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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:42 am

Inquisitions and jihads. Why do theists and tax payers respect the religions that use them?

I wondered if theists and tax payers could articulate why they respect those that use such vile concepts and respect the Gods or religions that order them carried out.

Genocide, the goal of inquisitions and jihads, has a poor moral component yet theists seem to not care about that as they seek it, nor do tax payers who indirectly assist in paying for them.

I can understand why theists would hate the people they murder. I can also understand why we naturally love war. I cannot understand how tax payers can turn a blind eye to it. Unless we just crave the drama of war.

Given that theists are to love the sinners and hate the sin, inquisitions and jihads seem to suggest that theists hate the sinners and love sin as they use murder to grow their religions, due to not having solid moral arguments and moral tenets to convert others with.

If theists hated sin, and loved the sinners, as God demands, they should not murdering them nor respect the religions that use murder to grow.

I have a hard time understanding why governments and voters would also respect the users of inquisitions and jihads enough to force the non-theists to subsidize those religions with tax breaks.

In a real sense, that makes all of us complicit in murder as we all end in paying for those inquisitions and jihads. Not directly, of course, --- that might upset some, --- but indirectly by contributing to the general funds that all religions consolidate for themselves from all people like you and I.

If Christians and Muslims could change their hate focus from hating sinners to hating the sin and loving the sinner, --- as their creeds say they should, --- do you not think that that would improve relations and reduce conflict worldwide?

Why do you think theists resist doing as their Gods bids them do?

Why do we give such vile religions respect and our tax dollars?

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Postby Heraswed » Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:52 am

Personally, as an Anti-theist I despise the idea of a religious non-profit, especially when ministries and organisations like the catholic church make the boatloads of money that they do and spend it on the protection and relocation of pedophiles.
But I imagine that it is the idea of papal/caliphal infallibility, or their status as the representative of [insert highest god here] on earth which validates their beliefs, and many people feel (with the current trends of so called 'bigotry' or 'Islamophobia' by atheists and anti-theists) that they should leave people and their beliefs be. Regardless of how abhorrent or disgusting they may be.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:05 am

Christianity doesn't use inquisitions anymore and Jihad is only prevalent in the Middle East.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:14 am

Heraswed wrote:caliphal infallibility

Doesn't exist.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Jihad is only prevalent in the Middle East.

False.
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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:29 am

Heraswed wrote:Personally, as an Anti-theist I despise the idea of a religious non-profit, especially when ministries and organisations like the catholic church make the boatloads of money that they do and spend it on the protection and relocation of pedophiles.
But I imagine that it is the idea of papal/caliphal infallibility, or their status as the representative of [insert highest god here] on earth which validates their beliefs, and many people feel (with the current trends of so called 'bigotry' or 'Islamophobia' by atheists and anti-theists) that they should leave people and their beliefs be. Regardless of how abhorrent or disgusting they may be.


How quickly we forget that they are promoting homophobia and misogyny as we all let them use our tax dollars against us. Our governments do not seem to love us and we do not seem to care enough about each other. Yet most say they live by the Golden Rule. You are if you are anti-theist. Fight hard my friend.

Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:33 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Christianity doesn't use inquisitions anymore and Jihad is only prevalent in the Middle East.


Both religions are using lower level inquisitions and jihads as they go about denigrating and discriminating against women and gays with not only low level persecution but promoting the murder of gays. Even U.S. Christians.

Death to Gays.
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Your statement is false. Are you a Christian and why do you seem to respect a religion that promotes genocide?

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:22 am

For one, Jihad is a last resort defense mechanism of Muslims when there are no options left to end persecution of Muslims and those under oppression (like Jews, and Christians). The OP has a complete misunderstanding of what jihad is.

Not only this, but who exactly is spending their the dollars on inquisitions and jihads? Assuming strict christian and Muslim nations?
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:24 am

GnosticChristian wrote:


I know what jihad is.

Why do you seem to respect and support murder?

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No you don't.

This is a strawman, and thus, doesnt count as a valid argument.
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Postby Valentine Z » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:25 am

I'm not sure what you are getting at, and pardon me if I'm wrong towards your implication, but I am certain that Christians do not merely support a religion that promotes genocide, and Muslims do not merely support a religion that promotes murder.

The very thought and implication that Christian = Merely Inquisitors and Islam = Merely Jihads, is unfortunately a short-sighted view, and not everyone that follows the religion support those heinous acts.

It seems like you have the notion that both these religions are always negative.

EDIT: I am aware that Jihad does not always have military connotations of the modern age, but seems like that's what you're trying to imply here.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:34 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Heraswed wrote:caliphal infallibility

Doesn't exist.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Jihad is only prevalent in the Middle East.

False.

You've already proven yourself an unreliable proponent of Islam so I'm not sure why you'd think they'I'd care what you had to say about this.
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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:39 am

Jolthig wrote:For one, Jihad is a last resort defense mechanism of Muslims when there are no options left to end persecution of Muslims and those under oppression (like Jews, and Christians). The OP has a complete misunderstanding of what jihad is.

Not only this, but who exactly is spending their the dollars on inquisitions and jihads? Assuming strict christian and Muslim nations?


All I need understand of jihads and inquisitions is that they often include murder, which does not seem to bother you.

We are all funding, as the O.P. shows, the continuation of the oppression of women and gays.

Religions should get their hands out of the taxpayers pocket.

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Postby Puldania » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:42 am

Caliphal infallibility isn't a thing afaik since Islam does not follow a type of theocratic power structure. The closest they have would probably be Ulema, Mullah, or Imams.
Even then, it's nowhere to the degree of the strict hierarchy of the catholic church and all the diocese and bishops and archbishops and the like.

