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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:40 am

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Oh please use a "real" source. Speculation attacks are nonsense when considering how easy it is to check if a person was in the military.


Marines weren't sent to Vietnam when he was old enough to join and he has referred to himself a a "Vietnam Era Veteran" not a "Vietnam Veteran."


TBF I know people who lied about their age to enlist even in vietnam
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:42 am

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Marines weren't sent to Vietnam when he was old enough to join and he has referred to himself a a "Vietnam Era Veteran" not a "Vietnam Veteran."


Still speculation.

I am surprised nobody has verified his military status.

requires a FOIA request. Takes time.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:44 am

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Still speculation.

I am surprised nobody has verified his military status.


Speculation is forming a theory without real evidence. We know marines weren't deployed to vietnam when he was old enough to join, we know he refers to himself as a Vietnam Times Veteran.

Vietnam Era Veteran is how you designate someone who served in the military during the Vietnam war but never went to Vietnam.

Also people are trying to verify his military status, I'm not sure how you think it works but it takes a Freedom of Information Act request.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:46 am

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Oh please use a "real" source. Speculation attacks are nonsense when considering how easy it is to check if a person was in the military.


But he does have a history of misrepresenting situation to paint himself as a victim.


Oh I did see that. I am just saying if this is concern which it should be if he is claiming to be a combat veteran; people should start the process to get his DD-214 rather then speculate.
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Postby Minzerland II » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:48 am

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Minzerland II wrote:Aspersions have been cast over Mr. Nathan Philips story, particularly that he was a Vietnam Veteran, including that he was also supposedly doing similar things in 2014-15, that he’s worked as an actor (in a music video, I am 7nsure if this is him) and that he has changed story and tact. Whilst I can say that I am hestitant to doubt his service in the military, I think it is obvious that he changed stories throughout the affair.


Oh please use a "real" source. Speculation attacks are nonsense when considering how easy it is to check if a person was in the military.

Like CNN?

Furthermore, I intentionally shaped my language to reflect my own doubts and hesitancy to believe the accusation, especially by the end there. The purpose was to show what I found via twitter, much like those videos that threw some more heat on the teenagers even in my eyes.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:48 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh I did see that. I am just saying if this is concern which it should be if he is claiming to be a combat veteran; people should start the process to get his DD-214 rather then speculate.


They've done so and should have it in a few weeks or a few hundred days.

edit: Of course he's not actually claiming to be a combat veteran.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:50 am

Des-Bal wrote:
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Oh I did see that. I am just saying if this is concern which it should be if he is claiming to be a combat veteran; people should start the process to get his DD-214 rather then speculate.


They've done so and should have it in a few weeks or a few hundred days.

edit: Of course he's not actually claiming to be a combat veteran.


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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:51 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Marines weren't sent to Vietnam when he was old enough to join and he has referred to himself a a "Vietnam Era Veteran" not a "Vietnam Veteran."


TBF I know people who lied about their age to enlist even in vietnam


Me too. My buddy did a couple tours with the rangers.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:52 am

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Who has requested it?

Nebulous "good guys"
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Of course by the time it's resolved we'll have stopped caring about this.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:55 am

Des-Bal wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Who has requested it?

Nebulous "good guys"
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2019/0 ... l-problem/

Of course by the time it's resolved we'll have stopped caring about this.


Nebulous? sure. However, facts are still facts no matter who presents them.

Stop caring?!?!?!?!?! You suggesting people have short term memory?

What were we talking about?
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Postby Unithonia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:57 am

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"Discrimination against a portion of a group isn't discrimination of that group" is certainly a hot take. It is entirely possible, and occasionally happens, that white people are discriminated against.

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Postby Karu Nadu » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:10 pm

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Just a reminder that Hispanics are just as European as most American whites

Depends which country.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:20 pm

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Just a reminder that Hispanics are just as European as most American whites


I was born here, I lived my entire life here. Dare I say I'm as native to the Americas as these protestors are.
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Postby Karu Nadu » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:41 pm

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Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Just a reminder that Hispanics are just as European as most American whites


I was born here, I lived my entire life here. Dare I say I'm as native to the Americas as these protestors are.

It's about history. Were your ancestors partially wiped of the face of the Earth?

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:44 pm

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I was born here, I lived my entire life here. Dare I say I'm as native to the Americas as these protestors are.

