Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[The Blaatschapen]

I fully support providing guns to the impoverished. The right to bear arms can only be a truly universal(within the US) right, if the poor also have access to guns. If guns remain a luxury product, they will only be another tool for oppression by the capitalist classes.

[The Chuck]

I fully support providing guns to the impoverished. The right to bear arms can only be a truly universal(within the US) right, if the poor also have access to guns. If guns remain a luxury product, they will only be another tool for oppression by the capitalist classes.

I agree with this stance but would you apply it also to weapons that require a multi-hundred dollar tax stamp? (Like my family's heirloom B.A.R.)

[Democratic Empire of Romania]

The very idea of militias in a civilized country scares me.

... Well, there's a lot of them, so... Be scared. And most of them are on the same side, and sometimes, barely even that. So, be extra scared.

And while it is worrying, you shouldn't be scared of them. Instead, be vigilant, be active in your local politics, and be aware of what is happening in your community and your state.

And consider arming yourself, both because it's the American thing to do and because it can't hurt to have some extra security.

I live in Romania, so I see these thing wholy differrent.

[The Blaatschapen]

I fully support providing guns to the impoverished. The right to bear arms can only be a truly universal(within the US) right, if the poor also have access to guns. If guns remain a luxury product, they will only be another tool for oppression by the capitalist classes.

I agree with this stance but would you apply it also to weapons that require a multi-hundred dollar tax stamp? (Like my family's heirloom B.A.R.)

I don't know what that means.

Anyway, you already have your gun it seems. You can keep it

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe that to achieve military parity, the left wing should also support and field militias (and as such, quietly support policies that enable this to be done legally). The state may be the Big Brother but once it collapses it’s every person and every movement for themselves.

Right now the conservatives can easily field and mobilize from tens of thousands to millions of fighters. By the time the liberals mobilize too many cities will have fallen and the right will gain too much ground. The left would lose too many production centers. As such, I believe the liberals need a new policy where they too can field comparable forces in peace time to achieve Parity.

Right now on paper, the conservatives are too powerful. In any simulation of a stateless war, the right wing could win with a decisive lead. The left should be concerned.

[Telconi]

I fully support providing guns to the impoverished. The right to bear arms can only be a truly universal(within the US) right, if the poor also have access to guns. If guns remain a luxury product, they will only be another tool for oppression by the capitalist classes.

Affordable Militia Act when?

[Imperializt Russia]

I fully support providing guns to the impoverished. The right to bear arms can only be a truly universal(within the US) right, if the poor also have access to guns. If guns remain a luxury product, they will only be another tool for oppression by the capitalist classes.

Affordable Militia Act when?

Universal provision of healthcare: much too socialist
Universal provision of guns: just the right amount of socialist?

nb this is a generic 'murica joke, not yourself

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Yes, they should be pro-second amendment. With that being said, just don't use your guns to violently suppress freedom of expression or to offensively kill "enemies of the people".

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Personally I support it tbh. The Right is really ahead of the Left in regards to arms and equipment. The Left needs to pull itself up as soon as it can.

This is the argument I can get behind. For safeguard purpose, Left should arm themselves.

[Arcturus Novus]

I can see no reason to be against an educated, rational population of gun owners. The people have an inherent right to self-defense and self-preservation. However, I don’t think that like, literally everyone needs/should have firearms. If someone wants a gun, they should probably undergo safety and accuracy training beforehand, but that’s more of a personal opinion. Can’t exactly mandate people join their local John Brown Gun Club and sign up for instructional courses.

[SD_Film Artists]

The whole 'militias' thing just looks counter-productive. I mean if you want to convince people that you're buying a gun for mature responsible purposes then having a survivalist 'ebil government' conspiracy theory isn't a great way to go about it.

[Sicaris]

Personally I support it tbh. The Right is really ahead of the Left in regards to arms and equipment. The Left needs to pull itself up as soon as it can.

Won’t happen

[Tasuirin]

Liberals have often tried to dilute the meaning of the left-wing, and that includes giving off this idea that left-wingers have to be anti-gun. No, they don't. Plenty of far-left groups have armed themselves against literal fascists and their ilk in the past. I see no reason why the left should be anti-gun, except for liberals to piss off traditionally conservative groups even more.

[Sicaris]

I fully support anti-fascist militias being armed for the purpose of self-defense and deterrence.

“””””””””anti fascist militias”””””””””””

I assume you support Antifa as well?

[Sicaris]

I believe that to achieve military parity, the left wing should also support and field militias (and as such, quietly support policies that enable this to be done legally). The state may be the Big Brother but once it collapses it’s every person and every movement for themselves.

Right now the conservatives can easily field and mobilize from tens of thousands to millions of fighters. By the time the liberals mobilize too many cities will have fallen and the right will gain too much ground. The left would lose too many production centers. As such, I believe the liberals need a new policy where they too can field comparable forces in peace time to achieve Parity.

