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Postby The United Nations Of Europa » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:42 pm

I still don't understand what the Hebrews have to do in this argument. The native American man went in between the two groups to prevent anything from happening, not to start something else. So what gives the MAGA kids the right to then mock him and then go right in his face.
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 12:47 pm

The United Nations Of Europa wrote:I still don't understand what the Hebrews have to do in this argument. The native American man went in between the two groups to prevent anything from happening, not to start something else. So what gives the MAGA kids the right to then mock him and then go right in his face.

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Black Hebrews started the confrontation, high schoolers start a sports chant in response, Mr. Phillip’s shows up just beating a drum with no cultural context given to why he is doing, many of the kids part and continue to taunt the Black Hebrews, Mr. Phillip’s and the kid from the picture lock eyes and the kid does the same thing you do when a street performer approaches you stand there and don’t flinch when your friends are watching you, one of Mr. Phillip’s comrades gets into a race base argument with one of the teens which the staring kid looks over and tries to silently stop with hand gestures. Perhaps Mr. Phillip’s truly felt threatened but I’m of the opinion this was a misunderstanding due to cultural ignorance and lack of explanation, no malice except from the Black Hebrews who have a history of being rabble rousers.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:07 pm

Hahahahahahahaha, this thread. America is fucked, isn't it.
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:09 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:Hahahahahahahaha, this thread. America is fucked, isn't it.

Just realize that now?
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:11 pm

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The United Nations Of Europa wrote:I still don't understand what the Hebrews have to do in this argument. The native American man went in between the two groups to prevent anything from happening, not to start something else. So what gives the MAGA kids the right to then mock him and then go right in his face.

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Black Hebrews started the confrontation, high schoolers start a sports chant in response, Mr. Phillip’s shows up just beating a drum with no cultural context given to why he is doing, many of the kids part and continue to taunt the Black Hebrews, Mr. Phillip’s and the kid from the picture lock eyes and the kid does the same thing you do when a street performer approaches you stand there and don’t flinch when your friends are watching you, one of Mr. Phillip’s comrades gets into a race base argument with one of the teens which the staring kid looks over and tries to silently stop with hand gestures. Perhaps Mr. Phillip’s truly felt threatened but I’m of the opinion this was a misunderstanding due to cultural ignorance and lack of explanation, no malice except from the Black Hebrews who have a history of being rabble rousers.


The black hebrew people were being ridiculous telling native Americans they lost this country because they worshiped animals and Demons instead of YHWH.
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:14 pm

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Camelone wrote:Repost:

Black Hebrews started the confrontation, high schoolers start a sports chant in response, Mr. Phillip’s shows up just beating a drum with no cultural context given to why he is doing, many of the kids part and continue to taunt the Black Hebrews, Mr. Phillip’s and the kid from the picture lock eyes and the kid does the same thing you do when a street performer approaches you stand there and don’t flinch when your friends are watching you, one of Mr. Phillip’s comrades gets into a race base argument with one of the teens which the staring kid looks over and tries to silently stop with hand gestures. Perhaps Mr. Phillip’s truly felt threatened but I’m of the opinion this was a misunderstanding due to cultural ignorance and lack of explanation, no malice except from the Black Hebrews who have a history of being rabble rousers.


The black hebrew people were being ridiculous telling native Americans they lost this country because they worshiped animals and Demons instead of YHWH.

Yeah I remember reading about that to. As a history major that made me cringe big time.
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:26 pm

Damn. The initial video and the reaction to it actually had me fooled for a couple of brief moments. But then I saw some of the other videos, including the one by Tim Pool. I also read one of the more recent reports by CNN briefly covering Nick Sandmann's response to the outcry against them. CNN has yet to retract or debunk some of the earlier claims about white racist thugs "intimidating" a Native war vet when all the evidence points to the MAGA kids being the victims of racial and homophobic abuse by the Black Hebrew Israelites, race-baiting by the Native activists and the sensationalist mainstream media hungry for more clicks and outrage to bolster their ratings and their revenue.

All I can say right now is that I'm disgusted by CNN and the mainstream media, and all of those vile individuals, high-profile adults and celebrities no less, who have seen fit to demonize, dox, slander and threaten those kids with death and attempt to ruin their lives, simply to score some political points. I'm wondering whether to uninstall CNN on my phone and tablet right now. I didn't know they were that bad.

I feel really sorry for white people right now and the hateful left-wing rhetoric against them that they have to put up with on a daily basis. This relentless campaign to demonize and dehumanize white males in the media and elsewhere in order to "even the historical score" is absolutely petty and vindictive, and all this simply to get rid of Trump, who in turn has only served to inflame the political situation even further.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:34 pm

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I feel really sorry for white people right now and the hateful left-wing rhetoric against them that they have to put up with on a daily basis. This relentless campaign to demonize and dehumanize white males in the media and elsewhere in order to "even the historical score" is absolutely petty and vindictive, and all this simply to get rid of Trump, who in turn has only served to inflame the political situation even further.


