pm
Byzconia wrote:Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
No, because there are more important things to do. Winning an argument is not a part of the communist struggle. If people want to find out about communism, there are plenty of resources for that.
"Winning an argument" is how you win people to your cause. Marx himself argued that it was the duty of Communists to proselytize to the working class and propagandize at every opportunity.
by Liberated Communist States » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:13 pm
by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 pm
Byzconia wrote:"Who cares what the working class actually wants, we'll tell them what they want, whether they like it or not." And here we have the reason why one-party communist rule failed miserably.
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by Helensburgh » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:30 pm
VoVoDoCo wrote:Unithonia wrote:Right-Leaning Capitalist Libertarian-Legalist. Although after doing some research Georgism is an interesting economic system, and something I may pursue in the future
Have you found any good primary sources?
On Poverty and Progess is a must read. I haven't managed to get my hands on it. Probably An Amazon thing.Unithonia wrote:I honestly can't see a good libertarian being pro-life...
Although we are not required to follow every teaching of the political system we believe in. Hence why I am a Libertarian-Legalist, rather than a normal Libertarian
It's tough, but not impossible. It usually is either:
- They were conservatives first, and only then experiencing political shift.
- They interpret the NAP differently, which is why the NAP has very little place in political thought imho anyway.
by Byzconia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:39 pm
Uiiop wrote:Byzconia wrote:"Winning an argument" is how you win people to your cause. Marx himself argued that it was the duty of Communists to proselytize to the working class and propagandize at every opportunity.
Tbf internet fourm discourse is a shit(Not in the sense of being 100% impossible to convince people but still) place and a shit method to win people over. I'm not sure Marx would say opportunities are always there.
by Byzconia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:42 pm
I also do not believe in one-party communist rule.
by Meikaii » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:52 pm
by VoVoDoCo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:02 am
Helensburgh wrote:VoVoDoCo wrote:On Poverty and Progess is a must read. I haven't managed to get my hands on it. Probably An Amazon thing.
It's tough, but not impossible. It usually is either:
- They were conservatives first, and only then experiencing political shift.
- They interpret the NAP differently, which is why the NAP has very little place in political thought imho anyway.
An abridged edition of Progress and Poverty was free for a few weeks from the Robert Schalkenbach Foundation, which I got my hands on and made some friends order too. Even though it is abridged, it was a real treasure to read. George is a brilliant author and thinker, P&P is definitely worth paying for, and even though I have my free copy I will try and purchase an old, unabridged edition at some point.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:24 am
Byzconia wrote:No, it's just the logical conclusion of your argument. Education is how you emancipate the working class.
Yet you're using literally the same argument they did to justify their rule.
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by The National Salvation Front for Russia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:37 am
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:47 am
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Communists can't prove that their ideology is superior, because it is not.
No, because there are more important things to do. Winning an argument is not a part of the communist struggle. If people want to find out about communism, there are plenty of resources for that.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:58 am
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Communists can't prove that their ideology is superior, because it is not.
No, because there are more important things to do. Winning an argument is not a part of the communist struggle. If people want to find out about communism, there are plenty of resources for that.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:30 am
Byzconia wrote:one-party communist rule
Meikaii wrote:Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.
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by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:31 am
Meikaii wrote:Fascism inspired, merit based geniocracy. It is the government's job, when rooted purely in fact, to eliminate falsehoods through whatever means necessary. By virtue of the politicans being benevolent and intelligent, there is little need for opposition; it can be said that any oppostion to decency, intelligence, reason, and a higher standard of living is definitively an oppressor which should be stamped out as soon as possible.
by Nordengrund » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:23 am
VoVoDoCo wrote:Unithonia wrote:Right-Leaning Capitalist Libertarian-Legalist. Although after doing some research Georgism is an interesting economic system, and something I may pursue in the future
Have you found any good primary sources?
On Poverty and Progess is a must read. I haven't managed to get my hands on it. Probably An Amazon thing.Unithonia wrote:I honestly can't see a good libertarian being pro-life...
Although we are not required to follow every teaching of the political system we believe in. Hence why I am a Libertarian-Legalist, rather than a normal Libertarian
It's tough, but not impossible. It usually is either:
- They were conservatives first, and only then experiencing political shift.
- They interpret the NAP differently, which is why the NAP has very little place in political thought imho anyway.
by The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:00 pm
The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:I've reached the point where I think that political ideology isn't worth a shit to everyone in power. In governance and politics, the only things that matter is to stay in power and become better off.
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.
The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:01 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I don't want any part of any ideology in which winning an argument is not a part of its struggle.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:02 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Why? Is suppressing your opponents more desirable in your ideology?
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by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:54 pm
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