2019 European Parliament Elections

[North German Realm]

I'm not from Europe, but if I was living in a European Country that was a member of the EU, I'd probably vote for Greens-EFA. I would have voted for EFDD if it was actually a party for Freedom and Direct Democracy rather than xenophobic Eurosceptic Populism.

[Nakena]

Ohhh my, Darth Bannon is getting active in european elections.

I am very excited.

Are you?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/21/steve-b ... tions.html

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-t ... ns-1434592

[Shrillland]

It's the final day, and polls are open in:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Spain, and Sweden.

[Parti Ouvrier]

'FRANCE - Early results put Le Pen's National Rally in lead with 23.2%'
https://www.euronews.com/2019/05/24/eur ... kingNews=1
^Not a surprise, a setback for Macron, but Le Pen's party's performance, not as good as it's supporters probably expected.
Also, in the i-weekend paper article, regional polling estimates put Brexit Party on 29 MEPs, Labour 18 MEPs, Tories 6, Remain backing parties, LibDems, Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru and Change, 17.

I will be watching live results soon, flicking between, euronews, France24, and BBC

[Shrillland]

Here's the full results by Europarty:

EPP: 179(-42)
S&D: 150(-41)
ALDE: 107(+40)
EFA: 70(+20)
ENF: 58(+58)
ECR: 58(-12)
EFD: 56(+8)
EUL-NGL: 38(-14)
Others: 28(+28)
Non-inscrits: 7(-45)

And after looking at Britain's 36.7% turnout, I've got a theory that it's deliberate. This way, average voters who never turn up for Euro votes can complain about the undemocratic government that's democratically elected.

[Outer Sparta]

Here's the full results by Europarty:

EPP: 179(-42)
S&D: 150(-41)
ALDE: 107(+40)
EFA: 70(+20)
ENF: 58(+58)
ECR: 58(-12)
EFD: 56(+8)
EUL-NGL: 38(-14)
Others: 28(+28)
Non-inscrits: 7(-45)

And after looking at Britain's 36.7% turnout, I've got a theory that it's deliberate. This way, average voters who never turn up for Euro votes can complain about the undemocratic government that's democratically elected.

I've expected the populist and eurosceptic bunch to do better. I'm also pleasantly surprised that the Greens had gains.

[Shrillland]

Here's the full results by Europarty:

EPP: 179(-42)
S&D: 150(-41)
ALDE: 107(+40)
EFA: 70(+20)
ENF: 58(+58)
ECR: 58(-12)
EFD: 56(+8)
EUL-NGL: 38(-14)
Others: 28(+28)
Non-inscrits: 7(-45)

And after looking at Britain's 36.7% turnout, I've got a theory that it's deliberate. This way, average voters who never turn up for Euro votes can complain about the undemocratic government that's democratically elected.

I've expected the populist and eurosceptic bunch to do better. I'm also pleasantly surprised that the Greens had gains.

Well, they did pretty well in Britain and France and arguably Hungary, but the rest were just the normal parties rising and falling. PiS in Poland framed this as a values election, and they ended up winning, as if they would do anything else.

[Outer Sparta]

I've expected the populist and eurosceptic bunch to do better. I'm also pleasantly surprised that the Greens had gains.

Well, they did pretty well in Britain and France and arguably Hungary, but the rest were just the normal parties rising and falling. PiS in Poland framed this as a values election, and they ended up winning, as if they would do anything else.

The Brexit Party is UKIP but in a different name. They did manage to decimate the Tories, so it's a different story this year. Fidesz might join EPP or one of the other two right-wing parties.

[Nakena]

Here's the full results by Europarty:

EPP: 179(-42)
S&D: 150(-41)
ALDE: 107(+40)
EFA: 70(+20)
ENF: 58(+58)
ECR: 58(-12)
EFD: 56(+8)
EUL-NGL: 38(-14)
Others: 28(+28)
Non-inscrits: 7(-45)

And after looking at Britain's 36.7% turnout, I've got a theory that it's deliberate. This way, average voters who never turn up for Euro votes can complain about the undemocratic government that's democratically elected.

Interesting. Good that EPP and S&D lost some feathers. That alone makes me happy with the results.

As for the low turnout, I more suspect that they think that they wont be much longer in the EU or that it isnt going to be relevant thus. But thats just my guess.

[Shrillland]

Here's the full results by Europarty:

EPP: 179(-42)
S&D: 150(-41)
ALDE: 107(+40)
EFA: 70(+20)
ENF: 58(+58)
ECR: 58(-12)
EFD: 56(+8)
EUL-NGL: 38(-14)
Others: 28(+28)
Non-inscrits: 7(-45)

And after looking at Britain's 36.7% turnout, I've got a theory that it's deliberate. This way, average voters who never turn up for Euro votes can complain about the undemocratic government that's democratically elected.

