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Postby Liriena » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:47 pm

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Liriena wrote:This meme is brought to you by white grievance gang, where you get to feel like the victim while holding most of the power because historical underclasses fed up with your centuries of bullshit sometimes say unkind things.


The story is about racial harassment. Does it suddenly not matter to you when its white people? That's interesting.

"Racial harassment" as in the black Hebrew Israelites being racist and homophobic dickheads to the kids? Yeah, that does matter to me... in the same way the WBC matters to me: they're bigoted attention-whoring dickheads who revel in being as inflammatory as humanly possible.

The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:47 pm

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But that is a bad analogy because in modern times Christians are often persecuted by atheistic governments.

Either way you agree that using Puritans or Catholics as examples of Christians as a whole being oppressed is dumb, no?


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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:48 pm

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The story is about racial harassment. Does it suddenly not matter to you when its white people? That's interesting.

"Racial harassment" as in the black Hebrew Israelites being racist and homophobic dickheads to the kids? Yeah, that does matter to me... in the same way the WBC matters to me: they're bigoted attention-whoring dickheads who revel in being as inflammatory as humanly possible.

The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.


The native americans told the boys white people should go back to Europe and that they've only been here a few generations while natives have been here millions of years. They approached the boys to bang drums in their face and so on within the context of those boys already being harassed by minorities. They weren't acting smug Lir.

That's a photo deliberately chosen to push that idea. If you watch the footage he isn't like that for most of the encounter, he is avoiding eye contact and has a blank expression.
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Entreum wrote:If direct footage means nothing, then the direct footage that you are using to call out these kids means nothing.

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Ostroeuropa wrote:The boys are facing death threats now Lir. All because you guys up and believed the first white woman to cry rape about a black guy because it fits with your messed up view of reality.

So these boys got racially harassed, lied about to the public by a progressive media who still hasn't corrected their libel against them, the perpetrator got praise and so on (Common for progressive ideology due to their messed up ethical framework, celebrating abusers and so on), and threatened with death.

And this is your response:

"Well people just dont like whites because reasons."

Thats the problem lir.
You and people like you saying that shit like it matters.

I appreciate you giving me the exact same anti-progressive lecture you've been giving for the past couple years.
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Postby Entreum » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:49 pm

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The story is about racial harassment. Does it suddenly not matter to you when its white people? That's interesting.

"Racial harassment" as in the black Hebrew Israelites being racist and homophobic dickheads to the kids? Yeah, that does matter to me... in the same way the WBC matters to me: they're bigoted attention-whoring dickheads who revel in being as inflammatory as humanly possible.

The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.

They're high schoolers. What did you expect them to act like?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:50 pm

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Ostroeuropa wrote:The boys are facing death threats now Lir. All because you guys up and believed the first white woman to cry rape about a black guy because it fits with your messed up view of reality.

So these boys got racially harassed, lied about to the public by a progressive media who still hasn't corrected their libel against them, the perpetrator got praise and so on (Common for progressive ideology due to their messed up ethical framework, celebrating abusers and so on), and threatened with death.

And this is your response:

"Well people just dont like whites because reasons."

Thats the problem lir.
You and people like you saying that shit like it matters.

I appreciate you giving me the exact same anti-progressive lecture you've been giving for the past couple years.


Hasn't sunk in yet it would seem.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:51 pm

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Liriena wrote:"Racial harassment" as in the black Hebrew Israelites being racist and homophobic dickheads to the kids? Yeah, that does matter to me... in the same way the WBC matters to me: they're bigoted attention-whoring dickheads who revel in being as inflammatory as humanly possible.

The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.

They're high schoolers. What did you expect them to act like?

Allow me to yet again state that the kids were being dicks, and that’s all
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Postby Costa Fierro » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:51 pm

BTW did they actually do the haka (or attempt to do it) or was it just chanting?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:52 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:And you think that, in this case, the opponents in question are the entirety of white Americans, rather than... for instance... Trumpists?

I don't get why you feel you have to point out the last part. Are you implying that alleged "anti-white" racism on Twitter and women being the majority in certain institutions go hand in hand? Are you about to go BlackPigeonSpeaks on us?


"Not black people, just black thugs.".

