Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Most left wingers can't fight like right wingers can (even if armed), generally speaking.

It took Fascists with aerial and numerical superiority four whole years to defeat disunited leftist militias in Catalonia.

...That's because the Nationalists did not concentrate their forces on Catalonia until the last year.

Also, the International Brigades saved your arse.

[Paddy O Fernature]

And therein lies the key advantage to a US insurrection. Any attempt to escalate force will wound them as much as it will wound an insurgency. Physically, politically, doesn't matter.

Any successful put down of an American revolution will have to rely on ground troops. Which poses a problem for the government, depending on how many servicemen side with the insurrection.

My prediction as someone who served 13+ years...

National Guard and Reserves across all branches will just vaporize. They won't defect per say, but they just won't muster in any significant factor if called upon as they will be too worried about themselves and their own. Those that do actually defect, will empty out AHA's and arms rooms as they go. Now that might not sound like a big deal, but according to Military Leadership Diversity Commission in a published Article, 47.4 percent of the total available manpower across all branches is reserve of some sort.

"In this issue paper, we examine reserve
manpower, considering both the organization and size of the seven National
Guard and Reserve Components. In terms
of organization, manpower for these
seven components is divided into three
main categories: the Ready Reserve, which
includes the Selected Reserve, the most
important source of augments for active
forces; the Standby Reserve; and the Retired
Reserve. Each of these categories is further
divided into several additional subcatego-
ries. In terms of size, reserve manpower
constitutes an important portion of military
end strength. When we present the Selected
Reserve as a percentage of Selective
Reserve and active duty manpower, reservists
account for 37.2 percent; when all categories
of the reserve force are considered
(that is, Ready Reserve, Standby Reserve,
and Retired Reserve) in comparison to the
active force, that percentage jumps to 47.4
percent of the total"

Can anyone parse this?

Yes, but I honestly don't want to take the time to decipher the wall of text.

[Grinning Dragon]

..... We are pro-Second Amendment, It's just we dislike the behavioral matters of a gun in the wrong hands, And how Gun Control in the United States is sincerely broken, America has to be the only nation on Earth to have SO MANY Mass Shootings, It's better to be safe than sorry; wounding up DEAD by a mass shooter. The reason why we fault the NRA (National Rifle Association) is because of the illegal proceedings that's been happening, i.e the Las Vegas Shooter (Who i hope is burning in Hell right now) had an AR-15 and Bumpstacks, He ruined a perfectly safe (and fun) concert because of his hate against Civilization. This was all planned, He killed himself avoiding to be arrested by the cops, Another reason is the YouTube Headquarters; Many workers down at the HQ were unarmed, And had no way of staying survived except getting under a desk and hoping to live to see another day. I could use Nikolas Cruz as a great example as he was registered in the NRA, He might've had a similarity of a pistol but it looks like not according to this video as he was shown walking down the hallways with a rifle in his hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE20SR_wVzA My next proof of argument is George H.W. Bush's resignation of the NRA, Yes that's right, Former President George H.W. Bush was an NRA member, He dropped out as a longtime member because he was ashamed of what the NRA is putting their reputation in today, Most Trump Supporters are now NRA supporters, While normal citizens aren't, The Military actually thinks it's rather safe for an experienced defender (soldier) to be in charge with a rifle than a normal American citizen as they are more tolerant than a average 2A Supporter. My last argument would be --- NRA 2A Trump Supporters, It really does look like most NRA supporters are call MAGA Trump Supporters, As everytime i come across one they either say 2A or NRA, While i am mentioning this, Just a few months ago, I was talking to a REAL NRA Supporter that is a Trump Supporter, on Twitter, The name will be disclosed and the gender will be disclosed due to privacy, But anyway the person said some very awful things but what really shocked me the most was that the person sent multiple tweets explaining that the person likes to use a rifle against nature, Instead of doing it the classic way like trying to get dinner, The person just does it for joy - Making me extremely angry out of shock because of such animal abusive behavior the person would do such to, Yes if you are wondering i did report the tweets to Twitter immediately. No i am not making this up, I am very serious as a tornado on this one. By the way, Sandy Hook Shooting & Charleston Church Shooting is also an example of how messed up Gun Control is in the United States may i add. We want the protection and security against people who would want to kill us with bullets, But we don't want things to get out of hand and for them to attack and kill people just because of their hate against them.

Can anyone parse this?

Yep, blah, blah, blah, guns bad, America bad for having a Constitution that enumerates negative Rights, it's all the gunz fault, gunz possess evil and they alone cause hurt.
NRA is the devil, the NRA wrote the 2nd Amendment, all of the ills that involve firearms in America are the fault of the NRA and never the person who used said tool to hurt others.
Ghost gunz, the shoulder thingy that goes up, magazines are ammo, it is a 30 caliber clipazine that fires 1 million rounds in 15 seconds, blah, blah, blah.
His wall o text has now been parsed. Who should I send the bill to?

[Len Hyet]

Can anyone parse this?

