Inquisitions and jihads. Why do theists and tax payers respe

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Op why do you come off acting so superior to everyone? You accuse religious people of being closed minded and bigoted, yet you’re strawmanning and making gross generalizations. I’m a Christian, and I don’t support genocide. The vast majority of both Christians and Muslims don’t support genocide.

I agree with Gen. You seriously need to chill.

Yahweh/Jesus is a genocidal son murdering God

Yeah, you're not Christian.

[GnosticChristian]

Most of what you have a problem with in Christianity comes from incorrect assumptions based on the Old Testament. The jews were an angry bunch, but a good chunk of the Old Testament is not considered by Chirstianity to be canon, perse.

All the old testament is canon - but we operate under the new testament.

It confuses most people but - the new testament fulfills the old. The lessons remain the same, but the applications are different.

Your scriptures say that once God says something, like a testament, he never changes his mind.

Saying there is a new testament is, as your bible says, liker saying that God screwed up the first time.

Jesus said he came to fulfil the law. The Jewish law of the O.T.

But if you don't know your bible enough to agree, let's go with the N.T. and discuss it's moral tenets.

Let's start with this.

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Rather reminiscent of this one.

Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: `Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

Do you approve of that genocidal thinking in both religions?

I have a lot more. Can you take the truth?

Regards
DL

[Jolthig]

Take it from an antitheist that you need to get off your high horse and chill OP.

Take it from me that if you are not actively fighting the vile religions that are harming society as we speak, that your morals need improving.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

Humanity centered religions, good? Yes. Esoteric ecumenist Gnostic Christianity being the best of these.

Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

Regards
DL

Strawmanning people a lot also makes me question your morals. Because it makes it look like you are lying about other people's faiths, and that's exactly what you're doing is lying. Stop lying.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

All the old testament is canon - but we operate under the new testament.

It confuses most people but - the new testament fulfills the old. The lessons remain the same, but the applications are different.

Your scriptures say that once God says something, like a testament, he never changes his mind.

Saying there is a new testament is, as your bible says, liker saying that God screwed up the first time.

Jesus said he came to fulfil the law. The Jewish law of the O.T.

But if you don't know your bible enough to agree, let's go with the N.T. and discuss it's moral tenets.

Let's start with this.

Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.

Rather reminiscent of this one.

Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: `Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

Do you approve of that genocidal thinking in both religions?

I have a lot more. Can you take the truth?

Regards
DL

How do get genocide out of that? If you want to know what a verse means there's scholars who've studied this:
https://www.biblestudytools.com/comment ... 19-27.html
And you misquoted the Holy Qur'an. This is surah 8, ayah 7: https://legacy.quran.com/8/7

[Pope Joan]

Jihad is a grassroots movement which has been callously co opted by powerful Sunni state (the Sauds) and Israel (for whom it is a convenient tool against Iran and Hezbollah)

As such, it now has very little to do with real religion

False

Let me guess, you identify as Sunni?

Then you are part of the problem

You can start repenting by getting out of Yemen

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

As much as I dislike Islam, I feel the need to correct OP's ignorant assumption that Jihad automatically means "holy war". This isn't true; Jihad translates roughly to "struggle" which can refer to a wide variety of things from social change to self-improvement to indeed holy war. It's a bit silly to utilize such vague terminology IMO, but it is what it is.

Furthermore, the Inquisition was a purely Catholic institution not found in any other denomination of Christianity be it Orthodoxy, Oriental, or Protestant. Even then it was only implemented in certain Catholic countries such as Peru, France, Portugal, Mexico, the Papal States, and of course most famously, Spain. I'm not familiar with any other Inquisition in the rest of the Catholic World during the Middle Ages or after.

Equating the two is thus quite baffling because one is inherently bad yet localized to a specific Church while the other is inherently vague yet known throughout the entire faith regardless of sect.

[Jolthig]

False

Let me guess, you identify as Sunni?

Then you are part of the problem

You can start repenting by getting out of Yemen

Amin doesn't support Saudi arabia.

