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Since Trumptonium is abandoning his thread, I'll be posting one in its place. As he said though, it is a big deal with the European Parliament being reduced to 705 seats(unless the insanity of Brexit reaches Hunter S. Thompson proportions, which it might), and the Euroscpetics are looking for as many as a third of the seats in the new parliament(225 according to current projections). Greens and far-left parties, too, are poised to make gains. The old parties are still around, but some of the newer ones are still trying to form Europarties. France's En Marche!, for example, wants to set up its own group, but they still can't get the votes from other countries. M5S, from Italy, has thought about setting up its own anti-establishment Eurosceptic party. Whatever the grousing look like, one thing that is certain is that turnout will consist, as it usually does, of exactly eight people and a particularly intelligent rottweiler...except in Belgium where voting is compulsory.

So, let's look at the major groupings! (Don't take it personally if I've left your country out, I'm getting what are considered the major ones on here)

European People's Party(EPP): Centre-right, Pro-European, Liberal Conservative, Christian Democratic
Major members include the UK Conservatives(just in case), Austria's ÖVP, Belgium's CD&V and cdH, Czechia's KDU-CSL and TOP 09, France's Republicans, Denmark's Conservatives, Finland's KoK, Germany's CDU/CSU, Greece's ND, Hungary's Fidesz(why, I have no idea), Ireland's Fine Gael, Italy's Forza Italia, The Netherlands' CDA, Poland's PO, Portugal's PSD, Spain's PP, and Sweden's Moderates.

Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats(S&D): Centre-left, Social Democratic, Pro-European
Major members include Austria's SPÖ, Belgium's PS/sp.a, Czechia's CSSD, Denmark's Social Democrats, Finland's SDP, France's PS, Germany's SPD, Greece's PASOK, Hungary's MSZP, Ireland's Labour, Italy's PD, The Netherlands' PvdA, Portugal's PS, Spain's PSOE, Sweden's Social Democrats, and UK's Labour.

European Conservatives and Reformists(ECR): Right Wing, Eurosceptic, Conservative, Economic Liberalism
Major members include Belgium's NVA(no Walloon equivalent in ECR), Czechia's ODS, Denmark's DPP, Finland's Finns Party, The Netherlands' CU and SGP, Poland's PiS, Sweden's Sweden Democrats, and 18 UK Conservatives and 1 UUP.

Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe(ALDE): Social Liberalism, Pro-European, Conservative Liberalism
Major members include Austria's NEOS, Belgium's VLD and MR, Czechia's ANO 2011, Denmark's Venstre and Radical Left, Finland's Centre Party and SFP, France's MoDem and UDI, Germany's FDP, Ireland's Fianna Fail, a small section of Italy's PD, The Netherlands' VVD and D66, Spain's Ciudadanos, Sweden's Liberals and Centre Party, and UK's Liberal Democrats.

Greens-European Free Alliance(Greens-EFA): Eurofederalism, Green Politics, Regionalism
Major members include Austria's GRÜNE, Belgium's Ecolo and Groen, Denmark's SF, Finland's VIHR, France's EELV, Germany's Alliance 90/Greens, Ireland's Green Party, The Netherlands' GroenLinks, Sweden's MP, and UK's Greens, SNP, and PC.

European United Left-Nordic Green Left(EUL-NGL): Soft Eurosceptic, Democratic Socialist, Left Wing to Far Left
Major Members include Czechia's KSCM, Finland's Left Alliance, France's Left Front(including the PCF), Germany's Die Linke, Greece's SYRIZA, Ireland's(and Northern Ireland's) Sinn Fein, The Netherlands' SD and PvdD, Portugal's PCP-PEV, Spain's PODEMOS, and Sweden's Left Party.

Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy(EFDD): Eurosceptic, Right wing, Populist
Major Members include Germany's AfD, Italy's M5S, Poland's Wolność(Liberty), and a section of UK's UKIP.

Europe of Nations and Freedom(ENF): Right-wing to Far-right, Eurosceptic, Populist, Nationalist
Major Members include Austria's FPÖ, Belgium's VB, France's RN(formerly FN), Germany's Blue Party, Italy's Lega, The Netherlands' PVV, Poland's KNP, and UK's UKIP.

Then, we have the Non-inscrits that are either too radical or independent for any of the major groups. Greece's Golden Dawn and KKE both belong to this one, as do a handful of independents.

