Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Crysuko]

Civil ownership is not only good, it's a necessity to ensure a prevention of tyranny. HOWEVER, with that in mind, shit like responsibility training and safety should be enforced to ensure all gun ownership is, y'know, responsible and safe for the average person. In addition to that, shit like healthcare and socioeconomic factors and the like absolutely need to be addressed to decrease the incentives behind murder as much as possible.

That in no way will stop tyranny. A bunch of disorganised gun owners stand no chance against the military, or even just the police. There is no valid reason for civilians to own guns.

I've got the anti-gadaffi rebels on the phone, it's for you.

[Grinning Dragon]

And here...we...go!

Civilian gun ownership is bad though. Only the state should have them (and I guess like security companies and stuff).

As a social democrat, I am opposed mass shootings and gun crime.

Yeah, going to have to take a big fat fuck no to the notion that the state should have the sole monopoly on the use of firearms. What an absolutely laughable notion that is.

Not when you can be bombed from the sky by a drone. When martial law is declared and tanks and soldiers patrol your neighbourhood. Or when your relatives are arrested. Or when all your assets are seized. Or when your electricity, water, gas, and Internet are cut off. Etcetera.

You clearly have no fucking idea how an insurgency works, or just how big a body sink controlling any decently sized city is for an occupational force, let alone a country full of them. As I sourced earlier, nearly 50% of the total manpower across all branches of the armed forces is reserve capacity, including NG. These forces have an extremely high likelihood of just flat out disappearing should they be called to muster in such a scenario, as proven by government war-gaming/scenario planning. (Same agency that did the zombie outbreak probability testing several years ago). This group also is a large force multiplier of logistical support for the active duty branch, and is often in direct support of it. Now imagine if suddenly, half of your force comprising mainly of the logistical elements suddenly isn't there when needed....

I live in Australia. We have far more freedom and far few mass shootings than America.

I'm sorry that you live in a hellhole where everything wants to kill you. Thank god you banned all the dangerous things though.

Stay Free M8.

These 'revolutionaries' would be bombed to pieces before they got anywhere near any airbases.

Ha ha, yeah no. Most military bases in the US don't even have a parameter fence outside highly traveled areas, and even the areas that do have them are often poorly manned/guarded. But don't take my word for it.......

Well, that might be true actually. But we have a far higher living standard, and that is what really matters.

I very much doubt that.

You have a really piss poor understanding of how guerilla warfare works lol

^ Agreed.

I can't see guerrilla movements in developed countries happening any time soon, save an apocalypse of some sort. The armed forces of developed countries have great equipment, great infrastructure, great organisation, great communication, and great command. Any rebel force will be crushed in short order.

"In 2018, Small Arms Survey reported that there are over one billion small arms distributed globally, of which 857 million (about 85 percent) are in civilian hands.[1][2] U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms.[2] This amounts to "120.5 firearms for every 100 residents."

If even only 1% of gun owners in America decide to take up arms and openly resist the government, you are looking at the biggest insurgency the world has ever seen. Let that sink in for just a second....

Good job, you just bombed all your own cities and made them even more popular.

It's almost like he wants the insurgency to win.

Yes. Perhaps they need to be pacified.

Please, by all means, feel free to try first hand. I look forward to hearing how successful you were in this endeavor.

Because anger and hatred are some damn good drugs.

"All that hate's gonna burn you up inside, kid."

"It keeps me warm at night."

Wolverines!

[Crysuko]

And here...we...go!

Civilian gun ownership is bad though. Only the state should have them (and I guess like security companies and stuff).

As a social democrat, I am opposed mass shootings and gun crime.

Yeah, going to have to take a big fat fuck no to the notion that the state should have the sole monopoly on the use of firearms. What an absolutely laughable notion that is.

Not when you can be bombed from the sky by a drone. When martial law is declared and tanks and soldiers patrol your neighbourhood. Or when your relatives are arrested. Or when all your assets are seized. Or when your electricity, water, gas, and Internet are cut off. Etcetera.

You clearly have no fucking idea how an insurgency works, or just how big a body sink controlling any decently sized city is for an occupational force, let alone a country full of them. As I sourced earlier, nearly 50% of the total manpower across all branches of the armed forces is reserve capacity, including NG. These forces have an extremely high likelihood of just flat out disappearing should they be called to muster in such a scenario, as proven by government war-gaming/scenario planning. (Same agency that did the zombie outbreak probability testing several years ago). This group also is a large force multiplier of logistical support for the active duty branch, and is often in direct support of it. Now imagine if suddenly, half of your force comprising mainly of the logistical elements suddenly isn't there when needed....

I live in Australia. We have far more freedom and far few mass shootings than America.

I'm sorry that you live in a hellhole where everything wants to kill you. Thank god you banned all the dangerous things though.

Stay Free M8.

These 'revolutionaries' would be bombed to pieces before they got anywhere near any airbases.

Ha ha, yeah no. Most military bases in the US don't even have a parameter fence outside highly traveled areas, and even the areas that do have them are often poorly manned/guarded. But don't take my word for it.......

Well, that might be true actually. But we have a far higher living standard, and that is what really matters.

I very much doubt that.

You have a really piss poor understanding of how guerilla warfare works lol

^ Agreed.

I can't see guerrilla movements in developed countries happening any time soon, save an apocalypse of some sort. The armed forces of developed countries have great equipment, great infrastructure, great organisation, great communication, and great command. Any rebel force will be crushed in short order.

