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Lanoraie II
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Postby Lanoraie II » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:54 am

I still want to know what in the hell anarcho-primitivism is.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:57 am

Lanoraie II wrote:I still want to know what in the hell anarcho-primitivism is.

Anarcho-primitivists advocate a return of non-"civilized" ways of life through deindustrialization, abolition of the division of labor or specialization, and abandonment of large-scale organization technologies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism
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Greater Carolinas
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Postby Greater Carolinas » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:01 am

Lanoraie II wrote:I still want to know what in the hell anarcho-primitivism is.

Basically Ted Kaczynski did nothing wrong

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:05 am

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Frievolk
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Postby Frievolk » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:02 pm

Like many others, my political beliefs are a messy myriad of various ideologies, put together with spit, duct tape, and sheer will. I'd call myself a Libertarian Constitutional Federalist, but it kinda muddies the actual opinions I hold.

While inching close to (and at some points even reaching) anarchism in my distaste for the state, I believe in a Federal (or Confederal) Constitutional organization for the government. The identity (Republic or Monarchy) is less important to me than the Constitutionalism itself. Direct Democracy as much as it can be employed (I'd literally prefer to have every city gather together and decide on things, rather than have a representative legislature do that), with the Freedom of Speech, of Assembly, of The Press, of Though as well as full emancipation, equality in front of the law, full enfranchisement, and the right to Self-defense, Private Property, and public welfare all enshrined as paramount rights all people are owed.

I inch closer to the right-wing than the left, economically speaking. I support private economy, but with heavy-handed government interference and intervention in regards to Labor Laws, Public Finance, healthcare and welfare.This in particular is part of why I am "almost" an anarchist, rather than an anarchist in reality (Without a government, people can't have welfare, healthcare, and similarly labor and public finance goes to shit)

However, I follow a quasi-unpopular opinion on the matter of religion and the state. The State, while clean from the filth of religious interference, should have the full right to interfere with Church Affairs as much as it wants to, as many times as it wants to, in any situation it wants to. Places of Worship must be taxed +50%, while education must focus on rooting out religion in the youth.

Of course, all this is limited to mentality, and may not be what I support in situations in real life, but they are my firmly-held opinion on what an ideal state would be.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:06 pm

Frievolk wrote:Like many others, my political beliefs are a messy myriad of various ideologies, put together with spit, duct tape, and sheer will. I'd call myself a Libertarian Constitutional Federalist, but it kinda muddies the actual opinions I hold.

While inching close to (and at some points even reaching) anarchism in my distaste for the state, I believe in a Federal (or Confederal) Constitutional organization for the government. The identity (Republic or Monarchy) is less important to me than the Constitutionalism itself. Direct Democracy as much as it can be employed (I'd literally prefer to have every city gather together and decide on things, rather than have a representative legislature do that), with the Freedom of Speech, of Assembly, of The Press, of Though as well as full emancipation, equality in front of the law, full enfranchisement, and the right to Self-defense, Private Property, and public welfare all enshrined as paramount rights all people are owed.

I inch closer to the right-wing than the left, economically speaking. I support private economy, but with heavy-handed government interference and intervention in regards to Labor Laws, Public Finance, healthcare and welfare.This in particular is part of why I am "almost" an anarchist, rather than an anarchist in reality (Without a government, people can't have welfare, healthcare, and similarly labor and public finance goes to shit)

However, I follow a quasi-unpopular opinion on the matter of religion and the state. The State, while clean from the filth of religious interference, should have the full right to interfere with Church Affairs as much as it wants to, as many times as it wants to, in any situation it wants to. Places of Worship must be taxed +50%, while education must focus on rooting out religion in the youth.

Of course, all this is limited to mentality, and may not be what I support in situations in real life, but they are my firmly-held opinion on what an ideal state would be.

