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Conservative
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17%
Republican
5
3%
Authortarian
11
6%
Liberal
24
13%
Libertarian
22
12%
National Socialist
13
7%
Fascist
10
5%
Neo-Liberal
4
2%
Anarchist
17
9%
Other/apolitical
52
27%
 
Total votes : 191

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Postby Byzconia » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:32 pm

Kustonia wrote:I support corporatism as a means for social ownership.

These two things are mutually exclusive--you physically cannot support both.

I support class collaboration and Prussian Socialism.

Right. You're a corporatist. There are absolutely zero socialists who support class collaboration (except utopians, but no one cares about them anymore). Even the most reformist and conciliatory socialists (such as liberal socialists and democratic socialists) necessarily believe in some form of class conflict--otherwise we wouldn't be socialists.

How would you categorize me? Am I a Conservative Socialist? Fascist? Strasserist?

I don't know, it would depend on your social views. Fascists and Strasserists are both corporatists, so I couldn't tell you based off economics alone.
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Postby Greater Carolinas » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:01 pm

Hystaria wrote:
Greater Carolinas wrote:Social Democrats are unnatural and abominations of nature, not even a bolshevik is as bad as the "social" "democrat"

....all parties are unnatural in some way....also explain yourself

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Postby Hanafuridake » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:23 pm

Byzconia wrote:True, but you can't be both fascist and socialist. Corporatism and social ownership are diametrically opposed systems (and that's outright ignoring the philosophical differences).


That is quite simply untrue. There were several fascists who supported socialization of the economy (it was the main economic program of the Italian Social Republic). Mussolini himself started as a socialist, became a nationalist and would court the favor of the middle classes, while ultimately hating them and doing the best he could to humiliate and denigrate them. He agreed with Ugo Spirito's controversial thesis that corporatism would lead to social ownership of the means of production, at a time when it was being condemned by economic liberals as Bolshevik:

Memoirs of the 20th century wrote:I proposed to Mussolini my thesis on corporative ownership be made public at the Congress of Ferrara, even though I feared it would be misinterpreted. He agreed, and told me it would be best to do so because, in effect, corporative ownership was to become the path of future history. He stressed that once a certain path has been chosen, it must be followed to the end. He concluded by saying that he was convinced capital and labor would ultimately converge and everything would come together in the end, because all signs seemed to point in that direction.
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Postby Byzconia » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Byzconia wrote:True, but you can't be both fascist and socialist. Corporatism and social ownership are diametrically opposed systems (and that's outright ignoring the philosophical differences).


That is quite simply untrue. There were several fascists who supported socialization of the economy (it was the main economic program of the Italian Social Republic).

Right, totally wasn't a cynical ploy by Mussolini to win some popularity with a working class that utterly despised him. Also:

In practice, little resulted from the declared socialization of the economy. Unions did not exert real control of their management and took no part in state planning (as they had the power to do on paper after the socialization). The Italian industrial sector was excluded from the new reforms by the Germans and Italian industrialists were opposed to the changes in any case. The Italian labor force (large parts of which had remained leftist despite fascist rule) regarded socialization as a sham and responded with a massive strike on 1 March 1944.


Mussolini himself started as a socialist, became a nationalist and would court the favor of the middle classes, while ultimately hating them and doing the best he could to humiliate and denigrate them. He agreed with Ugo Spirito's controversial thesis that corporatism would lead to social ownership of the means of production, at a time when it was being condemned by economic liberals as Bolshevik:

Memoirs of the 20th century wrote:I proposed to Mussolini my thesis on corporative ownership be made public at the Congress of Ferrara, even though I feared it would be misinterpreted. He agreed, and told me it would be best to do so because, in effect, corporative ownership was to become the path of future history. He stressed that once a certain path has been chosen, it must be followed to the end. He concluded by saying that he was convinced capital and labor would ultimately converge and everything would come together in the end, because all signs seemed to point in that direction.