"In 2018, Small Arms Survey reported that there are over one billion small arms distributed globally, of which 857 million (about 85 percent) are in civilian hands.[1][2] U.S. civilians alone account for 393 million (about 46 percent) of the worldwide total of civilian held firearms.[2] This amounts to "120.5 firearms for every 100 residents."

If even only 1% of gun owners in America decide to take up arms and openly resist the government, you are looking at the biggest insurgency the world has ever seen. Let that sink in for just a second....

Good job, you just bombed all your own cities and made them even more popular.

It's almost like he wants the insurgency to win.

Yes. Perhaps they need to be pacified.

Please, by all means, feel free to try first hand. I look forward to hearing how successful you were in this endeavor.

Because anger and hatred are some damn good drugs.

"All that hate's gonna burn you up inside, kid."

"It keeps me warm at night."

legendary post

[Kernen]

Whether or not there is a revolution on the horizon, it’s still advisable that the populace bear arms.

You see? This is why civilians shouldn't have access to guns. It can cause so much trouble.

Molon labe.

[Aellex]

Hell ye >:3

Ravioli, ravioli, we're increasing the State's Monopoly.
Sorry ma bois but there is no stop on that Hobbesian wild ride!

[Murray land]

Liberals aren't leftists. . . but yes, many of us anticapitalists will need to become armed and properly trained to defend the revolution against the state. This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC.

We revolutionary socialists have known this for decades.

what world do you inhabit?

[Washington Resistance Army]

That in no way will stop tyranny. A bunch of disorganised gun owners stand no chance against the military, or even just the police. There is no valid reason for civilians to own guns.

I've got the anti-gadaffi rebels on the phone, it's for you.

fwiw that's a pretty poor example, if Euro air support hadn't destroyed the Libyan military entirely they were poised to push into the northeast and crush the rebels pretty decisively

[Murray land]

Imagine the shock when antifa kiddies find out that shooting centrists in the face for microaggressions isn't self-defence.

Yes, that's obviously what we're really worried about, not organized state violence against us.

Wait...wasnt didnt dhs or the fbi put them on a list of terrorist groups in the US? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp lol yup

[Telconi]

Civil ownership is not only good, it's a necessity to ensure a prevention of tyranny. HOWEVER, with that in mind, shit like responsibility training and safety should be enforced to ensure all gun ownership is, y'know, responsible and safe for the average person. In addition to that, shit like healthcare and socioeconomic factors and the like absolutely need to be addressed to decrease the incentives behind murder as much as possible.

That in no way will stop tyranny. A bunch of disorganised gun owners stand no chance against the military, or even just the police. There is no valid reason for civilians to own guns.

Literal hogwash...

[Valrifell]

Yes, that's obviously what we're really worried about, not organized state violence against us.

Wait...wasnt didnt dhs or the fbi put them on a list of terrorist groups in the US? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp lol yup

Can't be too upset so long as the right-wing militia groups are under the same classification. I know a few are, but I'm not sure.

[Telconi]

Wait...wasnt didnt dhs or the fbi put them on a list of terrorist groups in the US? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp lol yup

Can't be too upset so long as the right-wing militia groups are under the same classification. I know a few are, but I'm not sure.

>Not on any watch lists AFAIK

Awww yeah.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Can't be too upset so long as the right-wing militia groups are under the same classification. I know a few are, but I'm not sure.

>Not on any watch lists AFAIK

Awww yeah.

First rule of Militia Club...

You don't talk about Militia Club.

Keeping a low profile about such things, tends to keep one off such lists. Something Antifa has failed to learn yet, so absolutely no shocker to me that they have been deemed a domestic terrorist organization by the Feds for their actions.

[Prusenreich]

Why don't you just give a free gun with every us citizenship

[Paddy O Fernature]

Why don't you just give a free gun with every us citizenship

Because that makes no logical or practical sense at all.

[Grinning Dragon]

Why don't you just give a free gun with every us citizenship

Because that makes no logical or practical sense at all.

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

[Thermodolia]

Because that makes no logical or practical sense at all.

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

Your thinking too small. One free Destroyer for every citizenship.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Because that makes no logical or practical sense at all.

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

Your thinking too small. One free Destroyer for every citizenship.

But I wanted a fast attack boat...

[Grinning Dragon]

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

Your thinking too small. One free Destroyer for every citizenship.

Now, now, I was being courteous of the fact that some communities have a rule about parking one's destroyer boat in the driveway for a long period of time.

[Torrocca]

Ravioli, ravioli, we're increasing the State's Monopoly.
Sorry ma bois but there is no stop on that Hobbesian wild ride!

Ravioli, ravioli, we're gonna destroy the state from here to Gallipoli!

The people are the brakes to the state train. :^)

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

But I wanted a fast attack boat...

Same. Destroyers are outdated and overated.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

7.62×39 is the only cartridge I need. Except for the Dragunov, or course.

[Murphys Island]

Imagine the shock when antifa kiddies find out that shooting centrists in the face for microaggressions isn't self-defence.

Rightists actually feel smart when they type out dumb strawmen like this.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Correct, it should be 3 or more. A sidearm, a shotgun, a rifle, and a BOFORS

7.62 Soviet is the only cartridge I need. Except for the Dragunov, or course.

....

Wut?

7.62x54R is the caliber of the SVD...

[Torrocca]

7.62 Soviet is the only cartridge I need. Except for the Dragunov, or course.

....

Wut?

7.62x54R is the caliber of the SVD...

They're probably talking about 7.62x39, I think?

Not that anything will top the moist nugget's deathspawn, of course. :3