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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:02 pm

A day after the news edits the gillete advert to remove the only black antagonists by the way. Worth remembering.
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Liriena wrote:
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Hasn't sunk in yet it would seem.

It's not gonna "sink in" if it comes in the form of an angry accusatory rant that seems to mostly focus on chastising people for not sharing your exact same biases and having the exact same experiences to fall back on. And there's the added problem that you tend to fall back on a very narrow sample of sorts (UK progressivism) or focus on individual examples of "minor media personality says mean thing".

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How? Fucking how? You’ve yet to explain how standing, and fucking smiling, is fucking smug. Tell how the native Americans didn’t do anything wrong when their fucking elder was banging a drum in a kids fucking face? If shit like smiling or chanting is fucking smug in your books, then what the fuck is banging a drum in a kids face to you?


As IB mentioned...
Internationalist Bastard wrote:What really got me was it seemed, to me at least, some of them were trying to do random gestures while chanting. One kid did what kinda looked like he was miming a headdress, which is a stereotype of natives in America


Also, obnoxious drum banging is best praxis.


All I really got from this was:
- Smiling and chanting is smug
- Banging a drum in someone’s face is alright though

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Liriena wrote:It's not gonna "sink in" if it comes in the form of an angry accusatory rant that seems to mostly focus on chastising people for not sharing your exact same biases and having the exact same experiences to fall back on. And there's the added problem that you tend to fall back on a very narrow sample of sorts (UK progressivism) or focus on individual examples of "minor media personality says mean thing".



As IB mentioned...


Also, obnoxious drum banging is best praxis.


All I really got from this was:
- Smiling and chanting is smug
- Banging a drum in someone’s face is alright though


It's a consequence of the toxic ideology they have internalized where they judge actions based on the race and sex of the people doing them.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:03 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:A day after the news edits the gillete advert to remove the only black antagonists by the way. Worth remembering.

Now this is some Infowars-level dots-connecting.
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Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:A day after the news edits the gillete advert to remove the only black antagonists by the way. Worth remembering.

Now this is some Infowars-level dots-connecting.


Not particularly. News media crafts narratives to sell a story, and they're often a villain narrative. Currently it seems they are intent on outgrouping and vilifying white males. Same as noting a fox news trend of demonizing muslims means you shouldn't view media action in isolation, and once you note the trend, shouldn't trust fox news to report honestly on muslims.

This is an instance of the media peddling a lie to progressives they wanted to hear because they haven't caught on yet that their prejudices are being pandered to.
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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:05 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
They were chanting a school anthem and bouncing up and down.



How were they being dicks exactly? Be precise.
Do not rely on a photo image of a guy looking smug for one frozen moment in time.

Native sees possible racial confrontation
Native approaches and begins to play music of peace
Group then surrounds and jokingly repeats the chants and miming dumb motions
Dumb asshole kids being dumb asshole kids

You forget the part where other Native man shouts, ‘Go back to Europe!’
You also forgot that he wasn’t surrounded out of maliciousness, and was seemingly surrounded by the Black Israelites and his Native American friends as well.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:06 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Native sees possible racial confrontation
Native approaches and begins to play music of peace
Group then surrounds and jokingly repeats the chants and miming dumb motions
Dumb asshole kids being dumb asshole kids


The native group joined in the racial harassment. They were not there to de-escalate the situation. For one thing they approached the victims so the notion is nonsensical, it is merely a lie he made up to make himself the victim.
The native group has members telling the boys to go back to europe and saying white people dont belong here.
THEN the kids started mocking them.

See I’ve seen the video
I know the native man you are talking about
I saw one man making racist comments about white people going back to Europe
I also saw the interview where the man said that he was heading one way and there was a bunch of kids in his way
He decided to keep walking where he was going.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:07 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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The native group joined in the racial harassment. They were not there to de-escalate the situation. For one thing they approached the victims so the notion is nonsensical, it is merely a lie he made up to make himself the victim.
The native group has members telling the boys to go back to europe and saying white people dont belong here.
THEN the kids started mocking them.

See I’ve seen the video
I know the native man you are talking about
I saw one man making racist comments about white people going back to Europe
I also saw the interview where the man said that he was heading one way and there was a bunch of kids in his way
He decided to keep walking where he was going.


So which is it. Was he going over there to de-escalate a situation or was he already heading that way.

https://youtu.be/pkOrC-HAOY4?t=150

This isn't "already heading that way" by the way. Look at the angle.

see also, lack of smug smile.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:See I’ve seen the video
I know the native man you are talking about
I saw one man making racist comments about white people going back to Europe
I also saw the interview where the man said that he was heading one way and there was a bunch of kids in his way
He decided to keep walking where he was going.


