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What is your political ideology?

Conservative
33
17%
Republican
5
3%
Authortarian
11
6%
Liberal
24
13%
Libertarian
22
12%
National Socialist
13
7%
Fascist
10
5%
Neo-Liberal
4
2%
Anarchist
17
9%
Other/apolitical
52
27%
 
Total votes : 191

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Neihchfer
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Posts: 34
Founded: Jan 05, 2019
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Postby Neihchfer » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:34 am

Unithonia wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
You could define libertarianism as people being able to do whatever they want as long as they are nor hurting anyone, but some people would consider performing an abortion as harming someone.

True

But in some cases, the child could potentially harm the mother, so there's always that. Plus, the woman may not have wanted the baby. So we need to protect a woman's right to choose

If it's dangerous for the mother, fine. But if a baby is killed just because the mother doesn't want one, that's not fine. Christ, I don't know about you, but that seems really irresponsible.
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Liberated Communist States
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Posts: 56
Founded: May 25, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Liberated Communist States » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:45 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:It’s hard to blame them. They still get called Nazis by *ssholes and they’ve put the most effort possible to stop this. What we need is to recognize Germany is a new country. We need to accept their apology and have democratic nations strongly approve of them having power.

While we need to forgive them, they also need to forgive themselves to a certain degree. If the police are too politically correct to solve crime, then that is a massive problem, and they need to get their act together.

They may not be Nazis themselves, but they are a Liberal Democracy.. which are corrupt and decadent.

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Cekoviu
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Posts: 16954
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:41 am

Liberated Communist States wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:While we need to forgive them, they also need to forgive themselves to a certain degree. If the police are too politically correct to solve crime, then that is a massive problem, and they need to get their act together.

They may not be Nazis themselves, but they are a Liberal Democracy.. which are corrupt and decadent.

I am the queen of decadence. Liberal democracies are not decadent.
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Nordengrund
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7531
Founded: Jun 20, 2012
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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:19 pm

Unithonia wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
You could define libertarianism as people being able to do whatever they want as long as they are nor hurting anyone, but some people would consider performing an abortion as harming someone.

True

But in some cases, the child could potentially harm the mother, so there's always that. Plus, the woman may not have wanted the baby. So we need to protect a woman's right to choose


Many of even the most ardently pro-life still think there should be exceptions. These exceptions vary depending on the individilual, but those that do think there should be excpsropms believe the wan should have the final say when the mother’s life is at risk, as the bare minimum, while other extend it to cases of rape and/or incest.
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Tobleste
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Posts: 2713
Founded: Dec 27, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tobleste » Wed Feb 13, 2019 12:31 pm

Social Democrat. I think different ideologies have different effects and the ideal approach depends on the problems society faces at that time. Looking at the worlds current problems (e.g. climate change, inequality, racism, sexism) a centre left approach makes sense as the right is less willing to tackle those issues. If I was more concerned by immigration, Muslims, women's rights and/or "political correctness" then a centre right approach would make more sense.
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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:32 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Unithonia wrote:True

But in some cases, the child could potentially harm the mother, so there's always that. Plus, the woman may not have wanted the baby. So we need to protect a woman's right to choose


Many of even the most ardently pro-life still think there should be exceptions. These exceptions vary depending on the individilual, but those that do think there should be excpsropms believe the wan should have the final say when the mother’s life is at risk, as the bare minimum, while other extend it to cases of rape and/or incest.

And the ultimate effect of these excpsropms is that wen who are affected by the situations mentioned here will endure further trauma in attempting to justify their case. There's no way that in a realistic scenario, the government would simply believe a vague statement of "I was raped." Forcing a detailed statement and causing victims to relive their trauma is a hallmark of government-based resolutions to problems like these. This is an excellent example.
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United Muscovite Nations
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 25657
Founded: Feb 01, 2017
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:51 pm

Unithonia wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
You could define libertarianism as people being able to do whatever they want as long as they are nor hurting anyone, but some people would consider performing an abortion as harming someone.

True

But in some cases, the child could potentially harm the mother, so there's always that. Plus, the woman may not have wanted the baby. So we need to protect a woman's right to choose

Even if the woman didn't want her child, a parent has a duty to care for their child.
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Founded: Jun 13, 2018
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:54 pm

Liberated Communist States wrote:They may not be Nazis themselves, but they are a Liberal Democracy.. which are corrupt and decadent.

The point of a liberal democracy is to serve the people by governmental means. If the people want to or should have something, they will get in eventually. Corruption and decadence are products of flawed democracies falling short. Liberal democracy is basically the least bad government form. It can exist under a variety of ideologies.
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Liberated Communist States
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Posts: 56
Founded: May 25, 2017
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:08 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Liberated Communist States wrote:They may not be Nazis themselves, but they are a Liberal Democracy.. which are corrupt and decadent.

The point of a liberal democracy is to serve the people by governmental means. If the people want to or should have something, they will get in eventually. Corruption and decadence are products of flawed democracies falling short. Liberal democracy is basically the least bad government form. It can exist under a variety of ideologies.