[The Legion of the Shadow]

Christianity no longer uses Inquisitors, and not every Christian supports acts like that.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

GnosticChristian, this is for you:
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=457950&p=35183035#p35183035

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Christianity no longer uses Inquisitors, and not every Christian supports acts like that.

Some do, but let's not talk about those unpleasant individuals.

[GnosticChristian]

First there is no such thing as infallible human. I am a catholic but I think we are big enough to admit in the past we have got it wrong. Most of the money is gathered through donations from common people and much of that money goes back into supporting the public. If we would just get it through our heads that it is not our job to punish sinners maybe things like this would not happen.

We support these systems because of the good that they have done and continue to do. Do we make mistakes absolutely yes we do. Do we get it wrong yes we do but to codemn the whole system for the actions a few is short-sighted. Churches gather money and goods for the poor and people involved in natural disasters. Churches bring a sense of community and hold up ideals which we all strive to achieve.

Sure religions do a lot of good, --- for their in group friends.

They are also the main cause of division and war and continue today with lower level inquisitions and jihads against women and gays with their homophobic and misogynous ways.

Check the Global Peace Index and see how the most peaceful nations are the ones with the least religion and then look at the U.S. a Christian nation to most Americans, and see the most racist nation in the free world with the worst jail and abortion stats in the world.

Come back and tell me why you idol worship a genocidal God that you can somehow see as good.

Be ready to discus morals and know that that is my forte after I studied why Christians used genocide to decimate the founders of my better than Christian religion.

Regards
DL

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

First there is no such thing as infallible human. I am a catholic but I think we are big enough to admit in the past we have got it wrong. Most of the money is gathered through donations from common people and much of that money goes back into supporting the public. If we would just get it through our heads that it is not our job to punish sinners maybe things like this would not happen.

We support these systems because of the good that they have done and continue to do. Do we make mistakes absolutely yes we do. Do we get it wrong yes we do but to codemn the whole system for the actions a few is short-sighted. Churches gather money and goods for the poor and people involved in natural disasters. Churches bring a sense of community and hold up ideals which we all strive to achieve.

Sure religions do a lot of good, --- for their in group friends.

They are also the main cause of division and war and continue today with lower level inquisitions and jihads against women and gays with their homophobic and misogynous ways.

Check the Global Peace Index and see how the most peaceful nations are the ones with the least religion and then look at the U.S. a Christian nation to most Americans, and see the most racist nation in the free world with the worst jail and abortion stats in the world.

Come back and tell me why you idol worship a genocidal God that you can somehow see as good.

Be ready to discus morals and know that that is my forte after I studied why Christians used genocide to decimate the founders of my better than Christian religion.

Regards
DL

Everything you just said was false.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

First there is no such thing as infallible human. I am a catholic but I think we are big enough to admit in the past we have got it wrong. Most of the money is gathered through donations from common people and much of that money goes back into supporting the public. If we would just get it through our heads that it is not our job to punish sinners maybe things like this would not happen.

We support these systems because of the good that they have done and continue to do. Do we make mistakes absolutely yes we do. Do we get it wrong yes we do but to codemn the whole system for the actions a few is short-sighted. Churches gather money and goods for the poor and people involved in natural disasters. Churches bring a sense of community and hold up ideals which we all strive to achieve.

Sure religions do a lot of good, --- for their in group friends.

You've never looked up any religious charity group have you?

Come back and tell me why you idol worship a genocidal God

Worshipping an immaterial being isn't idol worship.

[GnosticChristian]

Secondly tax dollars are not collected to support churches at least in the USA. Churches are tax exempt which is not really the same thing. There are certain programs such AA which have nothing really to do with religion which can receive state, municipal, or federal funding. Churches also support adoption, battered women shelters, and food pantries. In general they tend to do more good than harm. Does that relieve us from the mistakes we have made in the past, no it does not.

Red herring.

I never said that taxes were collecte3d for churches. I will see your error as an accident and not a deliberate hypocritical deflection.

Non-theists subsidize the tax shortfall created by religions.

Religions should get their lousy hands out of the taxpayers pocket. They just show fairy tales for adults and should pay taxes like any other theatre.

Regards
DL

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Sure religions do a lot of good, --- for their in group friends.