So which is it. Was he going over there to de-escalate a situation or was he already heading that way.

No clue
I wasn’t there. I’m just saying what I’ve seen
What I saw says those kids were dicks.
It’s worth noting I also saw a black kid in that group who was also being a dick
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
So which is it. Was he going over there to de-escalate a situation or was he already heading that way.

No clue
I wasn’t there. I’m just saying what I’ve seen
What I saw says those kids were dicks.
It’s worth noting I also saw a black kid in that group who was also being a dick


You've seen the results of a progressive media hate narrative where white children reacting to racial harassment from multiple groups and intimidation by copying them are held more accountable than adult minorities who instigated the situation, purely because they are white. Those children have now been vilified internationally while the instigators are being celebrated, and the children are facing death threats.


If you doubt the nefarious intent of the media in crafting an anti-white narrative, explain their choice of still photo which doesn't accurately represent the boys expression for the overwhelming majority of the encounter.
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I think there’s one important thing to take from this
I don’t hate white people
I hate teenagers
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:12 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
All I really got from this was:
- Smiling and chanting is smug
- Banging a drum in someone’s face is alright though


It's a consequence of the toxic ideology they have internalized where they judge actions based on the race and sex of the people doing them.

Anyone who stands their ground and isn't afraid to get in the face of someone wearing a MAGA hat is a comrade, regardless of race or sex... buuuuuuuuuuuuut there is an element of contextual schadenfreude when it's not a white antifa supersoldier doing it.

And yes, of course, "someone wearing a MAGA hat" is obviously a dog-whistle for "white".
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Ostroeuropa wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:No clue
I wasn’t there. I’m just saying what I’ve seen
What I saw says those kids were dicks.
It’s worth noting I also saw a black kid in that group who was also being a dick


You've seen the results of a progressive media hate narrative where white children reacting to racial harassment from multiple groups and intimidation by copying them are held more accountable than adult minorities who instigated the situation, purely because they are white. Those children have now been vilified internationally while the instigators are being celebrated, and the children are facing death threats.


If you doubt the nefarious intent of the media in crafting an anti-white narrative, explain their choice of still photo which doesn't accurately represent the boys expression for the overwhelming majority of the encounter.

Oh I’m calling bullshit on that his face was like that almost every time I saw him
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I think there’s one important thing to take from this
I don’t hate white people
I hate teenagers

I don't hate teenagers.
I hate Cathol- wait.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:13 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
You've seen the results of a progressive media hate narrative where white children reacting to racial harassment from multiple groups and intimidation by copying them are held more accountable than adult minorities who instigated the situation, purely because they are white. Those children have now been vilified internationally while the instigators are being celebrated, and the children are facing death threats.


If you doubt the nefarious intent of the media in crafting an anti-white narrative, explain their choice of still photo which doesn't accurately represent the boys expression for the overwhelming majority of the encounter.

Oh I’m calling bullshit on that his face was like that almost every time I saw him


Have you seen the full video?

Liriena wrote:
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It's a consequence of the toxic ideology they have internalized where they judge actions based on the race and sex of the people doing them.

Anyone who stands their ground and isn't afraid to get in the face of someone wearing a MAGA hat is a comrade, regardless of race or sex... buuuuuuuuuuuuut there is an element of contextual schadenfreude when it's not a white antifa supersoldier doing it.

And yes, of course, "someone wearing a MAGA hat" is obviously a dog-whistle for "white".


Racists are your comrade, you said it yourself i guess.

"White people should go back to europe."
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Ostroeuropa wrote:A day after the news edits the gillete advert to remove the only black antagonists by the way. Worth remembering.

Bwhahaha...

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Look at them all grasping at straws.
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Cedoria wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:A day after the news edits the gillete advert to remove the only black antagonists by the way. Worth remembering.

Bwhahaha...

Don't draw that bowstring so long or it'll break.


The media ignored the black people here too because it didn't fit their anti-white narrative.

Here are some of the things they shouted at the native americans:
“You should not worship buffalos or eagles, this is why the Lord took away your land!”

“Damn women also disrupting shit with their emotions. You’re out of order. Where’s your husband at?”

“Bunch of uncle Tomahawks!”

If we're oh so concerned about racism against natives, why was this left out?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:18 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Oh I’m calling bullshit on that his face was like that almost every time I saw him


Have you seen the full video?