Right then, whom do you support?

Personally, I'm in favour of S&D as a major party, but with a transferable vote, I'd actually say the Greens-EFA for first and EUL-NGL for second, and S&D for third. Europe needs to fight back against this populist storm and work towards the old goal of ever greater union.

EDIT: Now that Britain's staying until Halloween, the Parliament will actually be 751 seats like before.

Well, if I was European, I'd say the Socialists and Democrats myself. Yes, there are some problems, but Social Democracy is the best choice for Europe, and it can lead to less bowing to the altar of neoliberal economics without eliminating the necessary bonds that Europe needs to strengthen.

Probably going to vote for the France insoumise party (left-wing populist party) or the PCF (French Communist Party), I like their new leader.

i ll supposely burn my electoral paper. italy. last, it was national election, i was at the poll, and voted no parties (white, nul), always voted before.

not that i don t support, i voted Bonino amongst others, radical and liberals, once affiliated with alde (centrist, liberals). still i know, also this, it won t pass the threshold.

i voted, still not pass the treshold. not for this. i suppose we ve 'lost', european union is not formable, i mean, it was a thing 22 years ago (Pannella speech).

aquisgrane agreement, not for this, still it is a signature of this thing. purely formal confederation is not an union, no sense to be in european union while Berlusconi italy.

i will burn it, still after, not a tragedy: i promise i will ask an other electoral paper and vote, as soon as Parliament Is Elected Again in Italy. Republic. national parliament.

I Want Political Rights Again: Congressmen And Senators Elected. have a good chance, break the line. i always voted before. enough. union was a mean to overthrow partitocracy, also.

the ancient regime conferate union is no worth. for a republic of republics, hurray, ave morituri te salutant, as romans said (who is deemed to die cheers to you).

before bring an elected parliament, and about european parliament: bastard states change the electoral law for their own seats, we need 'shared seats party lists'.

have a good chance, Bonino, Spinelli and the others, still i suppose the thing is done, can t do anything keeping with this.

european parliament should depose european council, still the regimes keep the eu parliament filled with shame, so that isn t able to act. this last is the topic.

thread can be closed and someone else can make one, too time-consuming and bothersome to create a good-looking thread for this.

I support the the Christian Democratic Union of Germany and its affiliates around Europe belonging to the European People's Party.

Bienenhalde wrote:I support the the Christian Democratic Union of Germany and its affiliates around Europe belonging to the European People's Party.

This thread's technically closed, I'm going to make a new one and put the linky up when it's ready.

Since Trumptonium is abandoning his thread, I'll be posting one in its place. As he said though, it is a big deal with the European Parliament being reduced to 705 seats(unless the insanity of Brexit reaches Hunter S. Thompson proportions, which it might), and the Euroscpetics are looking for as many as a third of the seats in the new parliament(225 according to current projections). Greens and far-left parties, too, are poised to make gains. The old parties are still around, but some of the newer ones are still trying to form Europarties. France's En Marche!, for example, wants to set up its own group, but they still can't get the votes from other countries. M5S, from Italy, has thought about setting up its own anti-establishment Eurosceptic party. Whatever the grousing look like, one thing that is certain is that turnout will consist, as it usually does, of exactly eight people and a particularly intelligent rottweiler...except in Belgium where voting is compulsory.

So, let's look at the major groupings! (Don't take it personally if I've left your country out, I'm getting what are considered the major ones on here)

European People's Party(EPP): Centre-right, Pro-European, Liberal Conservative, Christian Democratic
Major members include the UK Conservatives(just in case), Austria's ÖVP, Belgium's CD&V and cdH, Czechia's KDU-CSL and TOP 09, France's Republicans, Denmark's Conservatives, Finland's KoK, Germany's CDU/CSU, Greece's ND, Hungary's Fidesz(why, I have no idea), Ireland's Fine Gael, Italy's Forza Italia, The Netherlands' CDA, Poland's PO, Portugal's PSD, Spain's PP, and Sweden's Moderates.

Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats(S&D): Centre-left, Social Democratic, Pro-European
Major members include Austria's SPÖ, Belgium's PS/sp.a, Czechia's CSSD, Denmark's Social Democrats, Finland's SDP, France's PS, Germany's SPD, Greece's PASOK, Hungary's MSZP, Ireland's Labour, Italy's PD, The Netherlands' PvdA, Portugal's PS, Spain's PSOE, Sweden's Social Democrats, and UK's Labour.