Seems the OP already has their mind made up about theism and is putting face for a faux-debate to seem tolerant.
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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:42 am

Valentine Z wrote:I'm not sure what you are getting at, and pardon me if I'm wrong towards your implication, but I am certain that Christians do not merely support a religion that promotes genocide, and Muslims do not merely support a religion that promotes murder.

The very thought and implication that Christian = Merely Inquisitors and Islam = Merely Jihads, is unfortunately a short-sighted view, and not everyone that follows the religion support those heinous acts.

It seems like you have the notion that both these religions are always negative.


Not always, but their core values are, such as their homophobia and misogyny, which is why they had to resort to inquisitions and jihads to grow.

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GnosticChristian wrote:
Jolthig wrote:For one, Jihad is a last resort defense mechanism of Muslims when there are no options left to end persecution of Muslims and those under oppression (like Jews, and Christians). The OP has a complete misunderstanding of what jihad is.

Not only this, but who exactly is spending their the dollars on inquisitions and jihads? Assuming strict christian and Muslim nations?


All I need understand of jihads and inquisitions is that they often include murder, which does not seem to bother you.

We are all funding, as the O.P. shows, the continuation of the oppression of women and gays.

Religions should get their hands out of the taxpayers pocket.

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Please dont misrepresent and twist my words because that's exactly what you're doing with the strawman in your first sentence.

You still have not demonstrated who exactly is funding inquisitions and jihads as I asked you in my post.

The last sentence I can agree with.
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Postby Puldania » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:43 am

GnosticChristian wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:I'm not sure what you are getting at, and pardon me if I'm wrong towards your implication, but I am certain that Christians do not merely support a religion that promotes genocide, and Muslims do not merely support a religion that promotes murder.

The very thought and implication that Christian = Merely Inquisitors and Islam = Merely Jihads, is unfortunately a short-sighted view, and not everyone that follows the religion support those heinous acts.

It seems like you have the notion that both these religions are always negative.


Not always, but their core values are, such as their homophobia and misogyny, which is why they had to resort to inquisitions and jihads to grow.

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Most of what you have a problem with in Christianity comes from incorrect assumptions based on the Old Testament. The jews were an angry bunch, but a good chunk of the Old Testament is not considered by Chirstianity to be canon, perse.
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Puldania wrote:Caliphal infallibility isn't a thing afaik since Islam does not follow a type of theocratic power structure. The closest they have would probably be Ulema, Mullah, or Imams.
Even then, it's nowhere to the degree of the strict hierarchy of the catholic church and all the diocese and bishops and archbishops and the like.

Seems the OP already has their mind made up about theism and is putting face for a faux-debate to seem tolerant.


I am not at all tolerant of evil and proudly admit it.

Both Christianity and Islam, slave holding ideologies, have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

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Supernaturally based religions, evil? Yes. Islam and Christianity being the worst of these.

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Jolthig wrote:
GnosticChristian wrote:
All I need understand of jihads and inquisitions is that they often include murder, which does not seem to bother you.

We are all funding, as the O.P. shows, the continuation of the oppression of women and gays.

Religions should get their hands out of the taxpayers pocket.

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Please dont misrepresent and twist my words because that's exactly what you're doing with the strawman in your first sentence.

You still have not demonstrated who exactly is funding inquisitions and jihads as I asked you in my post.

The last sentence I can agree with.


If you agree with my last, where do you think that cash goes if not to help fund Islam's endeavors, which include jihad?

Think Catholic and see them used their tax windfall, covered by non-theists, paying for air fare to move their pedophile priests to new and safer hunting grounds.

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Puldania wrote:
GnosticChristian wrote:
Not always, but their core values are, such as their homophobia and misogyny, which is why they had to resort to inquisitions and jihads to grow.

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Most of what you have a problem with in Christianity comes from incorrect assumptions based on the Old Testament. The jews were an angry bunch, but a good chunk of the Old Testament is not considered by Chirstianity to be canon, perse.


I am not assuming anything.
I am reporting history and providing facts.

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GnosticChristian wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Please dont misrepresent and twist my words because that's exactly what you're doing with the strawman in your first sentence.

You still have not demonstrated who exactly is funding inquisitions and jihads as I asked you in my post.

The last sentence I can agree with.


If you agree with my last, where do you think that cash goes if not to help fund Islam's endeavors, which include jihad?

Think Catholic and see them used their tax windfall, covered by non-theists, paying for air fare to move their pedophile priests to new and safer hunting grounds.

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I didnt say I agreed with all the last post. Only the last sentence for secularism.

Pedophilia is a forbidden topic on this forum.
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GnosticChristian wrote:
Puldania wrote:Most of what you have a problem with in Christianity comes from incorrect assumptions based on the Old Testament. The jews were an angry bunch, but a good chunk of the Old Testament is not considered by Chirstianity to be canon, perse.


I am not assuming anything.
I am reporting history and providing facts.

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No, you are not.
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I don't know, why do theists and tax payers respe?

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:59 am

Jolthig wrote:
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If you agree with my last, where do you think that cash goes if not to help fund Islam's endeavors, which include jihad?

Think Catholic and see them used their tax windfall, covered by non-theists, paying for air fare to move their pedophile priests to new and safer hunting grounds.

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I didnt say I agreed with all the last post. Only the last sentence for secularism.

Pedophilia is a forbidden topic on this forum.


I meant my last sentence. Apologies for not being more clear.

If pedophilia is not allowed then it is rather stupid to disallow it.

If we are to disallow that crime then all crime should be disallowed.

Given that, I do not think you are correct. I just referenced it and will see if it is pulled as a verification of what you said.

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Postby GnosticChristian » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:00 am

The New California Republic wrote:I don't know, why do theists and tax payers respe?

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I know you do not know why you respect evil actions that include murder.

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