Interesting. Good that EPP and S&D lost some feathers. That alone makes me happy with the results.

As for the low turnout, I more suspect that they think that they wont be much longer in the EU or that it isnt going to be relevant thus. But thats just my guess.

Turnout tends to be low continent-wide except in the compulsory countries anyway..

[Bronzite]

Interesting. Good that EPP and S&D lost some feathers. That alone makes me happy with the results.

As for the low turnout, I more suspect that they think that they wont be much longer in the EU or that it isnt going to be relevant thus. But thats just my guess.

Turnout tends to be low continent-wide except in the compulsory countries anyway..

This^ I saw on BBC that this was the second highest turnout in the UK ever for EU elections? Woof.

[Risottia]

And after looking at Britain's 36.7% turnout, I've got a theory that it's deliberate.

I've got the theory that British electors just don't want to stay in the EU, so we're better off without Britain asap, deal or no deal.

[The Blaatschapen]

Interesting. Good that EPP and S&D lost some feathers. That alone makes me happy with the results.

As for the low turnout, I more suspect that they think that they wont be much longer in the EU or that it isnt going to be relevant thus. But thats just my guess.

Turnout tends to be low continent-wide except in the compulsory countries anyway..

Turnout in NL was higher than last time

[The Alma Mater]

Turnout tends to be low continent-wide except in the compulsory countries anyway..

Turnout in NL was higher than last time

And both the SP and the PVV got what they wanted: they left the EU;)

[Duhon]

Too much tribalist legroom. Way, way too much.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Props to PiS in Poland for defying opinion polls and getting a higher % of the vote than they were ever predicted (actual 46%, highest poll 43% in March, 10-poll average 37.22%, 20-poll average 38.1%)

Not only did they beat opinion polls: they literally beat almost the entire opposition in the country which united against them from the far left to the centre-right. The "European Coalition", which consisted of parties that got 49% of the vote in 2014, included former ruling centre-right Christian Democrat party PO, the centre-left SLD, agrarians, three centrist parties, two centre-left liberal parties, two centre-right liberal party, a feminist party and even a pro-family party that is economically left.

All in all, 12 parties with half the vote in 2014 united under one banner to beat a single right-wing conservative party in an election where their voters typically don't turn out because they are mildly eurosceptic.

....and they failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... on_(Poland)

PiS (right-wing) - 45.6% (up from 39%)
European Coalition (far left to centre right) - 38.3% (down from 49%)
Wiosna (social democrat/liberal) - 6% (new)
Nationalist Coalition (right wing to far right) - 4.6% (down from 7%)
K15 (anti establishment right wing) - 3.7% (new)

PO and the liberal parties are economically right, so it would be better to see this as a liberal vs conservative battle. In 2014 it was 50/50, today that turned 55/45 conservative.

What a super surprising result, despite the opinion polls they swung nearly 10% above what they were predicted to get by even the most generous pollsters. Turnout was much higher in southern Poland (middle class) than predicted, which drove the PiS vote. Some battleground cities like Krakow (half conservative half liberal) swung to the right.

What a strong position they put themselves in for the general election in 5 months.

[Shrillland]

Props to PiS in Poland for defying opinion polls and getting a higher % of the vote than they were ever predicted (actual 46%, highest poll 43% in March, 10-poll average 37.22%, 20-poll average 38.1%)

Not only did they beat opinion polls: they literally beat almost the entire opposition in the country which united against them from the far left to the centre-right. The "European Coalition", which consisted of parties that got 49% of the vote in 2014, included former ruling centre-right Christian Democrat party PO, the centre-left SLD, agrarians, three centrist parties, two centre-left liberal parties, two centre-right liberal party, a feminist party and even a pro-family party that is economically left.

All in all, 12 parties with half the vote in 2014 united under one banner to beat a single right-wing conservative party in an election where their voters typically don't turn out because they are mildly eurosceptic.

....and they failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... on_(Poland)

PiS (right-wing) - 45.6% (up from 39%)
European Coalition (far left to centre right) - 38.3% (down from 49%)
Wiosna (social democrat/liberal) - 6% (new)
Nationalist Coalition (right wing to far right) - 4.6% (down from 7%)
K15 (anti establishment right wing) - 3.7% (new)

PO and the liberal parties are economically right, so it would be better to see this as a liberal vs conservative battle. In 2014 it was 50/50, today that turned 55/45 conservative.

What a super surprising result, despite the opinion polls they swung nearly 10% above what they were predicted to get by even the most generous pollsters. Turnout was much higher in southern Poland (middle class) than predicted, which drove the PiS vote. Some battleground cities like Krakow (half conservative half liberal) swung to the right.

What a strong position they put themselves in for the general election in 5 months.

Well, as I said, they made it a values-based election, I read some of the reports coming from Reuters and the like. Pity Wiosna couldn't join in, their leader's basically everything Kaczynski hates...though I won't go so far as to say Kaczynski's homophobic, I don't know about that.

