Teens Surround And Denigrate Native Americans In DC

[Des-Bal]

Honestly, it really goes to show the state of journalism that huge outlets like CNN would run with a story based on a short clip taken out of context that they found on twitter, without bothering whatsoever to examine the entire video and publish the actual story, which goes something like this: Native Americans bang drums and chant at a bunch of highschool students while a crowd of "Black Hebrew Israelites" proceed to yell racial epithets at both groups. Then this elderly guy has the nerve to feign victimhood at the hands of one obviously uncomfortable and confused youth while blue checkmarks rally to try and ruin these kids' lives.

They have to run stories like that, otherwise they wouldn't get as many viewers/readers because by the time they had facts everyone would already have heard about it and made decisions based on twitter and bloggers.

[Camelone]

Now that the mainstream media are all tripping over their own dicks to give the teens positive coverage and even interview the smirker in chief, even though even more new footage is coming out showing that some of the teens did, in fact, say some unequivocally shitty stuff over the course of that day... welp, I guess this is yet another case study in how much the liberal media hates white Americans.

I do wonder how they're gonna credibly sustain the teens' underdog image when they were only able to rehabilitate their public image and sow doubts as to the validity of the criticism they've received thanks to their rich parents hiring a crisis management firm with ties to CNN.

Or maybe it is the media realizing they fucked up big time and unleashed a hate mob onto a bunch of high schoolers and someone there, CNN probably, started to think that was a little shitty of them to do.

[Ethel mermania]

Nice of you to finally admit it, thanks.

Don't cats hate all humans?

All but the ones who put food in the bowl and clean my litterbox. We are biased that way, I have to admit.

[Des-Bal]

Now that the mainstream media are all tripping over their own dicks to give the teens positive coverage and even interview the smirker in chief, even though even more new footage is coming out showing that some of the teens did, in fact, say some unequivocally shitty stuff over the course of that day... welp, I guess this is yet another case study in how much the liberal media hates white Americans.

I do wonder how they're gonna credibly sustain the teens' underdog image when they were only able to rehabilitate their public image and sow doubts as to the validity of the criticism they've received thanks to their rich parents hiring a crisis management firm with ties to CNN.

How about the fact that when a group of teenagers were harassed by two different groups of adults for their political beliefs everyone and their grandmother jumped in to put the boots to them, trying to cost people their education, or their jobs, and threatening to murder to them because one of them happens to have a very punchable face?

Or the fact that when it became apparent they were not forming a mob to surround and harass minorities instead of admitting thata maybe they were just a touch too hasty people started looking for any reason at all to continue the narrative that they're a bunch of shits going as far as to take one person's idiotic joke as an indictment against the entire group?

[Liriena]

I do wonder how they're gonna credibly sustain the teens' underdog image when they were only able to rehabilitate their public image and sow doubts as to the validity of the criticism they've received thanks to their rich parents hiring a crisis management firm with ties to CNN.

Or maybe it is the media realizing they fucked up big time and unleashed a hate mob onto a bunch of high schoolers and someone there, CNN probably, started to think that was a little shitty of them to do.

I'm gonna go with an alternate hot take: "liberal media, by its liberal nature, lacks the tools to commit to a serious conversation on racism and, given enough time, will always default to the pretense of 'moderation' by uncritically accepting the right-wing narrative without delving deep into the validity of its argumentation or its motives". We see this a lot with issues not related to race: liberal media sometimes may show some curiosity towards left-wing ideas and activism, but it has an undying habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance, which leads us to ghouls like David Brooks Bari Weiss getting full access to the New York Times as an uncritical platform for their propaganda.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm pretty sure the biggest impact of this is that Republicans are going to cite this every time someone criticizes conservatism for the next three years. Hopefully the intelligent ones won't, but there are a lot of conservatives who don't seem to have any arguments other than whataboutism.

[Vassenor]

So you're just going to deflect then?

What's there to deflect? You're fishing for reasons to be upset because you're mad that there is NO STORY HERE.

If I'm the mad one, why are you the one shouting and constantly trying to change the subject back to your preferred source of outrage?

[Liriena]

I'm pretty sure the biggest impact of this is that Republicans are going to cite this every time someone criticizes conservatism for the next three years. Hopefully the intelligent ones won't, but there are a lot of conservatives who don't seem to have any arguments other than whataboutism.

I was almost tempted to argue that the media cycle is inevitably going to lead to this becoming yesterday's news very fast... but then I remembered that right-wingers are still making references to the bike lock antifa guy to this day, so...

[Des-Bal]

If I'm the mad one, why are you the one shouting and constantly trying to change the subject back to your preferred source of outrage?