Right now on paper, the conservatives are too powerful. In any simulation of a stateless war, the right wing could win with a decisive lead. The left should be concerned.

Most modern liberals in the event of a civil war wouldn’t be able to stand military life though.

[Infected Mushroom]

I believe that to achieve military parity, the left wing should also support and field militias (and as such, quietly support policies that enable this to be done legally). The state may be the Big Brother but once it collapses it’s every person and every movement for themselves.

Right now the conservatives can easily field and mobilize from tens of thousands to millions of fighters. By the time the liberals mobilize too many cities will have fallen and the right will gain too much ground. The left would lose too many production centers. As such, I believe the liberals need a new policy where they too can field comparable forces in peace time to achieve Parity.

Right now on paper, the conservatives are too powerful. In any simulation of a stateless war, the right wing could win with a decisive lead. The left should be concerned.

Most modern liberals in the event of a civil war wouldn’t be able to stand military life though.

that's indeed another problem

most of the military, police, and gun people are right wing I believe

[West Leas Oros 2]

The left should certainly be pro-gun. Where it gets blurry is when we consider the militias. Different militias have different goals, and some can be destructive and harmful.

[Frievolk]

Personally I support it tbh. The Right is really ahead of the Left in regards to arms and equipment. The Left needs to pull itself up as soon as it can.

Won’t happen

Not without the Left Arming itself it won't.

[Alvecia]

I believe that to achieve military parity, the left wing should also support and field militias (and as such, quietly support policies that enable this to be done legally). The state may be the Big Brother but once it collapses it’s every person and every movement for themselves.

Right now the conservatives can easily field and mobilize from tens of thousands to millions of fighters. By the time the liberals mobilize too many cities will have fallen and the right will gain too much ground. The left would lose too many production centers. As such, I believe the liberals need a new policy where they too can field comparable forces in peace time to achieve Parity.

Right now on paper, the conservatives are too powerful. In any simulation of a stateless war, the right wing could win with a decisive lead. The left should be concerned.

Most modern liberals in the event of a civil war wouldn’t be able to stand military life though.

That is certainly an opinion.

[SD_Film Artists]

I believe that to achieve military parity, the left wing should also support and field militias (and as such, quietly support policies that enable this to be done legally). The state may be the Big Brother but once it collapses it’s every person and every movement for themselves.

Right now the conservatives can easily field and mobilize from tens of thousands to millions of fighters. By the time the liberals mobilize too many cities will have fallen and the right will gain too much ground. The left would lose too many production centers. As such, I believe the liberals need a new policy where they too can field comparable forces in peace time to achieve Parity.

Right now on paper, the conservatives are too powerful. In any simulation of a stateless war, the right wing could win with a decisive lead. The left should be concerned.

Most modern liberals in the event of a civil war wouldn’t be able to stand military life though.

I'd expect that they'd come around to it if shit hits the fan, like jumping into a cold shower. They might even be more mentally prepared than some douche who thinks that buying an AR15 makes them a soldier.

[Sicaris]

Won’t happen

Not without the Left Arming itself it won't.

No, as in the left won’t arm itself. Most of them want to discourage the Second Amendment or restrict it further anyways.

[Frievolk]

Not without the Left Arming itself it won't.

No, as in the left won’t arm itself. Most of them want to discourage the Second Amendment or restrict it further anyways.

Yeah, which is precisely why it's not ahead in the arming race. "The Left" (by which you mean right-wing progressives) should stop being idiots and indeed join the rest of us in the "If your enemy is arming yourself and the regime inherently supports them over you, you should arm yourself too instead of nagging" team.

[Sicaris]

No, as in the left won’t arm itself. Most of them want to discourage the Second Amendment or restrict it further anyways.

Yeah, which is precisely why it's not ahead in the arming race. "The Left" (by which you mean right-wing progressives) should stop being idiots and indeed join the rest of us in the "If your enemy is arming yourself and the regime inherently supports them over you, you should arm yourself too instead of nagging" team.

“Enemy”? Really? Political opponents are “enemies” and should arm themselves?

[West Leas Oros 2]

I fully support providing guns to the impoverished. The right to bear arms can only be a truly universal(within the US) right, if the poor also have access to guns. If guns remain a luxury product, they will only be another tool for oppression by the capitalist classes.

I've thought about this in the past, especially in regards to libertarianism.

[Frievolk]

Yeah, which is precisely why it's not ahead in the arming race. "The Left" (by which you mean right-wing progressives) should stop being idiots and indeed join the rest of us in the "If your enemy is arming yourself and the regime inherently supports them over you, you should arm yourself too instead of nagging" team.

“Enemy”? Really? Political opponents are “enemies” and should arm themselves?

Yes. The Right (Especially the type that arms itself) is an enemy to anyone who wishes for egalitarianism or equality, and since the Government will inevitably side with them, those the Right opposes need to arm themselves for the inevitable day the Right actually takes it to the next level.