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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:35 pm

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Chernoslavia wrote:Daily reminder that my rights trump your dead. :p


That's the most unapologetically shitty argument you could ever make for gun rights. Ever.

Never cared about the opinions of sheep, let alone those who would use the death of victims to further their stupid agenda.
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Postby Ors Might » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:36 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Daily reminder that my rights trump your dead. :p


That's the most unapologetically shitty argument you could ever make for gun rights. Ever.

Shitty less for truthfulness and more for god awful optics, along with a hint of dickishness.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:38 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's the most unapologetically shitty argument you could ever make for gun rights. Ever.

Shitty less for truthfulness and more for god awful optics, along with a hint of dickishness.


^

Chernoslavia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's the most unapologetically shitty argument you could ever make for gun rights. Ever.

Never cared about the opinions of sheep, let alone those who would use the death of victims to further their stupid agenda.


This shit is why pro-2A people are seen as crazy.
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Postby Ardoki » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:15 am

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Ardoki wrote:Civilians should not have access to guns. Only the police and military should be allowed firearms.

The workers should be armed. Armed workers are harder to bully than unarmed workers

Armed workers give an anti-worker government an excuse to use force against them. It's far harder for a government to explain killing unarmed workers.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:18 am

Torrocca wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Shitty less for truthfulness and more for god awful optics, along with a hint of dickishness.


^

Chernoslavia wrote:Never cared about the opinions of sheep, let alone those who would use the death of victims to further their stupid agenda.


This shit is why pro-2A people are seen as crazy.


He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".

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Postby Frievolk » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:23 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
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This shit is why pro-2A people are seen as crazy.


He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".

I mean he is wrong in assuming that "people literally died because he had access to guns" isn't a correct assessment, or a valid argument regarding "should people have access to guns?"
Sure, I'd answer "Yes, they still should" but the argument by its nature is a very valid one.

besides, at least they have a point, unlike their opponent's "think of the children" argument regarding the LGBT
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:26 am

Frievolk wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".

I mean he is wrong in assuming that "people literally died because he had access to guns" isn't a correct assessment, or a valid argument regarding "should people have access to guns?"
Sure, I'd answer "Yes, they still should" but the argument by its nature is a very valid one.

besides, at least they have a point, unlike their opponent's "think of the children" argument regarding the LGBT


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:34 am

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The sheer prevalence of police crime in the news seems to show this isnt the case.

Prevalence in the media doesn't necessarily equate to prevalence in reality.

Unless you're suggesting they literally aren't true, then it doesn't matter and is not the point. Those entrusted with the "responsible enforcement of public order" routinely fail to do so.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:54 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
^



This shit is why pro-2A people are seen as crazy.


He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".

Sorry that we think you being the only country in the world to routinely kill children is a bad thing.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:19 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".

Sorry that we think you being the only country in the world to routinely kill children is a bad thing.


Gun control? Alright, I can get behind that.

Screeching "Think of the children! Ban all guns!"? Miss me with that weaponless shit.

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Postby Ors Might » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:42 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".

Sorry that we think you being the only country in the world to routinely kill children is a bad thing.

Children don’t die in other countries? Consider me surprised.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 6:45 am

Ors Might wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Sorry that we think you being the only country in the world to routinely kill children is a bad thing.

Children don’t die in other countries? Consider me surprised.


Apparently children 100% fulfilling lives and die peacefully in their sleep at the ripe old age of 110 years outside of the US...

Spoiler alert, they don't.

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:04 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Children don’t die in other countries? Consider me surprised.


Apparently children 100% fulfilling lives and die peacefully in their sleep at the ripe old age of 110 years outside of the US...

Spoiler alert, they don't.


Between anti-vaxxers and schools as shooting ranges I'm almost skeptical of that.
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Postby Frievolk » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:07 am

Valrifell wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Apparently children 100% fulfilling lives and die peacefully in their sleep at the ripe old age of 110 years outside of the US...

Spoiler alert, they don't.


Between anti-vaxxers and schools as shooting ranges I'm almost skeptical of that.