<--- Am white male
<--- Also has never had any race related issues or run ins, including from "far left" elements


Mayyyybe, and this is just my experience as a Hetero White Male, but maybe if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. Something tells me these kids were not exactly just going for a stroll through the park.
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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:36 pm

As a racially ambiguous person, I have to admit that the only discrimination I've ever really faced was at the hands of whites. Specifically, southern whites.

This whole ordeal doesn't strike me as unusual.
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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:38 pm

New Bremerton wrote:Damn. The initial video and the reaction to it actually had me fooled for a couple of brief moments. But then I saw some of the other videos, including the one by Tim Pool. I also read one of the more recent reports by CNN briefly covering Nick Sandmann's response to the outcry against them. CNN has yet to retract or debunk some of the earlier claims about white racist thugs "intimidating" a Native war vet when all the evidence points to the MAGA kids being the victims of racial and homophobic abuse by the Black Hebrew Israelites, race-baiting by the Native activists and the sensationalist mainstream media hungry for more clicks and outrage to bolster their ratings and their revenue.

All I can say right now is that I'm disgusted by CNN and the mainstream media, and all of those vile individuals, high-profile adults and celebrities no less, who have seen fit to demonize, dox, slander and threaten those kids with death and attempt to ruin their lives, simply to score some political points. I'm wondering whether to uninstall CNN on my phone and tablet right now. I didn't know they were that bad.

I feel really sorry for white people right now and the hateful left-wing rhetoric against them that they have to put up with on a daily basis. This relentless campaign to demonize and dehumanize white males in the media and elsewhere in order to "even the historical score" is absolutely petty and vindictive, and all this simply to get rid of Trump, who in turn has only served to inflame the political situation even further.

This is a pretty meh attempt to present yourself as a skeptic logical thinker.
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:39 pm

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New Bremerton wrote:
I feel really sorry for white people right now and the hateful left-wing rhetoric against them that they have to put up with on a daily basis. This relentless campaign to demonize and dehumanize white males in the media and elsewhere in order to "even the historical score" is absolutely petty and vindictive, and all this simply to get rid of Trump, who in turn has only served to inflame the political situation even further.


<--- Am white male
<--- Also has never had any race related issues or run ins, including from "far left" elements


Mayyyybe, and this is just my experience as a Hetero White Male, but maybe if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. Something tells me these kids were not exactly just going for a stroll through the park.

Have you actually been reading anything from this thread or just the first few pages?
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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:39 pm

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Liriena wrote:Death threats aren't just ridiculous. They're unequivocally heinous. I can kind of agree with some level of doxxing in some cases (like when the chuds who attended the Unite The Right rally got outed as white supremacists to their families and employers), but there's a big gap between that and threatening someone's life. Even if the kids had been outright violent towards Phillips, that would not have warranted them or their loved ones receiving death threats.


I agree kids should never be doxxed or attacked for political purposes but I'm not sure what idiot let plenty of students from a school go to a political rally wearing MAGA hats. I get it's a catholic school so isn't really a school but still. They were guaranteeing something would go wrong.

Wait, people are actually making death threats?
I thought that was just a red herring being touted by the opposition
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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:40 pm

Camelone wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
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Mayyyybe, and this is just my experience as a Hetero White Male, but maybe if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. Something tells me these kids were not exactly just going for a stroll through the park.

Have you actually been reading anything from this thread or just the first few pages?

Have you?
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:42 pm

Puldania wrote:
Camelone wrote:Have you actually been reading anything from this thread or just the first few pages?

Have you?

If you read through the thread you would have seen that in fact I have.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:44 pm

I would not call the Black Hebrews left wing. They have an ideology that does not fit into that category. They have their own way of thinking. I also am not sure that Native Americans fit into that political category either. The media politicized the event into something which was easy to understand for most people. It is too easy to put this event into left wing and right wing rhetoric. It is about bad behavior. The teenagers were not exactly acting right either. They were unchaperoned and rowdy.

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Postby Karu Nadu » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:44 pm

New Bremerton wrote:I feel really sorry for white people right now and the hateful left-wing rhetoric against them that they have to put up with on a daily basis. This relentless campaign to demonize and dehumanize white males in the media and elsewhere in order to "even the historical score" is absolutely petty and vindictive, and all this simply to get rid of Trump, who in turn has only served to inflame the political situation even further.

Yeah, I know. there's an extreme prejudice against white people in the media, especially in CNN, a website run by a white male...

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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:48 pm

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Puldania wrote:Have you?

If you read through the thread you would have seen that in fact I have.

Why do your arguments read so out of touch then?
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:48 pm

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Camelone wrote:If you read through the thread you would have seen that in fact I have.

Why do your arguments read so out of touch then?

I beg your pardon?
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Puldania wrote:Why do your arguments read so out of touch then?

I beg your pardon?

