Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Tobleste]

Right. So you think everyone else on earth is ok with killing someone to stop them owning guns?

No, i simply stated that I haven't encountered tiered someone who isnt willing to kill over the issue. And I called bullshit on the idea that such people make up 99% of people who aren't American conservatives.

Where did you call bullshit on that?

[Len Hyet]

I'm proving a point, follow along.

So, we are in agreement there are things worth killing and dying for. So where do you draw that line? For myself and millions of others, it is to preserve, protect, and defend the rights that are outlined in, but by no means provided by, the Constitution of the United States.

You disagree, which is fine, you don't live in the US, you don't have to agree. But you don't get to dismiss and put down those who disagree with your moral judgements because they are moral judgements, and there is no one universal morality or moral truth.

I sort of do. Communists murdered those who opposed state ownership. Nazis murder to protect the ethnic purity of their country. Terrorists murder for God. Serial killers murder for pleasure.

Are you saying I can't dismiss them because they have different "moral judgements"?

Reducto ad absurdum

[Tobleste]

Actually I'm normally ok with different opinions but murdering police officers seem strange to me. Call me bigoted but I draw a line there.

And I didn't say that either.

If Otto Frank had the capacity to, do you believe he would have been wrong to kill the Gestapo officers who came to take he and his family to the concentration camp?

No I wouldn't. They were going to kill him or at least cause his death.

[Tobleste]

I sort of do. Communists murdered those who opposed state ownership. Nazis murder to protect the ethnic purity of their country. Terrorists murder for God. Serial killers murder for pleasure.

Are you saying I can't dismiss them because they have different "moral judgements"?

Reducto ad absurdum

You think those examples are absurd. Based on how unique Americans gun culture is, the rest of the world thinks your stance is absurd.

[Tobleste]

Life? And apparently ice cream.

Ironic, presumably you like life?

Yeah. It helps with living.

[Len Hyet]

Reducto ad absurdum

You think those examples are absurd. Based on how unique Americans gun culture is, the rest of the world thinks your stance is absurd.

"bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe ReSt oF tHe WoRld"

Wasn't a meaningful argument the first hundred times you made it, but please try again. Maybe the 102nd time will work.

[Telconi]

If Otto Frank had the capacity to, do you believe he would have been wrong to kill the Gestapo officers who came to take he and his family to the concentration camp?

No I wouldn't. They were going to kill him or at least cause his death.

They were police officers.

Also, we can verifiably prove that they weren't going to cause his death, because he didn't kill them, and lung cancer caused his death in 1980.

[Telconi]

Ironic, presumably you like life?

Yeah. It helps with living.

So you're willing to kill to protect a thing you like.

[Tobleste]

You think those examples are absurd. Based on how unique Americans gun culture is, the rest of the world thinks your stance is absurd.

"bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe ReSt oF tHe WoRld"

Wasn't a meaningful argument the first hundred times you made it, but please try again. Maybe the 102nd time will work.

But your entire argument was you can't be dismissed because your moral judgements are different. My comparison with communists, nazis and terrorists was valid because, by your logic, they can't be dismissed.

[Telconi]

Reducto ad absurdum

You think those examples are absurd. Based on how unique Americans gun culture is, the rest of the world thinks your stance is absurd.

The opinions of people undeserving of respect are equally undeserving of respect.

[Tobleste]

Yeah. It helps with living.

So you're willing to kill to protect a thing you like.

I don't "like" life. If I don't have it, I'm dead. That isn't a like. You can't compare guns and life.

[Tobleste]

No I wouldn't. They were going to kill him or at least cause his death.

They were police officers.

Also, we can verifiably prove that they weren't going to cause his death, because he didn't kill them, and lung cancer caused his death in 1980.

I don't know if you've heard but concentration camps were pretty bad. I'm also pretty sure his family didn't do well in the camp.

[Telconi]

So you're willing to kill to protect a thing you like.

I don't "like" life. If I don't have it, I'm dead. That isn't a like. You can't compare guns and life.

Ah. Yes, the things you like are super extra more special than the things I like.

Speaking of arguing with children...