European Conservatives and Reformists(ECR): Right Wing, Eurosceptic, Conservative, Economic Liberalism
Major members include Belgium's NVA(no Walloon equivalent in ECR), Czechia's ODS, Denmark's DPP, Finland's Finns Party, The Netherlands' CU and SGP, Poland's PiS, Sweden's Sweden Democrats, and 18 UK Conservatives and 1 UUP.

Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe(ALDE): Social Liberalism, Pro-European, Conservative Liberalism
Major members include Austria's NEOS, Belgium's VLD and MR, Czechia's ANO 2011, Denmark's Venstre and Radical Left, Finland's Centre Party and SFP, France's MoDem and UDI, Germany's FDP, Ireland's Fianna Fail, a small section of Italy's PD, The Netherlands' VVD(for some weird reason) and D66, Spain's Ciudadanos, Sweden's Liberals and Centre Party, and UK's Liberal Democrats.

Greens-European Free Alliance(Greens-EFA): Eurofederalism, Green Politics, Regionalism
Major members include Austria's GRÜNE, Belgium's Ecolo and Groen, Denmark's SF, Finland's VIHR, France's EELV, Germany's Alliance 90/Greens, Ireland's Green Party, The Netherlands' GroenLinks, Sweden's MP, and UK's Greens, SNP, and PC.

European United Left-Nordic Green Left(EUL-NGL): Soft Eurosceptic, Democratic Socialist, Left Wing to Far Left
Major Members include Czechia's KSCM, Finland's Left Alliance, France's Left Front(including the PCF), Germany's Die Linke, Greece's SYRIZA, Ireland's(and Northern Ireland's) Sinn Fein, The Netherlands' SD and PvdD, Portugal's PCP-PEV, Spain's PODEMOS, and Sweden's Left Party.

Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy(EFDD): Eurosceptic, Right wing, Populist
Major Members include Germany's AfD, Italy's M5S, Poland's Wolność(Liberty), and a section of UK's UKIP.

Europe of Nations and Freedom(ENF): Right-wing to Far-right, Eurosceptic, Populist, Nationalist
Major Members include Austria's FPÖ, Belgium's VB, France's RN(formerly FN), Germany's Blue Party, Italy's Lega, The Netherlands' PVV, Poland's KNP, and UK's UKIP.

Then, we have the Non-inscrits that are either too radical or independent for any of the major groups. Greece's Golden Dawn and KKE both belong to this one, as do a handful of independents.

Right then, whom do you support?

Personally, I'm in favour of S&D as a major party, but with a transferable vote, I'd actually say the Greens-EFA for first and EUL-NGL for second, and S&D for third. Europe needs to fight back against this populist storm and work towards the old goal of ever greater union.

Here you all go: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458551

OK mods, lock this one up...please.

Shrillland wrote:Here you all go: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458551

OK mods, lock this one up...please.

Nope, it doesn't work that way. Trumptonium can't abandon something he doesn't own. I merged your new thread into this one.

Farnhamia wrote:

Shrillland wrote:Here you all go: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=458551

OK mods, lock this one up...please.

Nope, it doesn't work that way. Trumptonium can't abandon something he doesn't own. I merged your new thread into this one.

If that’s the case could you switch Trumptonium’s and Shrillland’s OP around?

miracles have been committed

Thermodolia wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:Nope, it doesn't work that way. Trumptonium can't abandon something he doesn't own. I merged your new thread into this one.

If that’s the case could you switch Trumptonium’s and Shrillland’s OP around?

I replaced T's OP with S's.

to correct the OP, the EPP are not part of the EPP

This might change Europe's course for better or for worse.

Farnhamia wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:If that’s the case could you switch Trumptonium’s and Shrillland’s OP around?

I replaced T's OP with S's.

And S is now the OP. You owe ... we'll send you an invoice.

Farnhamia wrote:

Farnhamia wrote:I replaced T's OP with S's.

And S is now the OP. You owe ... we'll send you an invoice.

I'll gladly pay what is owed. Thanks for that.

Trumptonium1 wrote:to correct the OP, the EPP are not part of the EPP

Sorry, what? Did you mean the PP, because I went down the list of who's in what.