Yep, blah, blah, blah, guns bad, America bad for having a Constitution that enumerates negative Rights, it's all the gunz fault, gunz possess evil and they alone cause hurt.
NRA is the devil, the NRA wrote the 2nd Amendment, all of the ills that involve firearms in America are the fault of the NRA and never the person who used said tool to hurt others.
Ghost gunz, the shoulder thingy that goes up, magazines are ammo, it is a 30 caliber clipazine that fires 1 million rounds in 15 seconds, blah, blah, blah.
His wall o text has now been parsed. Who should I send the bill to?

The 1st NSG Irregulars.

I'm gonna make this a thing damn it.

[North Calaveras]

"We are pro-Second Amendment, It's just we dislike the behavioral matters of a gun in the wrong hands"

See: They are not my political leaning and must be disarmed for the revolution comrades

[Merica ball]

Any successful put down of an American revolution will have to rely on ground troops. Which poses a problem for the government, depending on how many servicemen side with the insurrection.

My prediction as someone who served 13+ years...

National Guard and Reserves across all branches will just vaporize. They won't defect per say, but they just won't muster in any significant factor if called upon as they will be too worried about themselves and their own. Those that do actually defect, will empty out AHA's and arms rooms as they go. Now that might not sound like a big deal, but according to Military Leadership Diversity Commission in a published Article, 47.4 percent of the total available manpower across all branches is reserve of some sort.

"In this issue paper, we examine reserve
manpower, considering both the organization and size of the seven National
Guard and Reserve Components. In terms
of organization, manpower for these
seven components is divided into three
main categories: the Ready Reserve, which
includes the Selected Reserve, the most
important source of augments for active
forces; the Standby Reserve; and the Retired
Reserve. Each of these categories is further
divided into several additional subcatego-
ries. In terms of size, reserve manpower
constitutes an important portion of military
end strength. When we present the Selected
Reserve as a percentage of Selective
Reserve and active duty manpower, reservists
account for 37.2 percent; when all categories
of the reserve force are considered
(that is, Ready Reserve, Standby Reserve,
and Retired Reserve) in comparison to the
active force, that percentage jumps to 47.4
percent of the total"

Can anyone parse this?

Yes, but I honestly don't want to take the time to decipher the wall of text.

I agree a large number of millitary members would likely side with the people. Solder's aren't robots if push comes to shove most would pick family and state over nation.
I plan on joining the GA National Guard and I know I would pick my state and family over something I don't agree with, it's like an old country song men will always stand for something they believe in or fall for anything.

[Ardoki]

Yeah but the point is that you aren't going to get an "actual, genuine revolution" in the western world today.

Oh, please. It can happy anywhere, anytime, under the right circumstances. The western world isn't some enigma that's 100% guaranteed to be safe from that.

A revolution in a modern society would be so bloody and destructive only the insane would actually take part. It could be worse than Syria. The vast majority of people wouldn't want that, and the military and police especially wouldn't.

[Torrocca]

Oh, please. It can happy anywhere, anytime, under the right circumstances. The western world isn't some enigma that's 100% guaranteed to be safe from that.

A revolution in a modern society would be so bloody and destructive only the insane would actually take part. It could be worse than Syria. The vast majority of people wouldn't want that, and the military and police especially wouldn't.

Only if the conditions to act as a catalyst for it weren't there when it happened.

[Ardoki]

A revolution in a modern society would be so bloody and destructive only the insane would actually take part. It could be worse than Syria. The vast majority of people wouldn't want that, and the military and police especially wouldn't.

Only if the conditions to act as a catalyst for it weren't there when it happened.

Translation please.

[Torrocca]

Only if the conditions to act as a catalyst for it weren't there when it happened.

Translation please.

The vast majority of people aren't gonna want a revolution if it happens without the actual conditions that'd create a revolution in the first place.

I speak/type English fucking weird sometimes despite being a native speaker.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Translation please.

The vast majority of people aren't gonna want a revolution if it happens without the actual conditions that'd create a revolution in the first place.

I speak/type English fucking weird sometimes despite being a native speaker.

Which is why revolution will never occur in the first world.

[Ardoki]

Translation please.

The vast majority of people aren't gonna want a revolution if it happens without the actual conditions that'd create a revolution in the first place.

I speak/type English fucking weird sometimes despite being a native speaker.

Which currently don't exist in Western countries, and don't look likely in the near future.

[Torrocca]

The vast majority of people aren't gonna want a revolution if it happens without the actual conditions that'd create a revolution in the first place.

I speak/type English fucking weird sometimes despite being a native speaker.

Which is why revolution will never occur in the first world.

The vast majority of people aren't gonna want a revolution if it happens without the actual conditions that'd create a revolution in the first place.

I speak/type English fucking weird sometimes despite being a native speaker.

Which currently don't exist in Western countries, and don't look likely in the near future.

All the same, if these conditions were to appear, it's not unreasonable to assume that people would clamor for revolution as an escape from them. The west isn't immune from this.

[Ardoki]

Which is why revolution will never occur in the first world.

Which currently don't exist in Western countries, and don't look likely in the near future.