No, it just seems that you're failing to take context into this whole issue, both historical and social.
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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:50 pm

Also:

Daily reminder that college students are not kids
they are adults
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:51 pm

What context in particular? I’ve already went over what led up to the confrontation, that the students did not have the cultural knowledge of what the drum meant and I directed people towards videos. Also they are high schoolers not college kids.
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Postby Grimmsland » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:54 pm

Seangoli wrote:
New Bremerton wrote:
I feel really sorry for white people right now and the hateful left-wing rhetoric against them that they have to put up with on a daily basis. This relentless campaign to demonize and dehumanize white males in the media and elsewhere in order to "even the historical score" is absolutely petty and vindictive, and all this simply to get rid of Trump, who in turn has only served to inflame the political situation even further.


<--- Am white male
<--- Also has never had any race related issues or run ins, including from "far left" elements


Mayyyybe, and this is just my experience as a Hetero White Male, but maybe if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. Something tells me these kids were not exactly just going for a stroll through the park.



Define "white".

What are the demographics you surround yourself in? How old are you? What social-class/strata are you surrounded by?

Be "white". Be poor/working class. Be in "diverse" surroundings, neighborhoods and job environments. You cannot escape it-- it will find you, thanks to the upper classes (upper strata "whites" who despise the lower strata "whites" -- which is what it is ALL about -- always has been-- non-whites are simply used by the upper strata as proxy-warriors 99% of the time and they will squash dissent from the same people if they aren't the ones leading it). Doesn't mean you can't "get by and get along" but you also can't mentally reside in the lofty minded "race doesn't exist" or "oh my god I cannot form judgments based on my experiences and interactions or that's raciss" or "hmmph.. I'm white and never have any problems with non-whites". Only way you get the privilege of holding that view is if you are never around real people in the real world , ie poor.. working class in actual real world diverse environments -- that are constantly being polarized and instigated by upper class to rich sons of bitches who live in non-diverse environments surrounded by gates and walls and aren't forced to compete with every godamned body else for the scraps thrown to the dogs called work .. because of again .. these same upper class.. self imposed self segregated aristocrats. My god.. how I despise them.

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Postby Puldania » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:56 pm

Camelone wrote:What context in particular? I’ve already went over what led up to the confrontation, that the students did not have the cultural knowledge of what the drum meant and I directed people towards videos. Also they are high schoolers not college kids.

I'd argue that even high schoolers should be expected to a higher degree of conduct tbh
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:01 pm

Grimmsland wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
<--- Am white male
<--- Also has never had any race related issues or run ins, including from "far left" elements


Mayyyybe, and this is just my experience as a Hetero White Male, but maybe if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. Something tells me these kids were not exactly just going for a stroll through the park.



Define "white".

What are the demographics you surround yourself in? How old are you? What social-class/strata are you surrounded by?

Be "white". Be poor/working class. Be in "diverse" surroundings, neighborhoods and job environments. You cannot escape it-- it will find you, thanks to the upper classes (upper strata "whites" who despise the lower strata "whites" -- which is what it is ALL about -- always has been-- non-whites are simply used by the upper strata as proxy-warriors 99% of the time and they will squash dissent from the same people if they aren't the ones leading it). Doesn't mean you can't "get by and get along" but you also can't mentally reside in the lofty minded "race doesn't exist" or "oh my god I cannot form judgments based on my experiences and interactions or that's raciss" or "hmmph.. I'm white and never have any problems with non-whites". Only way you get the privilege of holding that view is if you are never around real people in the real world , ie poor.. working class in actual real world diverse environments -- that are constantly being polarized and instigated by upper class to rich sons of bitches who live in non-diverse environments surrounded by gates and walls and aren't forced to compete with every godamned body else for the scraps thrown to the dogs called work .. because of again .. these same upper class.. self imposed self segregated aristocrats. My god.. how I despise them.



Am effecticely white, grew up next to a reservation, raised Catholic, grew up working class with a single father who was a police officer (who hilariously wasn't considered white growing up, as we are Italian). Am 32, and md have had to work every damn day of my life.

I have experienced exactly none of the things that get brought up about "white oppression" in my entire life. The closest I have experienced is some of the Natives saying some unpleasant things about white people around me.

Note, its not that I haven't witnessed what some nits *claim* to be oppression, but more often than not it is exaggerated to the point of stupidity and absurdity, or is not any sort of oppression at all.

It is a load of hogwash and horseshit to claim that what is quite likely upper middle class kids are getting oppressed.
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Postby Camelone » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:03 pm

Puldania wrote:
Camelone wrote:What context in particular? I’ve already went over what led up to the confrontation, that the students did not have the cultural knowledge of what the drum meant and I directed people towards videos. Also they are high schoolers not college kids.

I'd argue that even high schoolers should be expected to a higher degree of conduct tbh

So what exactly are you saying that they did wrong? Taunting the Black Hebrews who were throwing slurs at them with a sports chant and standing there like one would when a street performer locks eyes with you. Heck even in the video when one of Mr. Phillip’s comrades starts a racially charged argument with another one of the students the staring kid tries to gesture for him to cut it out, however meekly. I have already shared these videos with time stamps but if you wish for me to fish for them again I can certainly do so.
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