This quote says nothing about social ownership of the means of production. It's literally just arguing for corporatism and class collaboration--things no one denied Mussolini supported.
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Postby Stormaen » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:56 pm

Monarchist liberal conservative or conservative liberal who backs Brexit and is strongly Atlanticist.

About as concise as I can get it, I think.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:29 am

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Because hating socialism is so edgy

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I was pretty clearly not referring to disliking socialism.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:58 am

Kustonia wrote:Fascism and traditionalism


Fascism is fundamentally incompatible with traditionalism: fascism is a revolutionary modernist movement that calls for a totalitarian ultra-nationalist state which everything is subordinated to. It's no more traditionalist than Marxist-Leninism or anarchism, two other movements which it is related to.
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Postby Frievolk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:40 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Sicaris wrote:
Because hating socialism is so edgy

"Identitarian"
"Mother Europa"
I was pretty clearly not referring to disliking socialism.

The only way it could have been edgier is if he'd used "Father Europa" or something.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:42 am

Frievolk wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:"Identitarian"
"Mother Europa"
I was pretty clearly not referring to disliking socialism.

The only way it could have been edgier is if he'd used "Father Europa" or something.


That would be gay, because then they'd be in a male, and I assume Identitarians are no homo.
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Postby Frievolk » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:49 am

Hanafuridake wrote:
Frievolk wrote:The only way it could have been edgier is if he'd used "Father Europa" or something.


That would be gay, because then they'd be in a male, and I assume Identitarians are no homo.

But they live in a Fatherland.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:27 am

Frievolk wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:"Identitarian"
"Mother Europa"
I was pretty clearly not referring to disliking socialism.

The only way it could have been edgier is if he'd used "Father Europa" or something.

And a pic of Shadow the Edgehog, ofc
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:01 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:That would be gay, because then they'd be in a male, and I assume Identitarians are no homo.

How? If living in the fatherland makes them gay...
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 pm

I'm an semi-anarcho-primitivist with monarchist leanings.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:47 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm an semi-anarcho-primitivist with monarchist leanings.

I presume the Primitivist is also a "Semi"
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:48 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm an semi-anarcho-primitivist with monarchist leanings.

I presume the Primitivist is also a "Semi"

Yes, I support agriculture.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:49 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:I presume the Primitivist is also a "Semi"

Yes, I support agriculture.

I thought that makes you Agrarian.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:50 pm

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, I support agriculture.

I thought that makes you Agrarian.

I don't use that term because it's in use by a major ideology that actually has different ideas than I do.
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Postby Berhakonia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:09 pm

I guess a form of Symphonia that advocates for the shared power between the King, Church and people
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:26 pm

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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:11 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm an semi-anarcho-primitivist with monarchist leanings.


So you want something akin to the old Germanic kingship's?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:I thought that makes you Agrarian.

I don't use that term because it's in use by a major ideology that actually has different ideas than I do.


Are you referring to left-wing or classical liberal forms of agrarianism?

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Postby Blazelander » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:34 pm

Im a National Socialist of course.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:35 pm

Blazelander wrote:Im a National Socialist of course.

I'm not surprised. I've seen some examples of what you've posted. What lead you to such an ideology?
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Postby Blazelander » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:54 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Blazelander wrote:Im a National Socialist of course.

I'm not surprised. I've seen some examples of what you've posted. What lead you to such an ideology?


I just want to be clear about something, i'm a National Socialist but i'm not a 'white supermacist',
that said i don't hate people based on the color of their skin but i do reconize the many races that exist in this world (some people deny that fact), both things are very diferent and most people don't know it thanks to american education, Hitler was a very smart man, he turned a destroyed Germany into a superpower in less than 10 years.my friend.

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:54 pm

Blazelander wrote:Im a National Socialist of course.

Why is there an unusual amount of Nazis, nazbols, and fascists on here? I’m not surprised by the books you recommended, but there can’t be that many totalitarian extremists on here. To be fair, there is a strange amount of anarchists too.
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