Teens Surround And Denigrate Native Americans In DC

[Scomagia]

Nobody is suggesting it's OK to harass people, just that the 'victims' are cunty people.

Having opinions you don't like doesn't make people cunty. Why the scare quotes around 'victims', by the way? That kind of sends a contradictory message, you know?

[Ors Might]

So let me get this straight. Fifteen y/os get into confrontation with racists, dude tries to ease tensions with his drum solo, high schoolers do what high schoolers do and mock what feels absurd to them, media shits on kids for a few days. Is that about right?

[Ors Might]

That's not really the substance of my post but hey, reading isn't for everyone.

It really was.

The fact is that you sound much more like a fascist than these kids. It's not okay to harass people for opposing feticide and supporting an unpopular president. That is absolutely wrong.

'feticide'

and I never said anything about harassing people only that the kids are shitty people.

If one is of the belief that the unborn are human lives with intrinsic value and that bodily autonomy isn’t that important, then it’d be shitty for them not to be pro-life to some extent. Their own values require it.

[Scomagia]

So let me get this straight. Fifteen y/os get into confrontation with racists, dude tries to ease tensions with his drum solo, high schoolers do what high schoolers do and mock what feels absurd to them, media shits on kids for a few days. Is that about right?

The drum guy says he was trying to ease tensions but I don't see how drumming in somebody's face really accomplishes that. That's more something I would do if I was trying to piss people off.

Considering that he tried a few days later to crash Mass at an unrelated Catholic shrine, I'm going to lean more towards him being an attention seeking douche.

[Confederate States of German America]

I don't have to shove anything into your mouth when you say it naturally.

And yet you can't provide actual examples of me saying the words.

[Vassenor]

And yet you can't provide actual examples of me saying the words.

So where in there did I say it was OK? That was your original accusation after all.

[Scomagia]

Having opinions you don't like doesn't make people cunty.

Supporting fascists and opposing women's rights does though.

Why the scare quotes around 'victims', by the way? That kind of sends a contradictory message, you know?

Because they are still terrible people despite being victims.

Disagreeing with you doesn't make them terrible people. You honestly don't know the first thing about them.

[Ors Might]

So let me get this straight. Fifteen y/os get into confrontation with racists, dude tries to ease tensions with his drum solo, high schoolers do what high schoolers do and mock what feels absurd to them, media shits on kids for a few days. Is that about right?

The drum guy says he was trying to ease tensions but I don't see how drumming in somebody's face really accomplishes that. That's more something I would do if I was trying to piss people off.

Considering that he tried a few days later to crash Mass at an unrelated Catholic shrine, I'm going to lean more towards him being an attention seeking douche.

Figures. Never met a drummer that wasn’t douchey in some capacity.

[Confederate States of German America]

So where in there did I say it was OK? That was your original accusation after all.

Vass, you're shit at lying, especially given we have a quote function no less:

So where have I actually said "X did it too so this is fine!"? Where did I say any of this was OK?

Your entire argument is this; when the evil of this was brought up, your instinctive response was to cite an example from the other side of politics rather than show a thread of human decency and categorically reject it on all grounds.

[Ors Might]

If one is of the belief that the unborn are human lives with intrinsic value and that bodily autonomy isn’t that important, then it’d be shitty for them not to be pro-life to some extent. Their own values require it.

Yes it does. If your values require you to oppose womens rights and support a fascist then you are a shitty person. Fuck their 'values'.

Your argument only holds weight if one accepts your values. If one doesn’t believe that aborting the unborn via termination is a right that anyone should have, then opposing it isn’t opposing womens rights. It’s opposing, in their view, mass slaughter.

[Vassenor]

So where in there did I say it was OK? That was your original accusation after all.

Vass, you're shit at lying, especially given we have a quote function no less:

Your entire argument is this; when the evil of this was brought up, your instinctive response was to cite an example from the other side of politics rather than show a thread of human decency and categorically reject it on all grounds.

That you're incapable of doing anything else but "X did it too so this is fine!" really says a hell of a lot about you as a person. If you find what happened to Hogg deplorable you ought to have the fucking morality to say this was shit and call people out on it but you're too blinded by being a partisan.

I can quote your posts too.

[Ors Might]

The drum guy says he was trying to ease tensions but I don't see how drumming in somebody's face really accomplishes that. That's more something I would do if I was trying to piss people off.

Considering that he tried a few days later to crash Mass at an unrelated Catholic shrine, I'm going to lean more towards him being an attention seeking douche.

TIL Rosa Parks was an 'attention-seeking douche.'

Rosa Parks drummed at white bus drivers?

[Scomagia]

It really was.



'feticide'

and I never said anything about harassing people only that the kids are shitty people.

If one is of the belief that the unborn are human lives with intrinsic value and that bodily autonomy isn’t that important, then it’d be shitty for them not to be pro-life to some extent. Their own values require it.

Precisely. I'm not onboard with their views but I can at least see the logical thread behind them. They aren't terrible because we've arrived at different conclusions.

[Ors Might]

Rosa Parks drummed at white bus drivers?

She was rude to those white people who wanted her to sit at the back. /s

I don’t see how this is relevant. Drummer dude drummed at a bunch of kids. Rosa Parks refused to be treated as a second class citizen.

You’re being pretty damn demeaning towards the civil rights movement.