Women are more likely to have internalized this toxic ideology, that's all.


There is nothing racist about holding individuals accountable for their bad behavior.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:52 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:BTW did they actually do the haka (or attempt to do it) or was it just chanting?


They were chanting a school anthem and bouncing up and down.

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Entreum wrote:They're high schoolers. What did you expect them to act like?

Allow me to yet again state that the kids were being dicks, and that’s all
I don’t know why we’re yelling about punishment and all that


How were they being dicks exactly? Be precise.
Do not rely on a photo image of a guy looking smug for one frozen moment in time.
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Postby Juristonia » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:53 pm

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Liriena wrote:"Racial harassment" as in the black Hebrew Israelites being racist and homophobic dickheads to the kids? Yeah, that does matter to me... in the same way the WBC matters to me: they're bigoted attention-whoring dickheads who revel in being as inflammatory as humanly possible.

The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.

They're high schoolers. What did you expect them to act like?

I don't know what kinda high school you went to, but mine was filled with regular obnoxious high school kids.
Not idiots like this.
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Liriena wrote:"Racial harassment" as in the black Hebrew Israelites being racist and homophobic dickheads to the kids? Yeah, that does matter to me... in the same way the WBC matters to me: they're bigoted attention-whoring dickheads who revel in being as inflammatory as humanly possible.

The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.

They're high schoolers. What did you expect them to act like?

I kind of agree with the hot take that ran around a lot that the main problem wasn't necessarily the kids so much as whoever was chaperoning them and did nothing to resolve this mess without causing a scene. You'd think their chaperones would have been ready and capable, given that the kids were there to attend an anti-choice rally, which is the sort of thing that is almost inherently synonymous with tense situations.
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Costa Fierro wrote:BTW did they actually do the haka (or attempt to do it) or was it just chanting?

What really got me was it seemed, to me at least, some of them were trying to do random gestures while chanting. One kid did what kinda looked like he was miming a headdress, which is a stereotype of natives in America
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Liriena wrote:[…]The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.



How? Fucking how? You’ve yet to explain how standing, and fucking smiling, is fucking smug. Tell how the native Americans didn’t do anything wrong when their fucking elder was banging a drum in a kids fucking face? If shit like smiling or chanting is fucking smug in your books, then what the fuck is banging a drum in a kids face to you?

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Costa Fierro wrote:BTW did they actually do the haka (or attempt to do it) or was it just chanting?


They were chanting a school anthem and bouncing up and down.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Allow me to yet again state that the kids were being dicks, and that’s all
I don’t know why we’re yelling about punishment and all that


How were they being dicks exactly? Be precise.
Do not rely on a photo image of a guy looking smug for one frozen moment in time.

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Costa Fierro wrote:BTW did they actually do the haka (or attempt to do it) or was it just chanting?

What really got me was it seemed, to me at least, some of them were trying to do random gestures while chanting. One kid did what kinda looked like he was miming a headdress, which is a stereotype of natives in America


>kinda looked like
Hahahahaha..

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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:57 pm

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Aellex wrote:I mean, if you're walking into a group, beating a drum and chanting, you clearly are looking for a reaction from it. It doesn't look like the kids did any harassment neither apart from not moving when he tried to force his way forward.

He wasn't walking "into" a group though, he was just walking in the groups direction - he didn't push himself in or force himself forwards, the kids moved to surround him when he was a few meters or feet from the nearest. And screaming at / flailing around in front of somebody is at best really obnoxious and dickish, though I'd certainly call it harassment.

Just as others have stated, he made a beeline for the group and played his drum. In fact, he stopped meters from the group (roughly at 1:12:35-36), but then he moved forward (roughly 1:12:40-41), as per his feet moving forward, to less than a meter in front of them (roughly 1:12:50-51, though the camera is pointed elsewhere for a time and he could have come to that point earlier), they parted a little for him, people came to see the spectacle (and some probably wanted a better view), including his own friends in the other Native American activists and the Black Israelites. This means that he, indeed, did move forward walking into a group and was surrounded by them and his own supporters; this is even funnier, because Mr. Phillips made no attempt to escape. What the students weren’t doing, however, was harassment. Mr. Phillips approached them and came less than a meter in front of them drumming his drum, not a few meters, not stating a word, and they began to mock him, as people do. This is not harassment. Mr. Philips tried nothing to deescalate the situation, did not say a word, only played his drum and did so, in other videos, a few inches front of a kids face. Is that not obnoxious and dickish at best, and harassment at worst? I know the stock answer, though, that he had a punchable face.
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Internationalist Bastard wrote:What really got me was it seemed, to me at least, some of them were trying to do random gestures while chanting. One kid did what kinda looked like he was miming a headdress, which is a stereotype of natives in America


>kinda looked like
Hahahahaha..

