Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Tobleste]

So it's reasonable to kill for whatever I think is important?

Do you see why the rest of us think you (the anti gun control lobby) are ridiculous?

Most of us aren't seriously for terrorism in that manor, but I guarantee that over-regulating guns will create a violent black market. That's something that gun control advocates ignore.

Actually he's suggesting murdering police officers and arguing it's reasonable, not a dangerous black market.

[Tobleste]

So it's reasonable to kill for whatever I think is important?

Do you see why the rest of us think you (the anti gun control lobby) are ridiculous?

So your argument is there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

No honest adult could read that post and possibly come to that conclusion.

[Telconi]

So your argument is there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

No honest adult could read that post and possibly come to that conclusion.

So what *is* worth killing for?

[Len Hyet]

So your argument is there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

No honest adult could read that post and possibly come to that conclusion.

And yet here we are.

So, again. Are you saying there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

[Tobleste]

So it's reasonable to kill for whatever I think is important?

Yes, it's been that way for literally all of human history.

Not really. Honestly, I'm finding it hard to come up with how to explain why murder is wrong to you so I'll skip that.

As for the 2nd part, do you see why you're all often dismissed as ignorant?

[Tobleste]

So forgetting about your weird second line, you admit there are plenty of counter examples then?
We need to take this one step at a time.

You keep insisting these counter-examples exist, and yet you provide as a "counter-example" people who have literally written tweets about nuking American cities over the issue of gun ownership...

Hey, in case you didn't k ow this yet. Nuclear warheads kill...

My counter example was 7.4 billion people.

How old are you?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Most of us aren't seriously for terrorism in that manor, but I guarantee that over-regulating guns will create a violent black market. That's something that gun control advocates ignore.

Actually he's suggesting murdering police officers and arguing it's reasonable, not a dangerous black market.

And I'm disavowing that, while still arguing against gun control. I wouldn't treat a cop trying to unconstitutionally disarm me very kindly though.

[Telconi]

You keep insisting these counter-examples exist, and yet you provide as a "counter-example" people who have literally written tweets about nuking American cities over the issue of gun ownership...

Hey, in case you didn't k ow this yet. Nuclear warheads kill...

My counter example was 7.4 billion people.

How old are you?

Who dont fit the required pre-requisite for "counter example"

I fail to see how that's relevant.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes, it's been that way for literally all of human history.

Not really.

You're entirely wrong, as always.

As for the 2nd part, do you see why you're all often dismissed as ignorant?

No. Quite the opposite really, I find you to be wildly ignorant.

[Tobleste]

My counter example was 7.4 billion people.

How old are you?

Who dont fit the required pre-requisite for "counter example"

I fail to see how that's relevant.

How do they not fit as counter examples?

Because I don't want to argue with a minor.

[Telconi]

Yes, it's been that way for literally all of human history.

Not really. Honestly, I'm finding it hard to come up with how to explain why murder is wrong to you so I'll skip that.

As for the 2nd part, do you see why you're all often dismissed as ignorant?

It isn't l, or at least. Not necessarily.

Because people project?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

How old are you?

Please continue to make ad hominem attacks about age.

[Telconi]

Who dont fit the required pre-requisite for "counter example"

I fail to see how that's relevant.

How do they not fit as counter examples?

Because I don't want to argue with a minor.

Because they are willing to kill over the issue of gun ownership.

Cool.

[Tobleste]

No honest adult could read that post and possibly come to that conclusion.

And yet here we are.

So, again. Are you saying there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

No. If you think that's what I said, you're likely being dishonest.

[Licana]

and within one page tobleste devolves into "you're all ignorant and underage" thus conclusively proving how everyone who doesn't think like him is unreasonable

[Tobleste]

How old are you?

Please continue to make ad hominem attacks about age.

That isn't what I did either.

[Telconi]

And yet here we are.

So, again. Are you saying there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

No. If you think that's what I said, you're likely being dishonest.

Please provide an example of something worth killing for.

[Len Hyet]

And yet here we are.

So, again. Are you saying there is nothing worth killing or dying for?

No. If you think that's what I said, you're likely being dishonest.

I'm proving a point, follow along.

So, we are in agreement there are things worth killing and dying for. So where do you draw that line? For myself and millions of others, it is to preserve, protect, and defend the rights that are outlined in, but by no means provided by, the Constitution of the United States.

You disagree, which is fine, you don't live in the US, you don't have to agree. But you don't get to dismiss and put down those who disagree with your moral judgements because they are moral judgements, and there is no one universal morality or moral truth.

[Tobleste]

How do they not fit as counter examples?

Because I don't want to argue with a minor.

Because they are willing to kill over the issue of gun ownership.

Cool.

Right. So you think everyone else on earth is ok with killing someone to stop them owning guns?

[Tobleste]

and within one page tobleste devolves into "you're all ignorant and underage" thus conclusively proving how everyone who doesn't think like him is unreasonable

Actually I'm normally ok with different opinions but murdering police officers seem strange to me. Call me bigoted but I draw a line there.

And I didn't say that either.

[Tobleste]

No. If you think that's what I said, you're likely being dishonest.

Please provide an example of something worth killing for.

Life? And apparently ice cream.

[Telconi]

Because they are willing to kill over the issue of gun ownership.

Cool.

Right. So you think everyone else on earth is ok with killing someone to stop them owning guns?

No, i simply stated that I haven't encountered tiered someone who isnt willing to kill over the issue. And I called bullshit on the idea that such people make up 99% of people who aren't American conservatives.

[Telconi]

Please provide an example of something worth killing for.

Life? And apparently ice cream.

Ironic, presumably you like life?

[Tobleste]

No. If you think that's what I said, you're likely being dishonest.

I'm proving a point, follow along.

So, we are in agreement there are things worth killing and dying for. So where do you draw that line? For myself and millions of others, it is to preserve, protect, and defend the rights that are outlined in, but by no means provided by, the Constitution of the United States.

You disagree, which is fine, you don't live in the US, you don't have to agree. But you don't get to dismiss and put down those who disagree with your moral judgements because they are moral judgements, and there is no one universal morality or moral truth.

I sort of do. Communists murdered those who opposed state ownership. Nazis murder to protect the ethnic purity of their country. Terrorists murder for God. Serial killers murder for pleasure.

Are you saying I can't dismiss them because they have different "moral judgements"?

[Telconi]

and within one page tobleste devolves into "you're all ignorant and underage" thus conclusively proving how everyone who doesn't think like him is unreasonable

Actually I'm normally ok with different opinions but murdering police officers seem strange to me. Call me bigoted but I draw a line there.

And I didn't say that either.

If Otto Frank had the capacity to, do you believe he would have been wrong to kill the Gestapo officers who came to take he and his family to the concentration camp?