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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:33 pm

Frievolk wrote:Like many others, my political beliefs are a messy myriad of various ideologies, put together with spit, duct tape, and sheer will. I'd call myself a Libertarian Constitutional Federalist, but it kinda muddies the actual opinions I hold.

While inching close to (and at some points even reaching) anarchism in my distaste for the state, I believe in a Federal (or Confederal) Constitutional organization for the government. The identity (Republic or Monarchy) is less important to me than the Constitutionalism itself. Direct Democracy as much as it can be employed (I'd literally prefer to have every city gather together and decide on things, rather than have a representative legislature do that), with the Freedom of Speech, of Assembly, of The Press, of Though as well as full emancipation, equality in front of the law, full enfranchisement, and the right to Self-defense, Private Property, and public welfare all enshrined as paramount rights all people are owed.

I inch closer to the right-wing than the left, economically speaking. I support private economy, but with heavy-handed government interference and intervention in regards to Labor Laws, Public Finance, healthcare and welfare.This in particular is part of why I am "almost" an anarchist, rather than an anarchist in reality (Without a government, people can't have welfare, healthcare, and similarly labor and public finance goes to shit)

However, I follow a quasi-unpopular opinion on the matter of religion and the state. The State, while clean from the filth of religious interference, should have the full right to interfere with Church Affairs as much as it wants to, as many times as it wants to, in any situation it wants to. Places of Worship must be taxed +50%, while education must focus on rooting out religion in the youth.

Of course, all this is limited to mentality, and may not be what I support in situations in real life, but they are my firmly-held opinion on what an ideal state would be.

In all seriousness, my political ideology is pretty weird as well.

I believe that a strong central force is needed to protect the freedoms of both the common people and to regulate the market just enough to make sure we don't have Rockefeller 2, Electric Boogaloo.

I would also be willing to have a benevolent/constitutional autocrat Especially if it was under me.
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Cossack Khanate
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:37 pm

When I said Decreeism, I was rather blunt. My version of Decreeism is basically monarchism, along with a representative legislature (I say “my” because the ideology is still in its early phases, and we are still fleshing everything out). With this monarchism, there is a state religion (so the state funds the majority religion), steps are taken to put nation’s people first, not necessarily the state itself. Decreeism realizes that the people form the nation, and the state exists to serve that nation. Therefore, serving the nation is serving the people, and vice versa. There is also a degree of conservatism, and beliefs in social and economic interventionism. We are strong anti-communists and nationalists. However, we usually don’t favor all-out capitalism, because it puts the business above the people and the nation. Yet we also don’t argue that all business should be for the nation, like fascists. It is a different viewpoint.
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Biryukova
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Postby Biryukova » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:12 pm

Anarcho-capitalism. I do not believe that using force against peaceful, non-consenting individuals is ever right. I also happen to believe that a free market would be better anyway.

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Murphys Island
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Postby Murphys Island » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:35 pm

Biryukova wrote:Anarcho-capitalism. I do not believe that using force against peaceful, non-consenting individuals is ever right. I also happen to believe that a free market would be better anyway.


If you really believed the first statement, you wouldn't be a capitalist. Capitalism was created by factory owners hiring state actors to kick farmers off public land so they had to work in factories in the city. It's a system impossible without state control.

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East Angria
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Postby East Angria » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:53 pm

I am an anarchist. I believe that all present hierchies should be dismantled and power should be distributed evenly among the people, by the people, through their free will. The undesirable power structures we need to abolish include capitalism, the state, patriarchy, racism, colonialism, exploitation and damaging of the environment, and a few other things. We have to replace the functions that these things play in our everyday lives with horizontal organization and free democratic direct action.

Frievolk wrote:...

Have you ever heared about Libertarian municipalism or about democratic confederalism? Maybe those things could be for you.
I am sort of confused about your views. You say you are almost an anarchist, and then you bring in the state to solve all kinds of problems that we would not even have if we were living under anarchism. Maybe you should just learn more on the ideology.