All the same, if these conditions were to appear, it's not unreasonable to assume that people would clamor for revolution as an escape from them. The west isn't immune from this.

Governments have far more effective tools for controlling the population now than they did in the past, and they are only going to improve in the future. Revolution in developed countries is becoming increasingly unlikely as time goes on.

[Imperializt Russia]

Obviously it's villainy at play!

Like, don't get me wrong, I disagree with any notion of disarming the people, but Jesus fucking Christ the Liberals aren't wrong for wanting to reduce murder.

You're right, but I do not believe that putting unnecessary restrictions on law abiding gun owners is the way. Criminals last time I checked do not follow laws, and that is why they're called criminals. Let us all follow the Australian way to create a black market.

Gun deaths in Australia:
1993 - 513
1994 - 516
1995 - 470
1996 - 516 (Port Arthur Massacre in this year, gun law changes middle of this year)
1997 - 428
1998 - 312

It has remained below 250 every year between 2004 and 2016, usually hovering close to 230.
Deaths have literally halved, since before the ban.
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/comp ... gun_deaths
Firearm homicides in Australia were already below 100 per year (123 in 1988, 96 in 1992 and 107 in 1996), and thus subject to fairly wild fluctuation. But firearm homicides already reduced below the typical number by 1997 - and by 1998 has been lower for every year since before the ban was introduced.

In 1998, 2000 and 2003 the homicides hit 57, 57 and 54.
1989-1998: 80, 79, 84, 96, 64, 76, 67, 107 (Port Arthur) 79, 57.

In 2004 it crashed to 17, 19 in 2005 and since then has never been back above 50.
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/comp ... _homicides

[Bienenhalde]

Most left wingers can't fight like right wingers can (even if armed), generally speaking. This is my belief. In the vast majority of all engagements in Wiemar Germany, the Roter Frontkämpferbund was no match for the Sturmabteilung. If many examples can be found of left wingers defeating right wingers with ease, people can call me Garcia.

If left-wingers are supposedly so weak, why do you think they were so successful in defeating the right in the Russian and Chinese civil wars?

[Loben]

Most left wingers can't fight like right wingers can (even if armed), generally speaking. This is my belief. In the vast majority of all engagements in Wiemar Germany, the Roter Frontkämpferbund was no match for the Sturmabteilung. If many examples can be found of left wingers defeating right wingers with ease, people can call me Garcia.

If left-wingers are supposedly so weak, why do you think they were so successful in defeating the right in the Russian and Chinese civil wars?

were they ingesting soy product by the gallon at the time?

[Thermodolia]

If left-wingers are supposedly so weak, why do you think they were so successful in defeating the right in the Russian and Chinese civil wars?

were they ingesting soy product by the gallon at the time?

Most on the far left do that anyway. That’s mostly a progressive thing

[Bienenhalde]

If left-wingers are supposedly so weak, why do you think they were so successful in defeating the right in the Russian and Chinese civil wars?

were they ingesting soy product by the gallon at the time?

Chinese people tend to eat large amounts of soy regardless of their political leanings.

[Major-Tom]

If left-wingers are supposedly so weak, why do you think they were so successful in defeating the right in the Russian and Chinese civil wars?

were they ingesting soy product by the gallon at the time?

Soy milk on the shelves is generally a precursor to violent, marxist revolution. True story.

[Torrocca]

were they ingesting soy product by the gallon at the time?

Chinese people tend to eat large amounts of soy regardless of their political leanings.

Whoa now, are you saying that Chinese people eat a favored crop that's native to their geographic area, and even did so during their Maoist revolution? Why, I'd never believe such a thing even if you showed me it with my own eyes! Clearly it's all a leftist soyboy conspiracy to feminize the white male population!

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Soy milk on the shelves is generally a precursor to violent, marxist revolution. True story.

Godammit, I hate soy milk. Can I still be part of the revolution?
sorry, but normal in large amounts milk gives me diarrhea, I only drink the one with lactose removed because I also hate almonds

[Salus Maior]

Liberals aren't leftists. . . but yes, many of us anticapitalists will need to become armed and properly trained to defend the revolution against the state. This applies extra for LGBT people and PoC.

We revolutionary socialists have known this for decades.

LGBT+ and PoC self-defense groups, gun clubs and even militas already exist (Pink Pistols are a notable example), yet their membership numbers are a drop in the ocean of right-wing militias.

Don't you want to protect your own damn lives!?

Maybe the left should stop demonizing guns and gun owners then.

[Torrocca]

LGBT+ and PoC self-defense groups, gun clubs and even militas already exist (Pink Pistols are a notable example), yet their membership numbers are a drop in the ocean of right-wing militias.

Don't you want to protect your own damn lives!?

Maybe the left should stop demonizing guns and gun owners then.

Maybe we should stop equating Liberals with the entirety of Leftism.

[Salus Maior]

Maybe the left should stop demonizing guns and gun owners then.

Maybe we should stop equating Liberals with the entirety of Leftism.

The left in this country, then.

At least the ones that matter at all.