The coalition of the EPP, ALDE, and S&D has proven to be a coalition of complacency, relative apathy and mismanagement. But I know the populist right insurgencies would be leagues worse.

Essentially, does one vote for the milquetoast bureaucrats who lazily half-ass their jobs and fall victim to all-around do-nothingness, or does one vote for the people offering no tangible solutions and opportunities for reform, just half-assed, lazy and downright dangerous xenophobia?

I'll easily take the former there and hope the more mainstream European parties understand that for their electoral relevance to continue, they need to work to reform the European Union, the European Parliament, and much that has to do with the institutions and legislative processes of the body themselves.

Major-Tom wrote:The coalition of the EPP, ALDE, and S&D has proven to be a coalition of complacency, relative apathy and mismanagement. But I know the populist right insurgencies would be leagues worse.

Essentially, does one vote for the milquetoast bureaucrats who lazily half-ass their jobs and fall victim to all-around do-nothingness, or does one vote for the people offering no tangible solutions and opportunities for reform, just half-assed, lazy and downright dangerous xenophobia?

I'll easily take the former there and hope the more mainstream European parties understand that for their electoral relevance to continue, they need to work to reform the European Union, the European Parliament, and much that has to do with the institutions and legislative processes of the body themselves.

What about the Greens or the EUL-NGL? They're only opposed to the EU being a pillar of neoliberalism, and the Greens know that the best thing for Europe is further integration.

Shrillland wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:The coalition of the EPP, ALDE, and S&D has proven to be a coalition of complacency, relative apathy and mismanagement. But I know the populist right insurgencies would be leagues worse.

Essentially, does one vote for the milquetoast bureaucrats who lazily half-ass their jobs and fall victim to all-around do-nothingness, or does one vote for the people offering no tangible solutions and opportunities for reform, just half-assed, lazy and downright dangerous xenophobia?

I'll easily take the former there and hope the more mainstream European parties understand that for their electoral relevance to continue, they need to work to reform the European Union, the European Parliament, and much that has to do with the institutions and legislative processes of the body themselves.

What about the Greens or the EUL-NGL? They're only opposed to the EU being a pillar of neoliberalism, and the Greens know that the best thing for Europe is further integration.

I actually am alright with the Greens as a whole - wish they would completely reevaluate their stances on nuclear power and perhaps tone down some of their ultra-federalist members, but depending on the country, I’d consider voting for them.

EUL-NGL probably has decent intentions, but is definitely to the left of where I stand for the most part, but that grouping having a fair sized influence isn’t a bad thing per se.

I mainly bring up the Coalition and right wing populists because those seem to be the most talked about and covered sorts of groupings.

pardon. this is not to insult the author of thread @Shrilland, nevertheless, epp and s&d are definitely not "pro-european".

this is valid beyond all what you wish to say as 'pro-european'. i have to say this is a harsh fault so that giving no sense to all this.

some representative apart, vast majority and the head of epp and s&d are not pro-european.

there is no chance in this.

Phoenicaea wrote:pardon. this is not to insult the author of thread @Shrilland, nevertheless, epp and s&d are definitely not "pro-european".

this is valid beyond all what you wish to say as 'pro-european'. i have to say this is a harsh fault so that giving no sense to all this.

some representative apart, vast majority and the head of epp and s&d are not pro-european.

there is no chance in this.

Well, most of them aren't eurosceptics save for a few that have become more extreme in recent years like Fidesz.

While I prefer the ideology of GUE-NGL the party I support in my home country (Labour) is S&D. (I find myself aligning more with GUE-NGL parties than S&D parties in other countries)

So either one of those two would get my vote probably.

Shrillland wrote:Since Trumptonium is abandoning his thread, I'll be posting one in its place. As he said though, it is a big deal with the European Parliament being reduced to 705 seats(unless the insanity of Brexit reaches Hunter S. Thompson proportions, which it might), and the Euroscpetics are looking for as many as a third of the seats in the new parliament(225 according to current projections). Greens and far-left parties, too, are poised to make gains. The old parties are still around, but some of the newer ones are still trying to form Europarties. France's En Marche!, for example, wants to set up its own group, but they still can't get the votes from other countries. M5S, from Italy, has thought about setting up its own anti-establishment Eurosceptic party. Whatever the grousing look like, one thing that is certain is that turnout will consist, as it usually does, of exactly eight people and a particularly intelligent rottweiler...except in Belgium where voting is compulsory.

