Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Washington Resistance Army]

M16s are guns homeslice.

I meant things like pistols. Keep M16s off the streets, brother.

No.

[Len Hyet]

Any and all things have boundaries. My point was that you are attacking a culture and a country you clearly don't understand, based on your own moral judgements which are fine and dandy, but are not applicable to the situation.

I will cheerfully say that my moral judgement is genocide is bad, and I will happily go and kill to prevent one.

Will I say that the practice of bacha bazi is abhorrent and disgusting? Sure thing! Will I go and try to destroy the culture that spawned it, in order to prevent it? No.

Why aren't they applicable?

See my point about clearly not understanding what you're talking about.

[Tobleste]

Why aren't they applicable?

See my point about clearly not understanding what you're talking about.

So because I don't understand it, my moral judgements aren't applicable?

Again, you (presumably) don't understand nazis, communists or terrorists. Are your moral standards not applicable?

[Paddy O Fernature]

If the rednecks get violent, then the government will take care of them...

Oh?

Clearly you have no idea how government involvement in anything tends to go. Thanks for stopping by.

I'm curious who thinks it isn't?

99% of the non-conservative and non-American human population.

You got a source for that number? Won't hold my breath....

I rather like ice cream. Do I get to murder people for that?

If someone breaks into your home and tries to take your ice cream I say go ahead.

Hell, I would applaud you and even go so far as to say "Job well done" after you do.

So you think everyone thinks it's reasonable to murder to own guns?

"So you're saying X?" is about the laziest way to strawman, step up your game.

Agreed.

You think those examples are absurd. Based on how unique Americans gun culture is, the rest of the world thinks your stance is absurd.

*ahem*

Fuck the rest of the world and what they think Americans should or shouldn't be doing.

Clear enough for you?

Gun control should not be just taking guns, and in most places it is not. Regulation of literal automaticnl weapons (M16 and the like) and, for example, biometric scanners should be the main objectives of gun control. Not gun grabbing bullshit.

"Biometric scanners" AKA "Smart Guns" are an absolute waste of time and technology that currently wont do anything but piss law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong off.

I meant things like pistols. Keep M16s off the streets, brother.

No.

Agreed.

[Len Hyet]

See my point about clearly not understanding what you're talking about.

So because I don't understand it, my moral judgements aren't applicable?

Again, you (presumably) don't understand nazis, communists or terrorists. Are your moral standards not applicable?

1) Yes

2) I very much do. I am well versed in Nazi ideologies, Marxist writings, and a variety of terrorist ideologies.

[Telconi]

See my point about clearly not understanding what you're talking about.

So because I don't understand it, my moral judgements aren't applicable?

Again, you (presumably) don't understand nazis, communists or terrorists. Are your moral standards not applicable?

They're not, just as theirs aren't applicable to me.

Someone like Richard Spencer can thing Jews are subhuman every day of the week, and twice on Sunday, and I'll just go right along believing that they're not, because his views dont effect my views.

Just like u can go all day long being un-effected by gun grabbing governments oceans away having garbage views too.

[Tobleste]

If the rednecks get violent, then the government will take care of them...

Oh?

Clearly you have no idea how government involvement in anything tends to go. Thanks for stopping by.

99% of the non-conservative and non-American human population.

You got a source for that number? Won't hold my breath....

If someone breaks into your home and tries to take your ice cream I say go ahead.

Hell, I would applaud you and even go so far as to say "Job well done" after you do.

"So you're saying X?" is about the laziest way to strawman, step up your game.

Agreed.

You think those examples are absurd. Based on how unique Americans gun culture is, the rest of the world thinks your stance is absurd.

*ahem*

Fuck the rest of the world and what they think Americans should or shouldn't be doing.

Clear enough for you?

Gun control should not be just taking guns, and in most places it is not. Regulation of literal automaticnl weapons (M16 and the like) and, for example, biometric scanners should be the main objectives of gun control. Not gun grabbing bullshit.

"Biometric scanners" AKA "Smart Guns" are an absolute waste of time and technology that currently wont do anything but piss law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong off.

No.

Agreed.

Claims I was straw manning are incorrect if that's what he was actually saying

[Tobleste]

So because I don't understand it, my moral judgements aren't applicable?

Again, you (presumably) don't understand nazis, communists or terrorists. Are your moral standards not applicable?

1) Yes

2) I very much do. I am well versed in Nazi ideologies, Marxist writings, and a variety of terrorist ideologies.

Right. So you're a qualified expert on those things? You're a professor of history who specialises in WW2, the USSR and all terrorist groups?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Claims I was straw manning are incorrect if that's what he was actually saying

Good to hear you at least admit that you don't know what you are talking about here.

1) Yes

2) I very much do. I am well versed in Nazi ideologies, Marxist writings, and a variety of terrorist ideologies.

Right. So you're a qualified expert on those things? You're a professor of history who specialises in WW2, the USSR and all terrorist groups?

You can be knowledgeable on a subject without being a professor you know....