They are also the main cause of division and war and continue today with lower level inquisitions and jihads against women and gays with their homophobic and misogynous ways.

Check the Global Peace Index and see how the most peaceful nations are the ones with the least religion and then look at the U.S. a Christian nation to most Americans, and see the most racist nation in the free world with the worst jail and abortion stats in the world.

Come back and tell me why you idol worship a genocidal God that you can somehow see as good.

Be ready to discus morals and know that that is my forte after I studied why Christians used genocide to decimate the founders of my better than Christian religion.

Regards
DL

Everything you just said was false.

I've noticed that he makes claims he doesn't prove, or proves inaccurately.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Non-theists subsidize the tax shortfall created by religions.

Prove it.

Religions should get their lousy hands out of the taxpayers pocket.

Prove that they're in those pockets.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Secondly tax dollars are not collected to support churches at least in the USA. Churches are tax exempt which is not really the same thing. There are certain programs such AA which have nothing really to do with religion which can receive state, municipal, or federal funding. Churches also support adoption, battered women shelters, and food pantries. In general they tend to do more good than harm. Does that relieve us from the mistakes we have made in the past, no it does not.

Red herring.

I never said that taxes were collecte3d for churches. I will see your error as an accident and not a deliberate hypocritical deflection.

Non-theists subsidize the tax shortfall created by religions.

Religions should get their lousy hands out of the taxpayers pocket. They just show fairy tales for adults and should pay taxes like any other theatre.

Regards
DL

In what universe do religions make money off taxpayers? Not this one; temples aren't funded by the state, they survive on generous donation.

[GnosticChristian]

And you don't know neither Islamic nor Christian history in full.

You are correct. No one does because Christianity and their inquisitions burned most of the documents that would have given us their complete history and Islam will not admit, even with the evidence being know to be accurate from scholars, that their holy books have been altered over time.

If Islam would stop murdering it's apostates, we would have a lot more Islamic scholars telling us the truth.

Regards
DL

[Jolthig]

And you don't know neither Islamic nor Christian history in full.

You are correct. No one does because Christianity and their inquisitions burned most of the documents that would have given us their complete history and Islam will not admit, even with the evidence being know to be accurate from scholars, that their holy books have been altered over time.

If Islam would stop murdering it's apostates, we would have a lot more Islamic scholars telling us the truth.

Regards
DL

That doesnt excuse you from twisting history and lying about people's faiths.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

And you don't know neither Islamic nor Christian history in full.

You are correct. No one does because Christianity and their inquisitions burned most of the documents that would have given us their complete history

This is an outright fabrication and you know it. Stop spreading lies to push your agenda.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And you don't know neither Islamic nor Christian history in full.

You are correct. No one does because Christianity and their inquisitions burned most of the documents that would have given us their complete history and Islam will not admit, even with the evidence being know to be accurate from scholars, that their holy books have been altered over time.

If Islam would stop murdering it's apostates, we would have a lot more Islamic scholars telling us the truth.

Regards
DL

Thank you for proving my point. Meanwhile, here a book that's a great starting point for learning about Islamic history: https://books.google.com/books/about/Lo ... escription

[Jolthig]

OP, you're not convincing anyone of your nonsense rhetoric. Just stop.

[GnosticChristian]

I find that the Inquisitions were justified given the time and place. Spain was rooting out a Muslim and Jewish fifth column to solidify their Catholic state after reconquest of their land after many centuries of occupation by north Africans and the other people they brought with them. Spain was right to force them all back out. It was undoing a mistake of history. Spain shouldn't have fallen to invaders to begin with.

I can agree with your last, but you do not seem to know that Europe was almost completely lost to Islam because the myriad of Christian sects were all busy trying to kill each other off.

Strange though that you would think the inquisitions justified against the French Cathars and Jews in general given that the French were Europeans and Christianity followed a Jewish God.

Care to explain?

Regards
DL

[Balican]

Stop replying, it's not being productive and you're just going to embolden OP to make more threads like this in the future. Congratulations, you made me post on here again.

[The New California Republic]

Congratulations, you made me post on here again.