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Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
To others. Conform contentedly to the will of others. Meekly abide. Be passive.

Thats literally a christian way of living though, you have a right to defend yourself and your beliefs in the public forum but in no way should one attempt to respond to agitation with further agitation... Thats what leads to violence and the eventual destruction of our values... Surrounding and mocking a man isnt going to get your values anywhere bud... Its the same reason I say that antifa is only hurting their own message when they attack people and break windows

Religion is literally the worst grounds to justify political beliefs on though. 'This is how God wants me to live' instantly means that your argument won't apply to the majority of your audience.

San Lumen wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
So are you going to tell me what they did that was racist? Is it perchance their headwear, or their skin colour?

Taunting indigenous peoples and showing them utter disrespect.

Taunting and disrespecting an indigenous person does not make you a racist.

The Black Party wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Taunting indigenous peoples and showing them utter disrespect.

Taunting and disrespecting an indigenous person does not make you a racist.

How?

should the government open up an "office for hurt feelings of native americans"?

San Lumen wrote:How?

Because insulting a person is not the same thing as hating a group.

San Lumen wrote:

The Black Party wrote:Taunting and disrespecting an indigenous person does not make you a racist.

How?

You know when you walk up to people who have absolutely nothing to do with what you're doing, right?
And then you start demonstrating in their faces?
You don't become the victim. You become the instigator.

San Lumen wrote:

The Black Party wrote:Taunting and disrespecting an indigenous person does not make you a racist.

How?

What do you mean how? Racism is to believe in the inherent superiority or inferiority of a race. Disrespecting an indigenous person, or even persons, is not racist. Disrespecting someone because they are indigenous is racist.

Have you ever disrespected someone? What colour were they? By your logic, you're a racist against that race.

It would do you good to understand the dictionary definition of racism prior to calling people racist.

Loben wrote:should the government open up an "office for hurt feelings of native americans"?

No, because that's racist. Why doesn't every other group with hurt feelings get an office?

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Thats literally a christian way of living though, you have a right to defend yourself and your beliefs in the public forum but in no way should one attempt to respond to agitation with further agitation... Thats what leads to violence and the eventual destruction of our values... Surrounding and mocking a man isnt going to get your values anywhere bud... Its the same reason I say that antifa is only hurting their own message when they attack people and break windows

Religion is literally the worst grounds to justify political beliefs on though. 'This is how God wants me to live' instantly means that your argument won't apply to the majority of your audience.

Living the way god wants us to is literally how we have managed to advance this far as a society and the ideal that im "preaching" is easily something that has been accepted a secular practice... Free democratic societies cannot and will not survive if agitation is responded to with agitation... What you are suggesting is the devolution of republican values championed since the enlightenment

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Still, it was really stupid.

I've seen stupider shit in fucking high school.

Not worthy of being featured on national news outlets.

Meh, that's up to them to decide.

Not alot going on other then Trump being a man baby about the wall.

The native American in question was allegedly bashing the US and was pro-AIM so his speech was political. These teens are under no obligation to roll over for him or to not object to his speech by virtue of his being native American. At best, this was in poor form.

This would be like if some Jewish liberal badmouthed Germany and a bunch of German patriots went to go mock him. He engaged in political speech or activism and got that back in spades from the opposing side.

San Lumen wrote:

Trumptonium1 wrote:
So are you going to tell me what they did that was racist? Is it perchance their headwear, or their skin colour?

Taunting indigenous peoples and showing them utter disrespect.

Taunting indigenous people how? By standing still and being approached then chanting to his beat after he started banging his drum in one guy's face?

Loben wrote:should the government open up an "office for hurt feelings of native americans"?

https://www.bia.gov

There is something called the Bureau of Indian Affairs

Saiwania wrote:The native American in question was allegedly bashing the US and was pro-AIM so his speech was political. These teens are under no obligation to roll over for him or to not object to his speech by virtue of his being native American. At best, this was in poor form.

This would be like if some Jewish liberal badmouthed Germany and a bunch of German patriots went to go mock him. He engaged in political speech or activism and got that back in spades from the opposing side.

Sorry but give proof before making unfounded accusations.

Des-Bal wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How?

Because insulting a person is not the same thing as hating a group.

It's okay, this is a lost argument, San Lumen still believes that Trump is a sexist because he called Rosie O'Donnell a pig.

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Religion is literally the worst grounds to justify political beliefs on though. 'This is how God wants me to live' instantly means that your argument won't apply to the majority of your audience.

Living the way god wants us to is literally how we have managed to advance this far as a society and the ideal that im "preaching" is easily something that has been accepted a secular practice... Free democratic societies cannot and will not survive if agitation is responded to with agitation... What you are suggesting is the devolution of republican values championed since the enlightenment

You assume I want society to continue. Of everyone who anybody cares to debate with on this forum, I am almost certainly the one they agree with the least, given I believe that the only way for society to get out of the current rut is for a complete breakdown to occur.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Loben wrote:should the government open up an "office for hurt feelings of native americans"?

No, because that's racist. Why doesn't every other group with hurt feelings get an office?

ask the dept of indian affairs or whateverthefuck

Saiwania wrote:The native American in question was allegedly bashing the US and was pro-AIM so his speech was political. These teens are under no obligation to roll over for him or to not object to his speech by virtue of his being native American. At best, this was in poor form.

This would be like if some Jewish liberal badmouthed Germany and a bunch of German patriots went to go mock him. He engaged in political speech or activism and got that back in spades from the opposing side.

Gonna need a sauce for that allegation, bossman

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Des-Bal wrote:
Because insulting a person is not the same thing as hating a group.

It's okay, this is a lost argument, San Lumen still believes that Trump is a sexist because he called Rosie O'Donnell a pig.

There is also the tape talking about certain things

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

San Lumen wrote:How?

You know when you walk up to people who have absolutely nothing to do with what you're doing, right?
And then you start demonstrating in their faces?
You don't become the victim. You become the instigator.

He was literally trying to leave but was blocked from doing so lmao

Trumptonium1 wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
Taunting indigenous peoples and showing them utter disrespect.

Taunting indigenous people how? By standing still and being approached then chanting to his beat after he started banging his drum in one guy's face?

All he did was perform a service by providing them a good beat to chant to

Trumptonium1 wrote:

Des-Bal wrote:
Because insulting a person is not the same thing as hating a group.

It's okay, this is a lost argument, San Lumen still believes that Trump is a sexist because he called Rosie O'Donnell a pig.

you mean shes not?

San Lumen wrote:

Loben wrote:should the government open up an "office for hurt feelings of native americans"?

https://www.bia.gov

There is something called the Bureau of Indian Affairs

Lumen, do you even understand the concept of sarcasm?

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Meh, that's up to them to decide.

Not alot going on other then Trump being a man baby about the wall.

Well we killed 50+ people with an airstrike in Somalia. Also you just do a new story every few hours on one of the many, many countries we are fighting in for often unclear reasons despite having never actually been at war since dropping the atomic bomb.

San Lumen wrote:

Saiwania wrote:The native American in question was allegedly bashing the US and was pro-AIM so his speech was political. These teens are under no obligation to roll over for him or to not object to his speech by virtue of his being native American. At best, this was in poor form.

This would be like if some Jewish liberal badmouthed Germany and a bunch of German patriots went to go mock him. He engaged in political speech or activism and got that back in spades from the opposing side.

Sorry but give proof before making unfounded accusations.

Bold of you to criticize someone for making an "unfounded accusation" when you did the same just moments earlier.