You're saying he's deflecting by trying to turn the subject back to the topic of the thread instead of this thing you brought up after your side lost?

[Camelone]

Or maybe it is the media realizing they fucked up big time and unleashed a hate mob onto a bunch of high schoolers and someone there, CNN probably, started to think that was a little shitty of them to do.

I'm gonna go with an alternate hot take: "liberal media, by its liberal nature, lacks the tools to commit to a serious conversation on racism and, given enough time, will always default to the pretense of 'moderation' by uncritically accepting the right-wing narrative without delving deep into the validity of its argumentation or its motives". We see this a lot with issues not related to race: liberal media sometimes may show some curiosity towards left-wing ideas and activism, but it has an undying habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance, which leads us to ghouls like David Brooks Bari Weiss getting full access to the New York Times as an uncritical platform for their propaganda.

Except in this case they 100% screwed the pooch and made way to many assumptions, they even called the Black Hebrews “upstanding black men preaching about the Bible and oppression” that’s from CNN I believe. They got their facts wrong, made to many assumptions, and attempted to make a racist issue out of a face crime and false information. So yeah the least they can do is try and fix the mess that they made.

[Liriena]

I do wonder how they're gonna credibly sustain the teens' underdog image when they were only able to rehabilitate their public image and sow doubts as to the validity of the criticism they've received thanks to their rich parents hiring a crisis management firm with ties to CNN.

How about the fact that when a group of teenagers were harassed by two different groups of adults for their political beliefs everyone and their grandmother jumped in to put the boots to them, trying to cost people their education, or their jobs, and threatening to murder to them because one of them happens to have a very punchable face?

We'll see how much mileage they can get out of that narrative once they start going into interviews and get asked about their actual worldviews.

[Liriena]

I'm pretty sure the biggest impact of this is that Republicans are going to cite this every time someone criticizes conservatism for the next three years. Hopefully the intelligent ones won't, but there are a lot of conservatives who don't seem to have any arguments other than whataboutism.

As opposed to the liberal go to, which appears to be "muh racism".

Joke's on you: not a liberal. ;3

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm pretty sure the biggest impact of this is that Republicans are going to cite this every time someone criticizes conservatism for the next three years. Hopefully the intelligent ones won't, but there are a lot of conservatives who don't seem to have any arguments other than whataboutism.

I was almost tempted to argue that the media cycle is inevitably going to lead to this becoming yesterday's news very fast... but then I remembered that right-wingers are still making references to the bike lock antifa guy to this day, so...

To be honest, I assume that every significant failure on the left is going to become "but what about this" fuel until proven otherwise. That's one of the main reasons I stopped taking the ideology seriously.

[Des-Bal]

We'll see how much mileage they can get out of that narrative once they start going into interviews and get asked about their actual worldviews.

If that changes the equation at all it's evidence of bad faith. If you kick someone's ass and then later find out they were a dick you weren't justified.

[Liriena]

they even called the Black Hebrews “upstanding black men preaching about the Bible and oppression” that’s from CNN I believe.

...did they?

They got their facts wrong, made to many assumptions, and attempted to make a racist issue out of a face crime and false information. So yeah the least they can do is try and fix the mess that they made.

A commitment to clarity and fairness is good... although I'm skeptic that that's what the "fix the mess that they made" is going to entail.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm pretty sure the biggest impact of this is that Republicans are going to cite this every time someone criticizes conservatism for the next three years. Hopefully the intelligent ones won't, but there are a lot of conservatives who don't seem to have any arguments other than whataboutism.

As opposed to the liberal go to, which appears to be "muh racism".

...You do realize this just proves my point, right?

[Vassenor]

I'm gonna go with an alternate hot take: "liberal media, by its liberal nature, lacks the tools to commit to a serious conversation on racism and, given enough time, will always default to the pretense of 'moderation' by uncritically accepting the right-wing narrative without delving deep into the validity of its argumentation or its motives". We see this a lot with issues not related to race: liberal media sometimes may show some curiosity towards left-wing ideas and activism, but it has an undying habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance, which leads us to ghouls like David Brooks Bari Weiss getting full access to the New York Times as an uncritical platform for their propaganda.

Liberal media has a "habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance"? The NYT as an "uncritical platform"? What alternative universe have you been living in?

Joke's on you: not a liberal. ;3

Never said you were.

Were you paying attention to CNN's election coverage, where every single point about how bad Trump was was immediately followed up with a BUT HILLARY to force balance?