[Len Hyet]

"bUt wHaT aBoUt tHe ReSt oF tHe WoRld"

Wasn't a meaningful argument the first hundred times you made it, but please try again. Maybe the 102nd time will work.

But your entire argument was you can't be dismissed because your moral judgements are different. My comparison with communists, nazis and terrorists was valid because, by your logic, they can't be dismissed.

Any and all things have boundaries. My point was that you are attacking a culture and a country you clearly don't understand, based on your own moral judgements which are fine and dandy, but are not applicable to the situation.

I will cheerfully say that my moral judgement is genocide is bad, and I will happily go and kill to prevent one.

Will I say that the practice of bacha bazi is abhorrent and disgusting? Sure thing! Will I go and try to destroy the culture that spawned it, in order to prevent it? No.

[Telconi]

They were police officers.

Also, we can verifiably prove that they weren't going to cause his death, because he didn't kill them, and lung cancer caused his death in 1980.

I don't know if you've heard but concentration camps were pretty bad. I'm also pretty sure his family didn't do well in the camp.

Having guns confiscated is pretty bad too. And I doubt my family would do to well without me.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

So you're willing to kill to protect a thing you like.

I don't "like" life. If I don't have it, I'm dead. That isn't a like. You can't compare guns and life.

Do you want to strictly regulate guns or do you want to ban guns entirely?

[The South Falls]

Gun control should not be just taking guns, and in most places it is not. Regulation of literal automaticnl weapons (M16 and the like) and, for example, biometric scanners should be the main objectives of gun control. Not gun grabbing bullshit.

[Telconi]

Gun control should not be just taking guns, and in most places it is not. Regulation of literal automaticnl weapons (M16 and the like) and, for example, biometric scanners should be the main objectives of gun control. Not gun grabbing bullshit.

M16s are guns homeslice.

[Tobleste]

I don't "like" life. If I don't have it, I'm dead. That isn't a like. You can't compare guns and life.

Ah. Yes, the things you like are super extra more special than the things I like.

Speaking of arguing with children...

So you're suggesting I'm a child for saying life is needed for life while guns aren't? Ok. That ends that.

[Tobleste]

I don't "like" life. If I don't have it, I'm dead. That isn't a like. You can't compare guns and life.

Do you want to strictly regulate guns or do you want to ban guns entirely?

Regulate them. I don't see why they should be banned entirely.

[Tobleste]

But your entire argument was you can't be dismissed because your moral judgements are different. My comparison with communists, nazis and terrorists was valid because, by your logic, they can't be dismissed.

Any and all things have boundaries. My point was that you are attacking a culture and a country you clearly don't understand, based on your own moral judgements which are fine and dandy, but are not applicable to the situation.

I will cheerfully say that my moral judgement is genocide is bad, and I will happily go and kill to prevent one.

Will I say that the practice of bacha bazi is abhorrent and disgusting? Sure thing! Will I go and try to destroy the culture that spawned it, in order to prevent it? No.

Why aren't they applicable?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Ah. Yes, the things you like are super extra more special than the things I like.

Speaking of arguing with children...

So you're suggesting I'm a child for saying life is needed for life while guns aren't? Ok. That ends that.

Well, private gun ownership can save lives. Defending oneself from a violent criminal is a legitimate reason to allow gun ownership, even if said criminal only has a knife.

Edit: I just seen your reply above.

[Telconi]

Ah. Yes, the things you like are super extra more special than the things I like.

Speaking of arguing with children...

So you're suggesting I'm a child for saying life is needed for life while guns aren't? Ok. That ends that.

No. I'm suggesting that your view is similar, in a way, to that of a child, for saying that the things you like are more important than the things I like, or anyone else for that matter.

[The South Falls]

Gun control should not be just taking guns, and in most places it is not. Regulation of literal automaticnl weapons (M16 and the like) and, for example, biometric scanners should be the main objectives of gun control. Not gun grabbing bullshit.

M16s are guns homeslice.

I meant things like pistols. Keep M16s off the streets, brother.

[Telconi]

M16s are guns homeslice.

I meant things like pistols. Keep M16s off the streets, brother.

And how do you propose that should happen?