I’m telling you what I saw
I’m not claiming to be an omnipotent being that knows what they were doing, I’m just claiming how it looked to me
Would you like me to somehow give comments on what they were doing without mentioning what they did?
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Liriena wrote:I appreciate you giving me the exact same anti-progressive lecture you've been giving for the past couple years.


Hasn't sunk in yet it would seem.

It's not gonna "sink in" if it comes in the form of an angry accusatory rant that seems to mostly focus on chastising people for not sharing your exact same biases and having the exact same experiences to fall back on. And there's the added problem that you tend to fall back on a very narrow sample of sorts (UK progressivism) or focus on individual examples of "minor media personality says mean thing".

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Liriena wrote:[…]The natives Americans, however, did nothing wrong, and the high schoolers acted like smug dicks, in a way which some perceived as having unfortunate undertones.



How? Fucking how? You’ve yet to explain how standing, and fucking smiling, is fucking smug. Tell how the native Americans didn’t do anything wrong when their fucking elder was banging a drum in a kids fucking face? If shit like smiling or chanting is fucking smug in your books, then what the fuck is banging a drum in a kids face to you?


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Costa Fierro wrote:BTW did they actually do the haka (or attempt to do it) or was it just chanting?

What really got me was it seemed, to me at least, some of them were trying to do random gestures while chanting. One kid did what kinda looked like he was miming a headdress, which is a stereotype of natives in America


Also, obnoxious drum banging is best praxis.
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They were chanting a school anthem and bouncing up and down.



How were they being dicks exactly? Be precise.
Do not rely on a photo image of a guy looking smug for one frozen moment in time.

Native sees possible racial confrontation
Native approaches and begins to play music of peace
Group then surrounds and jokingly repeats the chants and miming dumb motions
Dumb asshole kids being dumb asshole kids


The native group joined in the racial harassment. They were not there to de-escalate the situation. For one thing they approached the victims so the notion is nonsensical, it is merely a lie he made up to make himself the victim.
The native group has members telling the boys to go back to europe and saying white people dont belong here.
THEN the kids started mocking them.
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Hasn't sunk in yet it would seem.

It's not gonna "sink in" if it comes in the form of an angry accusatory rant that seems to mostly focus on chastising people for not sharing your exact same biases and having the exact same experiences to fall back on. And there's the added problem that you tend to fall back on a very narrow sample of sorts (UK progressivism) or focus on individual examples of "minor media personality says mean thing".

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How? Fucking how? You’ve yet to explain how standing, and fucking smiling, is fucking smug. Tell how the native Americans didn’t do anything wrong when their fucking elder was banging a drum in a kids fucking face? If shit like smiling or chanting is fucking smug in your books, then what the fuck is banging a drum in a kids face to you?


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Internationalist Bastard wrote:What really got me was it seemed, to me at least, some of them were trying to do random gestures while chanting. One kid did what kinda looked like he was miming a headdress, which is a stereotype of natives in America


Also, obnoxious drum banging is best praxis.


You don't see how constant "Kill white people" might have contributed to the death threats? Interesting. That's not "mean" either Lir. It's incitement to violence.
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>kinda looked like
Hahahahaha..

I’m telling you what I saw
I’m not claiming to be an omnipotent being that knows what they were doing, I’m just claiming how it looked to me
Would you like me to somehow give comments on what they were doing without mentioning what they did?


No, I’d like you to fucking prove, with footage, since there is an absolute shit ton of it, that that was what they were indeed doing.

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Ostroeuropa wrote:constant "Kill white people"

How constant?
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


⚧Copy and paste this in your sig
if you passed biology and know
gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧

I disown most of my previous posts

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