[Camelone]

How about the fact that when a group of teenagers were harassed by two different groups of adults for their political beliefs everyone and their grandmother jumped in to put the boots to them, trying to cost people their education, or their jobs, and threatening to murder to them because one of them happens to have a very punchable face?

We'll see how much mileage they can get out of that narrative once they start going into interviews and get asked about their actual worldviews.

Then take political beliefs out of that wording. They were harassed first by the Black Hebrews then Mr. Phillip’s in all his wisdom goes up to a group of pumped up teenagers beating a drum assuming that they will immediately know what he is doing despite the problem he is probably the first native most of the boys have seen. Not to mention the race argument where one of the Natives got into an argument with another of the kids in the group saying “Go back to Europe” and stuff like, and surprisingly enough smirking kid, who you seem to despise due to face crime, attempts to gesture to him to cut out the arguing. Yeah for a group of teenagers in a racially charged environment they did pretty good compared to the adults. So yeah maybe, just maybe, this whole race issue in this incident is less serious than you are making it to be.

[Camelone]

Liberal media has a "habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance"? The NYT as an "uncritical platform"? What alternative universe have you been living in?



Never said you were.

Were you paying attention to CNN's election coverage, where every single point about how bad Trump was was immediately followed up with a BUT HILLARY to force balance?

Isn’t that the law though?

[Vassenor]

Were you paying attention to CNN's election coverage, where every single point about how bad Trump was was immediately followed up with a BUT HILLARY to force balance?

Isn’t that the law though?

The FCC eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. The Equal-Time Rule requires that the candidates in question specifically request it.

[Liriena]

I'm gonna go with an alternate hot take: "liberal media, by its liberal nature, lacks the tools to commit to a serious conversation on racism and, given enough time, will always default to the pretense of 'moderation' by uncritically accepting the right-wing narrative without delving deep into the validity of its argumentation or its motives". We see this a lot with issues not related to race: liberal media sometimes may show some curiosity towards left-wing ideas and activism, but it has an undying habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance, which leads us to ghouls like David Brooks Bari Weiss getting full access to the New York Times as an uncritical platform for their propaganda.

Liberal media has a "habit of giving a larger share of their platform to people with right-wing opinions out of a misplaced sense of balance"? The NYT as an "uncritical platform"? What alternative universe have you been living in?

The one where Bari Weiss and David Brooks get to have a column on the NYT? The one where the NYT employed Ross Douthat
and Bush foreign policy cheerleader Thomas Friedman?

[Liriena]

All of this in the wake of the whole BuzzFeed/Mueller Probe thing.

You mean this BuzzFeed/Mueller probe thing? Mueller's office claims that BuzzFeed's report is inaccurate, but mentions no specifics and doesn't explain either way whether they claim the inaccuracies are partial or if the entire report is unreliable. And since BuzzFeed is doubling down...

[Camelone]

they even called the Black Hebrews “upstanding black men preaching about the Bible and oppression” that’s from CNN I believe.

...did they?

They got their facts wrong, made to many assumptions, and attempted to make a racist issue out of a face crime and false information. So yeah the least they can do is try and fix the mess that they made.

A commitment to clarity and fairness is good... although I'm skeptic that that's what the "fix the mess that they made" is going to entail.

Alright I’m going to have to share a longer video as the clip where it is mentioned I can not find a stand alone of it. As I can not find the original due to the YouTuber not citing his sources I do not know the context of the quote and due to said YouTubers political bias I can not actually fully trust the clip not being out of context so I’m going to have to retract that. I can still share it with a time stamp of the clip if you want.

To my mind anything to calm the hate mob that formed because of jumping the gun. The form that takes I am unsure.

I apologize if I’m getting a little riled up but something similar where a situation gotten taken out of context happened to me and nearly cost me my scholarships and my social life. Granted the situation is different but it hits the nerve still.

[Telconi]

As opposed to the liberal go to, which appears to be "muh racism".

...You do realize this just proves my point, right?

Why stop doing what works?

[Scomagia]

All of this in the wake of the whole BuzzFeed/Mueller Probe thing.

You mean this BuzzFeed/Mueller probe thing? Mueller's office claims that BuzzFeed's report is inaccurate, but mentions no specifics and doesn't explain either way whether they claim the inaccuracies are partial or if the entire report is unreliable. And since BuzzFeed is doubling down...

Buzzfeed is garbage. They either had a bad source or blatantly made shit up. In either case, the fact that their claims were dismissed by Mueller's office lends a lot of credence to the fact that they screwed the pooch. Of course nothing specific was mentioned as being inaccurate because Mueller isn't just going to start giving out information haphazardly to fact check a third rate news organization.