Many ideologies claim to serve the people. Socialism, Fascism, Anarchism, Capitalism...

Liberalism is an idea of equality within Capitalism essentially, which as we know has not worked because of Capitalism's inherent contradictions.

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Founded: Jun 13, 2018
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:46 pm

Liberated Communist States wrote:Many ideologies claim to serve the people. Socialism, Fascism, Anarchism, Capitalism...

Liberalism is an idea of equality within Capitalism essentially, which as we know has not worked because of Capitalism's inherent contradictions.

Which are?
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Liberated Communist States
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Posts: 56
Founded: May 25, 2017
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:02 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Liberated Communist States wrote:Many ideologies claim to serve the people. Socialism, Fascism, Anarchism, Capitalism...

Liberalism is an idea of equality within Capitalism essentially, which as we know has not worked because of Capitalism's inherent contradictions.

Which are?

Dear Gods, not this question again...

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Greater vakolicci haven
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Posts: 18661
Founded: May 09, 2014
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:20 pm

I can't think of an issue we face as a society that could not be solved by the end of the world.
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Liberated Communist States
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Founded: May 25, 2017
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:23 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I can't think of an issue we face as a society that could not be solved by the end of the world.

Well that's morbid...

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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Posts: 2518
Founded: Jun 13, 2018
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:25 pm

Liberated Communist States wrote:Dear Gods, not this question again...

Why? Can you not answer why capitalism has to be bad?
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Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Liberated Communist States
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Founded: May 25, 2017
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:38 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:
Liberated Communist States wrote:Dear Gods, not this question again...

Why? Can you not answer why capitalism has to be bad?

I can, it would just take awhile.

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Brittany Normandy Aquitaine
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 196
Founded: Feb 01, 2018
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Postby Brittany Normandy Aquitaine » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:43 pm

Republican

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Posts: 6942
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:45 pm

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The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord
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Posts: 6282
Founded: Jul 22, 2016
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:46 pm

Brittany Normandy Aquitaine wrote:Republican


Please pardon my impoliteness, but may you please be more specific?
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The Galactic Liberal Democracy
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Founded: Jun 13, 2018
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:58 pm

Liberated Communist States wrote:I can, it would just take awhile.

Lack of effort is not an effective argument.
NOT STORMTROOPERS
Cossack Khanate wrote:This shall forever be known as World War Sh*t: Newark Aggression. Now if I see one more troop deployed, I will call on the force of all the Hindu gods to reverse time and wipe your race of the face of the planet. Cease.

The Black Party wrote:(TBP kamikaze's into all 99999999999 nukes before they hit our territory because we just have that many pilots ready to die for dah blak regime, we also counter-attack into your nation with our entire population of 45 million because this RP allows it.)

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Galatic Liberal Democracy short-circuits all of NS with FACTS and LOGIC

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:19 pm

The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Why? Can you not answer why capitalism has to be bad?


Most communists, myself included, have no interest in arguing the merits of communism over capitalism to non-communists.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:59 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Galactic Liberal Democracy wrote:Why? Can you not answer why capitalism has to be bad?


Most communists, myself included, have no interest in arguing the merits of communism over capitalism to non-communists.

Why not?
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:15 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Most communists, myself included, have no interest in arguing the merits of communism over capitalism to non-communists.

Why not?

Communists can't prove that their ideology is superior, because it is not.

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:24 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Communists can't prove that their ideology is superior, because it is not.


No, because there are more important things to do. Winning an argument is not a part of the communist struggle. If people want to find out about communism, there are plenty of resources for that.
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Byzconia
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Founded: Nov 01, 2018
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Postby Byzconia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:36 pm

Neihchfer wrote:
Unithonia wrote:True

But in some cases, the child could potentially harm the mother, so there's always that. Plus, the woman may not have wanted the baby. So we need to protect a woman's right to choose

If it's dangerous for the mother, fine. But if a baby is killed just because the mother doesn't want one, that's not fine. Christ, I don't know about you, but that seems really irresponsible.

Honestly, I've always felt like the entire abortion debate lacks nuance. I identify as a left-libertarian (though I don't consider myself a libertarian socialist, as I'm not completely anti-state), so I support women's right to choose. I'm personally opposed to abortion, but it's not my business to say what others can do with their body. The issue I have with the "pro-life" movement, is that they just want to ban abortions without actually addressing why women get abortions in the first place. This is why we need free and effective contraceptives and comprehensive sexual education. That's how you decrease/prevent abortions.
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Byzconia
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Postby Byzconia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:41 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Communists can't prove that their ideology is superior, because it is not.


No, because there are more important things to do. Winning an argument is not a part of the communist struggle. If people want to find out about communism, there are plenty of resources for that.

"Winning an argument" is how you win people to your cause. Marx himself argued that it was the duty of Communists to proselytize to the working class and propagandize at every opportunity.
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