[Definitely Not Trumptonium]

Props to PiS in Poland for defying opinion polls and getting a higher % of the vote than they were ever predicted (actual 46%, highest poll 43% in March, 10-poll average 37.22%, 20-poll average 38.1%)

Not only did they beat opinion polls: they literally beat almost the entire opposition in the country which united against them from the far left to the centre-right. The "European Coalition", which consisted of parties that got 49% of the vote in 2014, included former ruling centre-right Christian Democrat party PO, the centre-left SLD, agrarians, three centrist parties, two centre-left liberal parties, two centre-right liberal party, a feminist party and even a pro-family party that is economically left.

All in all, 12 parties with half the vote in 2014 united under one banner to beat a single right-wing conservative party in an election where their voters typically don't turn out because they are mildly eurosceptic.

....and they failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_ ... on_(Poland)

PiS (right-wing) - 45.6% (up from 39%)
European Coalition (far left to centre right) - 38.3% (down from 49%)
Wiosna (social democrat/liberal) - 6% (new)
Nationalist Coalition (right wing to far right) - 4.6% (down from 7%)
K15 (anti establishment right wing) - 3.7% (new)

PO and the liberal parties are economically right, so it would be better to see this as a liberal vs conservative battle. In 2014 it was 50/50, today that turned 55/45 conservative.

What a super surprising result, despite the opinion polls they swung nearly 10% above what they were predicted to get by even the most generous pollsters. Turnout was much higher in southern Poland (middle class) than predicted, which drove the PiS vote. Some battleground cities like Krakow (half conservative half liberal) swung to the right.

What a strong position they put themselves in for the general election in 5 months.

Well, as I said, they made it a values-based election, I read some of the reports coming from Reuters and the like. Pity Wiosna couldn't join in, their leader's basically everything Kaczynski hates...though I won't go so far as to say Kaczynski's homophobic, I don't know about that.

Not really, it was a pretty normal election. They couldn't make it a values election because they are strongly affiliated with the Catholic Church in Poland, which has been embroiled in a super big scandal over the past two months because of pedophilia in the clergy, and churchgoing rates have gone into freefall (they were already falling for the past 30 years, though).

The election from the PiS perspective was down to stopping a European Army (which they said would be 'Germans running Poland again') and preventing Poland from entering the Eurozone (which they said would be terrible for sovereignty, the national economy and consumer prices, pointing to Lithuanians and Slovaks living on the border who travel to Poland everyday to shop.)

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Also, Italy and Poland are now majority Eurosceptic by MEPs. For 2014-2019 that was only Hungary.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It seems like a pretty decent election all around, strong results from Eurosceptic parties in the UK, Poland, France and Italy. Pity that Vox and AfD came up so short though.

[Phoenicaea]

^ @Greater vakolicci, i can say about place where i live, italy has not been 'decent'. i can t figure how media regime describes it. it was allegedly slightly worst than before.

i won t comment any further, it is difficult because of the english language, the nonsense of politics grammar, the egemony of altered words, the cliff berween real and propaganda.

your comment has quite few sense, 'eurosceptics' arranges different parties and it doesn t mean quite a thing.

i respect uk decision of abandon the 'ruined ship', yet this is not about uk is about eu which is a soup of diverse countries.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

@Greater vakolicci, i can say about place where i live, italy has not been 'decent'. i can t figure how media regime describes it. it was even slightly worst than before.

i won t comment any further, it is difficult because of the english language, the nonsense of politics grammar, the egemony of altered words, the cliff berween real and propaganda.

I support Lega in Italy, and they did pretty well didn't they?

[Phoenicaea]

^ @greater vakolicci, if i see your posts and the rest, and then you say 'i support'..eccetera, it is how you wish, you lord of yourself.

still, it seems you are either contradiction with yourself or deeply ignorant about. depends on what is the filter from which you know about these parties.

sample given, i will not describe that, i will say it is hugely below human dignity. it is the worst sewage of the past long-reigning parties.

they claim the fascist heir, still proportionally they don t even share the culture. eu has collapsed before these, not certainly because of them.

they will bring italy out, of course, this is the only realistical thing you get, still they will make it in their mafia sewage and misery.

their time of being held upside down will come, sure, still useless, because they pollute the country. so that decent people can t live here.

[Liriena]

From the results so far, liberal and green parties have been the bigger winners, while the far right seems to have only made significant gains in Italy and the UK.

Could have been worse.

[SD_Film Artists]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48419144

Labour remainers; do you honestly think that Corbyn shares your values or are you just holding out in the hope that he'll change?

[Liriena]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48419144

Labour remainers; do you honestly think that Corbyn shares your values or are you just holding out in the hope that he'll change?

You posed literally the same thing in the UK thread