*Deep Inhale*

[Tobleste]

Claims I was straw manning are incorrect if that's what he was actually saying

Good to hear you at least admit that you don't know what you are talking about here.

Nice rebuttal.

[Len Hyet]

1) Yes

2) I very much do. I am well versed in Nazi ideologies, Marxist writings, and a variety of terrorist ideologies.

Right. So you're a qualified expert on those things? You're a professor of history who specialises in WW2, the USSR and all terrorist groups?

Way to move the goalposts buddy.

[The South Falls]

Gun control should not be just taking guns, and in most places it is not. Regulation of literal automaticnl weapons (M16 and the like) and, for example, biometric scanners should be the main objectives of gun control. Not gun grabbing bullshit.

"Biometric scanners" AKA "Smart Guns" are an absolute waste of time and technology that currently wont do anything but piss law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong off.

I mean, it's a one-time authentication process, which prevents people from using your own guns against you. If you want to give a gun to someone, you open the "lock". Simple.

[The South Falls]

I swear we spend so much time talking about straw-manning.

[Tobleste]

Claims I was straw manning are incorrect if that's what he was actually saying

Good to hear you at least admit that you don't know what you are talking about here.

Right. So you're a qualified expert on those things? You're a professor of history who specialises in WW2, the USSR and all terrorist groups?

You can be knowledgeable on a subject without being a professor you know....

*Deep Inhale*

I'm just curious what qualifications he has that makes his opinion relevant but mine irrelevant. You can keep chiming in with silly jabs btw.

[Telconi]

"Biometric scanners" AKA "Smart Guns" are an absolute waste of time and technology that currently wont do anything but piss law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong off.

I mean, it's a one-time authentication process, which prevents people from using your own guns against you. If you want to give a gun to someone, you open the "lock". Simple.

The guy at the Ford dealership told me that the key fob identification thing was a one time process too, that was five visits to have the damned thing re-authorized ago.

[Tobleste]

Right. So you're a qualified expert on those things? You're a professor of history who specialises in WW2, the USSR and all terrorist groups?

Way to move the goalposts buddy.

So what does "well versed" mean then?

[Len Hyet]

Way to move the goalposts buddy.

So what does "well versed" mean then?

Having made a study of. For example, college-level history and geopolitical courses.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Way to move the goalposts buddy.

So what does "well versed" mean then?

You can comprehend English, yes? That's pretty damned self explanatory what it means.

Good to hear you at least admit that you don't know what you are talking about here.

Nice rebuttal.

Thank you.

[The South Falls]

I mean, it's a one-time authentication process, which prevents people from using your own guns against you. If you want to give a gun to someone, you open the "lock". Simple.

The guy at the Ford dealership told me that the key fob identification thing was a one time process too, that was five visits to have the damned thing re-authorized ago.

Bro, Keyfobs are kinda shit. We have to improve on them, however. Just because one thing is shit, and we're trying to create a related item, it does not mean that we are bound to create shit.

[Tobleste]

So what does "well versed" mean then?

Having made a study of. For example, college-level history and geopolitical courses.

In all 3?

[Tobleste]

So what does "well versed" mean then?

You can comprehend English, yes? That's pretty damned self explanatory what it means.

So what do you think it means?

[Paddy O Fernature]

"Biometric scanners" AKA "Smart Guns" are an absolute waste of time and technology that currently wont do anything but piss law abiding citizens who have done nothing wrong off.

I mean, it's a one-time authentication process, which prevents people from using your own guns against you. If you want to give a gun to someone, you open the "lock". Simple.

Yeah, no.

Making something overly more complex for the sake of "feels" and not actual practicality is a horrible thing to do. Especially when said complex thing is going to be possibly used in a life or death situation where you absolutely need it to go "Bang" when you want it to, and not get a 404 error cause your fingerprint is sweaty from stress and cant scan properly.

[Telconi]

The guy at the Ford dealership told me that the key fob identification thing was a one time process too, that was five visits to have the damned thing re-authorized ago.

Bro, Keyfobs are kinda shit. We have to improve on them, however. Just because one thing is shit, and we're trying to create a related item, it does not mean that we are bound to create shit.

It seems unlikely when the people who are advocating for the use of the technology have a vested ideological interest in the failure of its use market.

Gun grabbers creating a new "safety feature" for a gun seem about as trustworthy as white supremacists creating a new "safer" hair product for black folks...

[Paddy O Fernature]

You can comprehend English, yes? That's pretty damned self explanatory what it means.

So what do you think it means?

The same thing that everyone else who isn't trying to grandstand pointlessly thinks it means, in that he is well versed on the subjects at hand.

[Len Hyet]

Having made a study of. For example, college-level history and geopolitical courses.

In all 3?

In two of the three. Nazism and Communism. Terrorism I have a working understanding of through personal study.

As I said, college level course was just an example. I don't prejudice myself against self edification, to an extent. There are things it is simply necessary to be taught.