It's about history. Were your ancestors partially wiped of the face of the Earth?


I don't think we were sneezing on them to intentionally wipe them out.

Most of their deaths were from accidental spread of diseases they were not immunized against, and while we do need to slip in a "sorry" about that, it was almost (key word here is almost) never intentional.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:00 pm

Now that the mainstream media are all tripping over their own dicks to give the teens positive coverage and even interview the smirker in chief, even though even more new footage is coming out showing that some of the teens did, in fact, say some unequivocally shitty stuff over the course of that day... welp, I guess this is yet another case study in how much the liberal media hates white Americans.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:05 pm

Liriena wrote:Now that the mainstream media are all tripping over their own dicks to give the teens positive coverage and even interview the smirker in chief, even though even more new footage is coming out showing that some of the teens did, in fact, say some unequivocally shitty stuff over the course of that day... welp, I guess this is yet another case study in how much the liberal media hates white Americans.


Nice of you to finally admit it, thanks.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:06 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Liriena wrote:Now that the mainstream media are all tripping over their own dicks to give the teens positive coverage and even interview the smirker in chief, even though even more new footage is coming out showing that some of the teens did, in fact, say some unequivocally shitty stuff over the course of that day... welp, I guess this is yet another case study in how much the liberal media hates white Americans.


Nice of you to finally admit it, thanks.


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Postby Karu Nadu » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:07 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:It's about history. Were your ancestors partially wiped of the face of the Earth?


I don't think we were sneezing on them to intentionally wipe them out.

Most of their deaths were from accidental spread of diseases they were not immunized against, and while we do need to slip in a "sorry" about that, it was almost (key word here is almost) never intentional.

You're mostly right, but after most of them were dead, we forced them off their homelands, and onto camps, where, to this day, they live in terrible conditions.

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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:07 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Nice of you to finally admit it, thanks.


Don't cats hate all humans?

This is, of course, a complete misunderstanding. Cats don't hate. They just don't care.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:09 pm

Karu Nadu wrote:
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I don't think we were sneezing on them to intentionally wipe them out.

Most of their deaths were from accidental spread of diseases they were not immunized against, and while we do need to slip in a "sorry" about that, it was almost (key word here is almost) never intentional.

You're mostly right, but after most of them were dead, we forced them off their homelands, and onto camps, where, to this day, they live in terrible conditions.


This time, you are indeed right on this

Such things WERE atrocities that we WILLINGLY committed, and this is where the big deal is.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:11 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Karu Nadu wrote:It's about history. Were your ancestors partially wiped of the face of the Earth?


I don't think we were sneezing on them to intentionally wipe them out.

Most of their deaths were from accidental spread of diseases they were not immunized against, and while we do need to slip in a "sorry" about that, it was almost (key word here is almost) never intentional.


Lord Jeffrey Amherst wants to talk to you.

The rules were bent more then a few times to say it was mainly accidental.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I don't think we were sneezing on them to intentionally wipe them out.

Most of their deaths were from accidental spread of diseases they were not immunized against, and while we do need to slip in a "sorry" about that, it was almost (key word here is almost) never intentional.


Lord Jeffrey Amherst wants to talk to you.

The rules were bent more then a few times to say it was mainly accidental.


Aaah, our very first English Governor of Quebec, I see!

Also, have you completely ignored the mention of the key word, which is ALMOST?

Attempts at biological warfare were definitely attempted on Native Americans a few times.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:16 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Lord Jeffrey Amherst wants to talk to you.

The rules were bent more then a few times to say it was mainly accidental.


Sure there was a lot of fucked up shit but it was mostly accidental, that's not to minimize anything it's just that the amount of depopulation that occurred as a result of accidental disease transmission is staggering.
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Postby Liriena » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:18 pm

Liriena wrote:Now that the mainstream media are all tripping over their own dicks to give the teens positive coverage and even interview the smirker in chief, even though even more new footage is coming out showing that some of the teens did, in fact, say some unequivocally shitty stuff over the course of that day... welp, I guess this is yet another case study in how much the liberal media hates white Americans.

I do wonder how they're gonna credibly sustain the teens' underdog image when they were only able to rehabilitate their public image and sow doubts as to the validity of the criticism they've received thanks to their rich parents hiring a crisis management firm with ties to CNN.
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