Whether or not children die outside of the US is irrelevant to the internal domestic policies of the US tho.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:14 am

Valrifell wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Apparently children 100% fulfilling lives and die peacefully in their sleep at the ripe old age of 110 years outside of the US...

Spoiler alert, they don't.


Between anti-vaxxers and schools as shooting ranges I'm almost skeptical of that.


Anti-vaxxers is effectively a code word for "I'd prefer for my child to die of some quasi-extinct disease than to have autism!", and let me tell you...

Being on the spectrum myself, I'd crush the anti-vaxxer movement into an insignificant pile of dust as it should be.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:23 am

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Thermodolia wrote:The workers should be armed. Armed workers are harder to bully than unarmed workers

Armed workers give an anti-worker government an excuse to use force against them. It's far harder for a government to explain killing unarmed workers.

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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:12 am

Tanzoria wrote:I've seen arguments on other forums that the left are hypocrites for thinking Trump is a tyrant yet supporting de-arming citizens. However there is no incongruity with these positions. American gun owners are mostly extreme right wing and would use their weapons to oppress their fellow citizens if there ever was a true constitutional crisis/civil war in America. Wanting to disarm these people is the only logical approach


Good point. The only measure of tyranny by gun advocates seems to be supporting gun control. You can do anything else (change voting rights, imprison huge sections of the population, be rampantly corrupt) but if you oppose gun control, you're a freedom fighter. Civil rights has largely been introduced by the federal government they seem to hate.

If gun owners in America are protecting America democracy, they're sh!t at it.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:12 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
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This shit is why pro-2A people are seen as crazy.


He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".


Maybe it's more than just a cheap argument from their perspective? As if, maybe, they greatly despise the idea of the occasional school shooting?
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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:12 am

Torrocca wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Daily reminder that my rights trump your dead. :p


That's the most unapologetically shitty argument you could ever make for gun rights. Ever.


At least he's honest. That's what it boils down to for most of them.
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Postby Tobleste » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:15 am

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
He is not exactly wrong by stating that the American liberals greatly enjoy milking the ever living shit out of the cheap argument that is "but think of the children!".


Maybe it's more than just a cheap argument from their perspective? As if, maybe, they greatly despise the idea of the occasional school shooting?


Don't be silly. Kids die everywhere. If liberals/gun control supporters want to reduce the rate that happens at, they're obviously up to something nefarious.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:16 am

Frievolk wrote:Whether or not children die outside of the US is irrelevant to the internal domestic policies of the US tho.

Being part of America is contagious though
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:21 am

Tobleste wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Maybe it's more than just a cheap argument from their perspective? As if, maybe, they greatly despise the idea of the occasional school shooting?


Don't be silly. Kids die everywhere. If liberals/gun control supporters want to reduce the rate that happens at, they're obviously up to something nefarious.


Obviously it's villainy at play!

Like, don't get me wrong, I disagree with any notion of disarming the people, but Jesus fucking Christ the Liberals aren't wrong for wanting to reduce murder.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:15 am

Torrocca wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Don't be silly. Kids die everywhere. If liberals/gun control supporters want to reduce the rate that happens at, they're obviously up to something nefarious.


Obviously it's villainy at play!

Like, don't get me wrong, I disagree with any notion of disarming the people, but Jesus fucking Christ the Liberals aren't wrong for wanting to reduce murder.

You're right, but I do not believe that putting unnecessary restrictions on law abiding gun owners is the way. Criminals last time I checked do not follow laws, and that is why they're called criminals. Let us all follow the Australian way to create a black market.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:17 am

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:50 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Obviously it's villainy at play!

Like, don't get me wrong, I disagree with any notion of disarming the people, but Jesus fucking Christ the Liberals aren't wrong for wanting to reduce murder.

You're right, but I do not believe that putting unnecessary restrictions on law abiding gun owners is the way. Criminals last time I checked do not follow laws, and that is why they're called criminals. Let us all follow the Australian way to create a black market.


Black markets make it more difficult to purchase a firearm than strolling into your local Super Walmart, you understand.

Still, though, several sections of the United States are just ingrained with gun culture. There's no way to remove the arms without causing the world's largest underground gun ring.
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