Liriena wrote:Anyone who stands their ground and isn't afraid to get in the face of someone wearing a MAGA hat is a comrade, regardless of race or sex... buuuuuuuuuuuuut there is an element of contextual schadenfreude when it's not a white antifa supersoldier doing it.

And yes, of course, "someone wearing a MAGA hat" is obviously a dog-whistle for "white".


Racists are your comrade, you said it yourself i guess.

"White people should go back to europe."

Yes I have
Every time I see him he’s got that look or on the cusp of going back to it while he holds it in.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:19 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Racists are your comrade, you said it yourself i guess.

"White people should go back to europe."

Can't police every stupid thing people say in protests... Specially not after the fact, and from a massive distance.

"White people should go back to europe" is a pretty decent, if rather overused gotcha when dealing with white supremacist scum in the Americas, but beyond that it's definitely xenophobic and not a message I'd get behind. I mean, I do kinda want the Inca Empire restored, but not as an ethno-state.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTDIoywwGk

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:21 pm

Minzerland II wrote:Look at them all grasping at straws.

Shrug
The kids in the video seem like dicks
That could be colored by my own experiences with teenagers I’ll admit that.
It’s a very real possibility I’m using my own biases against these people
But I’ll be real, I’m gonna leave this thread because Ostro is ranting again
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:24 pm

After a while of racial abuse:

“child molesting faggots wearing Make America Great Again Hats!”

The preachers turn their attention to an African-American man who disagrees with their statements. They retort by calling him a “an uncle Tom coon nigger” and suggesting he “might as well put on one of those red hats”.

This man is standing in-between the MAGA teens and the preachers. And at some point during the back-and-forth, one of the preachers yells at the man: “You’ve got all these dirty-ass crackers behind you, with a red Make America Great Again Hat on, and your coon-ass, you wanna fight your brother”.

The moment the preacher says, “You’ve got all these dirty-ass crackers behind you…” the MAGA teens cheer in unison. (How racist of them to support a black man.).

This is the first time the teens engage with the protestors.

Now the MAGA teens become the target. The preachers waste no effort explaining to them that they are, in their opinion, “Racist hat wearing peckerwoods,” and “Dusty-ass crackers who can’t spend a minute in the sun.” They are also a “bunch of future school shooters”.

After about twenty more minutes of hate-speech from the preacher, The preachers then confront the group directly. They find the teens to be a “bunch of incest babies” and “white trailer park trash”. At this point, the teens reply with a chant. Not a racist or otherwise provocative chant. But simply their High-school chant. One of the boys even runs up in front of the others, takes of his shirt and encourages more school-spirit style chants.

Then, at 1:12:00 in the video, the Native American protestors return and walk right up to the kids. The Native American elder is beating his drum. The kids, still riled up from their chants, jump and sing along to the beat. No lyrics, just ‘Hey! Hey! Hey!’

At no point do the kids actively go and surround the Native American protestors.

At this point, one of the preachers who just an hour ago called the Native Americans “Totem worshipping uncle Tomahawks”, looks at the dancing kids and laments how those “Red hat wearing racists are mocking indigenous culture”.

“Taitano [one of the Native American protestors] said the whole incident started when the teens and four young African-Americans, who'd been preaching about the Bible nearby, started yelling and calling each other names. It got pretty intense, Taitano said, so Nathan Phillips, an elder with the Omaha tribe, started playing his drum and chanting what she was told was a healing prayer, to help defuse the situation (CNN).”


This is a lie.

What did the media focus on and why?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:26 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Cedoria wrote:Bwhahaha...

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The media ignored the black people here too because it didn't fit their anti-white narrative.

Here are some of the things they shouted at the native americans:
“You should not worship buffalos or eagles, this is why the Lord took away your land!”

“Damn women also disrupting shit with their emotions. You’re out of order. Where’s your husband at?”

“Bunch of uncle Tomahawks!”

If we're oh so concerned about racism against natives, why was this left out?

Weird American black supremacism of the non-Muslim sort seems to be a bit of an uncharted territory that doesn't ping the ratings-chasing radar, even in far right circles. I mean, an actual "kill all whites" extremist loved to hang out on camera at Trump's rallies and, as far as I know, Rachel Maddow, Queen of Nitpicky Storytelling, was the only one who noticed.

The absence of that, however, doesn't automatically signal an actual "anti-white narrative".

This kind of reads like a weird game of abductive reasoning you are playing.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:30 pm

Igueranel wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZTDIoywwGk

I'd watch this before getting in any arguments.

Because...?
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A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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