[Confederate States of German America]

Vass, you're shit at lying, especially given we have a quote function no less:

That you're incapable of doing anything else but "X did it too so this is fine!" really says a hell of a lot about you as a person. If you find what happened to Hogg deplorable you ought to have the fucking morality to say this was shit and call people out on it but you're too blinded by being a partisan.

I can quote your posts too.

But apparently understanding them is beyond you, clearly.

So where have I actually said "X did it too so this is fine!"? Where did I say any of this was OK?

Your entire argument is this; when the evil of this was brought up, your instinctive response was to cite an example from the other side of politics rather than show a thread of human decency and categorically reject it on all grounds.

[Ors Might]

If one is of the belief that the unborn are human lives with intrinsic value and that bodily autonomy isn’t that important, then it’d be shitty for them not to be pro-life to some extent. Their own values require it.

Precisely. I'm not onboard with their views but I can at least see the logical thread behind them. They aren't terrible because we've arrived at different conclusions.

If they were of the opinion that the right to bodily autonomy trumped the right to life but still opposed abortion, then I might think of then as terrible people. Their values are in conflict with their actions. But since they’re values seemingly aren’t conflicting with their actions, they’re just wrong.

[Scomagia]

Disagreeing with you doesn't make them terrible people.

Supporting a fascist and opposing women's rights does though.

You honestly don't know the first thing about them.

I know enough.

You know fuck all. You're reducing them to two views that they hold, views which we've never, you know, heard the reasoning or nuance for. You don't know anything at all about them as individuals. Grow the fuck up.

Again, your thinking would be absolutely welcome in a fascist society. "You think different? Fuck you, you're terrible!"

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Supporting a fascist and opposing women's rights does though.




I know enough.

You know fuck all. You're reducing them to two views that they hold, views which we've never, you know, heard the reasoning or nuance for. You don't know anything at all about them as individuals. Grow the fuck up.

Again, your thinking would be absolutely welcome in a fascist society. "You think different? Fuck you, you're terrible!"

Even if we did know of the nuance behind their views, they were still kids. They shouldn't be held to the same standard that adults are, since their political views were probably given to them by authority figures instead of being organically developed based on evidence.

[Des-Bal]

TIL Rosa Parks was an 'attention-seeking douche.'

I sure would like to hear how Nathan Phillips drumming in a teenager's face is the same as Rosa Parks taking a stand against an unjust law.

[Scomagia]

Precisely. I'm not onboard with their views but I can at least see the logical thread behind them. They aren't terrible because we've arrived at different conclusions.

If they were of the opinion that the right to bodily autonomy trumped the right to life but still opposed abortion, then I might think of then as terrible people. Their values are in conflict with their actions. But since they’re values seemingly aren’t conflicting with their actions, they’re just wrong.

What if someone holds abortion (we'll say at will abortions for the sake of discussion) to be immoral but holds government restriction of abortion to be more immoral? Is that person terrible in your estimation?

[The Black Forrest]

TIL Rosa Parks was an 'attention-seeking douche.'

I sure would like to hear how Nathan Phillips drumming in a teenager's face is the same as Rosa Parks taking a stand against an unjust law.

It isn't. He was simply trying to defuse the building situation between the teens and the BH......something the chaperones should have been doing.....

[The Black Forrest]

If they were of the opinion that the right to bodily autonomy trumped the right to life but still opposed abortion, then I might think of then as terrible people. Their values are in conflict with their actions. But since they’re values seemingly aren’t conflicting with their actions, they’re just wrong.

What if someone holds abortion (we'll say at will abortions for the sake of discussion) to be immoral but holds government restriction of abortion to be more immoral? Is that person terrible in your estimation?

Abortion debate is a tangent. The teens being at a protest is simply that. The incident didn't involve the morality or lack there of in this incident.....

[Scomagia]

You know fuck all. You're reducing them to two views that they hold, views which we've never, you know, heard the reasoning or nuance for. You don't know anything at all about them as individuals. Grow the fuck up.

Again, your thinking would be absolutely welcome in a fascist society. "You think different? Fuck you, you're terrible!"

Even if we did know of the nuance behind their views, they were still kids. They shouldn't be held to the same standard that adults are, since their political views were probably given to them by authority figures instead of being organically developed based on evidence.

Isn't that true for a lot of adults, too?

Personally, I think it's a little condescending to brush off someone's opinions because they are 15 or so. Either their arguments hold up or they don't.

[Ors Might]

If they were of the opinion that the right to bodily autonomy trumped the right to life but still opposed abortion, then I might think of then as terrible people. Their values are in conflict with their actions. But since they’re values seemingly aren’t conflicting with their actions, they’re just wrong.

What if someone holds abortion (we'll say at will abortions for the sake of discussion) to be immoral but holds government restriction of abortion to be more immoral? Is that person terrible in your estimation?

Depends on the values that they base those positions on. For the sake of argument, we’ll say that the latter position is based upon the value that using force to make people abide by your values is wrong, meaning that they opt for discussion and persuasion for “enforcing” the former position. In which case, I’d consider them perfectly fine people based on that analysis.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I don’t see how this is relevant. Drummer dude drummed at a bunch of kids. Rosa Parks refused to be treated as a second class citizen.

You’re being pretty damn demeaning towards the civil rights movement.

Because Native Americans have it so good....

Ironically enough, still better than Canada's own indigenous folk, so sit down.