[quote="Murphys Island";p="35245243]If you really believed the first statement, you wouldn't be a capitalist. Capitalism was created by factory owners hiring state actors to kick farmers off public land so they had to work in factories in the city. It's a system impossible without state control.[/quote]
I agree with you here. But I also have to point out that antistatist capitalism is more or less a complete joke ideology which is based on the premise that even severe imbalances in power and natural as well as structural factors cannot coerce people into agreeing to contracts that they otherwise wouldn't. Honestly, it is best to not even take them seriously.
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Illemenia
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Postby Illemenia » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:13 pm

I am a centrist libertarian so I agree with many of the values of anarchism.

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The of Japan
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:16 pm

Centrist, mix of conservatism and libertarianism socially and I support a mixed system econically
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Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:45 pm

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It doesn't, that test is on the more ridiculous side of "political spectrum" tests. In fact, best not to to associate yourself with any of them. They all suck.

At best they simply tell which ideology (based on the personal definition of the creator) fits you, but some people consider most ideologies fascist, and some consider most anarchy, and some consider anything left of them as Nazi, and some consider anything right of them Luddite, so using the name of an ideology is far less effective at informing someone about your beliefs than defining your ideologies as precisely as possible.
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Postby Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:52 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Lanoraie II wrote:I still want to know what in the hell anarcho-primitivism is.

Anarcho-primitivists advocate a return of non-"civilized" ways of life through deindustrialization, abolition of the division of labor or specialization, and abandonment of large-scale organization technologies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism

...So that means that no one should be able to get into an argument with one on the internet
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:58 pm

Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Anarcho-primitivists advocate a return of non-"civilized" ways of life through deindustrialization, abolition of the division of labor or specialization, and abandonment of large-scale organization technologies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism

...So that means that no one should be able to get into an argument with one on the internet


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Postby The of Japan » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:59 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio wrote:...So that means that no one should be able to get into an argument with one on the internet


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Sadly, my friend, you are mistaken.

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Liberated Communist States
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Postby Liberated Communist States » Tue Jan 29, 2019 7:01 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liberated Communist States wrote:What is Fourth Positionism?

http://4pt.su/
http://www.4pt.su/en/content/fourth-pol ... t-and-left
It seems to be a hybrid of Far-left and Far-right authoritarianism, and it is very fascistic in nature. The websites I linked seem to describe the ideology.

Thanks for the reply. Ive been looking into other systems of belief as I've been transitioning lately. It sounds intruiging.

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Postby Camelone » Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:40 pm

Christian Formalist, pretty much summed up in this way: The primary duty of the state is to ensure the security of the populace through rule of law and the prevention of violence while the Church must be promoted so that the souls of the populace may be saved. Notice promoted but not enforced, social pressure instead of legal pressure for the last part.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:03 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Liberated Communist States wrote:What is Fourth Positionism?

http://4pt.su/
http://www.4pt.su/en/content/fourth-pol ... t-and-left
It seems to be a hybrid of Far-left and Far-right authoritarianism, and it is very fascistic in nature. The websites I linked seem to describe the ideology.


So literally NazBol?

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:05 pm

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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:19 pm

http://www.politicalsextant.com/quiz/?1 ... &38=1&39=0

Glad to know my top 3 worst are exactly what I expected to be.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:25 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:http://4pt.su/
http://www.4pt.su/en/content/fourth-pol ... t-and-left
It seems to be a hybrid of Far-left and Far-right authoritarianism, and it is very fascistic in nature. The websites I linked seem to describe the ideology.


So literally NazBol?

Pretty much, only they act like pseudo-intellectuals as opposed to just memers.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:37 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
So literally NazBol?

Pretty much, only they act like pseudo-intellectuals as opposed to just memers.


Y'know, when I once heard a NazBol unironically state that NazBol was the natural final outcome of nationalism...

I think they're still memelords.

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