So, let's look at the major groupings! (Don't take it personally if I've left your country out, I'm getting what are considered the major ones on here)

European People's Party(EPP): Centre-right, Pro-European, Liberal Conservative, Christian Democratic
Major members include the UK Conservatives(just in case), Austria's ÖVP, Belgium's CD&V and cdH, Czechia's KDU-CSL and TOP 09, France's Republicans, Denmark's Conservatives, Finland's KoK, Germany's CDU/CSU, Greece's ND, Hungary's Fidesz(why, I have no idea), Ireland's Fine Gael, Italy's Forza Italia, The Netherlands' CDA, Poland's PO, Portugal's PSD, Spain's PP, and Sweden's Moderates.

Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats(S&D): Centre-left, Social Democratic, Pro-European
Major members include Austria's SPÖ, Belgium's PS/sp.a, Czechia's CSSD, Denmark's Social Democrats, Finland's SDP, France's PS, Germany's SPD, Greece's PASOK, Hungary's MSZP, Ireland's Labour, Italy's PD, The Netherlands' PvdA, Portugal's PS, Spain's PSOE, Sweden's Social Democrats, and UK's Labour.

European Conservatives and Reformists(ECR): Right Wing, Eurosceptic, Conservative, Economic Liberalism
Major members include Belgium's NVA(no Walloon equivalent in ECR), Czechia's ODS, Denmark's DPP, Finland's Finns Party, The Netherlands' CU and SGP, Poland's PiS, Sweden's Sweden Democrats, and 18 UK Conservatives and 1 UUP.

Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe(ALDE): Social Liberalism, Pro-European, Conservative Liberalism
Major members include Austria's NEOS, Belgium's VLD and MR, Czechia's ANO 2011, Denmark's Venstre and Radical Left, Finland's Centre Party and SFP, France's MoDem and UDI, Germany's FDP, Ireland's Fianna Fail, a small section of Italy's PD, The Netherlands' VVD and D66, Spain's Ciudadanos, Sweden's Liberals and Centre Party, and UK's Liberal Democrats.

Greens-European Free Alliance(Greens-EFA): Eurofederalism, Green Politics, Regionalism
Major members include Austria's GRÜNE, Belgium's Ecolo and Groen, Denmark's SF, Finland's VIHR, France's EELV, Germany's Alliance 90/Greens, Ireland's Green Party, The Netherlands' GroenLinks, Sweden's MP, and UK's Greens, SNP, and PC.

European United Left-Nordic Green Left(EUL-NGL): Soft Eurosceptic, Democratic Socialist, Left Wing to Far Left
Major Members include Czechia's KSCM, Finland's Left Alliance, France's Left Front(including the PCF), Germany's Die Linke, Greece's SYRIZA, Ireland's(and Northern Ireland's) Sinn Fein, The Netherlands' SD and PvdD, Portugal's PCP-PEV, Spain's PODEMOS, and Sweden's Left Party.

Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy(EFDD): Eurosceptic, Right wing, Populist
Major Members include Germany's AfD, Italy's M5S, Poland's Wolność(Liberty), and a section of UK's UKIP.

Europe of Nations and Freedom(ENF): Right-wing to Far-right, Eurosceptic, Populist, Nationalist
Major Members include Austria's FPÖ, Belgium's VB, France's RN(formerly FN), Germany's Blue Party, Italy's Lega, The Netherlands' PVV, Poland's KNP, and UK's UKIP.

Then, we have the Non-inscrits that are either too radical or independent for any of the major groups. Greece's Golden Dawn and KKE both belong to this one, as do a handful of independents.

Right then, whom do you support?

Personally, I'm in favour of S&D as a major party, but with a transferable vote, I'd actually say the Greens-EFA for first and EUL-NGL for second, and S&D for third. Europe needs to fight back against this populist storm and work towards the old goal of ever greater union.

You did not include pan-European parties such as Volt Europa and Diem25. I am member of Volt Europa.

Liburia wrote:You did not include pan-European parties such as Volt Europa and Diem25. I am member of Volt Europa.

Were he to include all parties the thread would be several pages long in the OP itself.

The only parties which currently have members in the Europarliament and the only parties which appear in polls at any level - continental or domestic - are the ones covered in the OP already.