Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Len Hyet]

No one needs weapon in the USA the right to bear arms is waste of everyone's time. There many countries without the right to bear arms and to my knowledge no extremely bad things have happened. In the case of revolution whether you have right or not you will find the weapons. The establishment has better trained, better funded soldiers that do little else than prepare for war. Not to mention police, FBI, CIA, and NSA. I do not believe our country will descend to that level. The Right has always been militant and frankly dangerous.

That's not very cash money of you.

[Grinning Dragon]

No one needs weapon in the USA the right to bear arms is waste of everyone's time. There many countries without the right to bear arms and to my knowledge no extremely bad things have happened. In the case of revolution whether you have right or not you will find the weapons. The establishment has better trained, better funded soldiers that do little else than prepare for war. Not to mention police, FBI, CIA, and NSA. I do not believe our country will descend to that level. The Right has always been militant and frankly dangerous.

Need is irrelevant. Freemen own arms, slaves do not.
Enumerating the natural right to arm oneself, to have the ability to defend life, liberty and property is freedom, a recognition of individual freedom.

[Sicaris]

No one needs weapon in the USA the right to bear arms is waste of everyone's time. There many countries without the right to bear arms and to my knowledge no extremely bad things have happened. In the case of revolution whether you have right or not you will find the weapons. The establishment has better trained, better funded soldiers that do little else than prepare for war. Not to mention police, FBI, CIA, and NSA. I do not believe our country will descend to that level. The Right has always been militant and frankly dangerous.

Yeah, no.

[Aellex]

Need is irrelevant. Freemen own arms, slaves do not.
Enumerating the natural right to arm oneself, to have the ability to defend life, liberty and property is freedom, a recognition of individual freedom.

Mamelouks and Janissaries, tho.

[Grinning Dragon]

Need is irrelevant. Freemen own arms, slaves do not.
Enumerating the natural right to arm oneself, to have the ability to defend life, liberty and property is freedom, a recognition of individual freedom.

Mamelouks and Janissaries, tho.

Hmm, you got me there, weren't they primarily used for operation meat shield/cannon fodder?

[Aellex]

Hmm, you got me there, weren't they primarily used for operation meat shield/cannon fodder?

No, they actually were either regulars or elites soldiers depending on the period and both ended up as the de facto ruling class of their respective empires after a couple of centuries.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Mamelouks and Janissaries, tho.

Hmm, you got me there, weren't they primarily used for operation meat shield/cannon fodder?

Nah slavery soldiers actually have a long trend of taking over the country
Wonder why

[West Leas Oros 2]

It’s not oppression. It’s law enforcement. Antifa are criminals and should be treated as such. Also “seeing fascism where there is none”. Isn’t that exactly what Antifa does?

>tfw perfectly fine with police arresting your own comrades in a Capitalist society

This is why authoritarian leftists are inherently untrustworthy.

I will never consider those edgy punk kids as comrades. They are detrimental to our cause. They aren’t “revolutionary comrades”, they are street criminals and thugs hiding behind a false cause.

[Torrocca]

>tfw perfectly fine with police arresting your own comrades in a Capitalist society

This is why authoritarian leftists are inherently untrustworthy.

I will never consider those edgy punk kids as comrades. They are detrimental to our cause. They aren’t “revolutionary comrades”, they are street criminals and thugs hiding behind a false cause.

Imagine being fine with undermining your own cause because you think your comrades as lesser than yourself and support your enemies putting a stop to them because of it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I will never consider those edgy punk kids as comrades. They are detrimental to our cause. They aren’t “revolutionary comrades”, they are street criminals and thugs hiding behind a false cause.

Imagine being fine with undermining your own cause because you think your comrades as lesser than yourself and support your enemies putting a stop to them because of it.

He's not wrong though. They can't even fight the fash properly, they're really just a detriment to actual leftists.

[Torrocca]

Imagine being fine with undermining your own cause because you think your comrades as lesser than yourself and support your enemies putting a stop to them because of it.

He's not wrong though. They can't even fight the fash properly, they're really just a detriment to actual leftists.

They're still beating the Fash, obviously, if the Fash is back in hiding. :3

[Ors Might]

He's not wrong though. They can't even fight the fash properly, they're really just a detriment to actual leftists.

They're still beating the Fash, obviously, if the Fash is back in hiding. :3

To be fair, the Fash was hiding for a pretty long while after the Nazi’s got curb stomped so hard that Neo-Nazis periodically wince. A good chunk of Antifa lads are just widing those waves and flailing their limbs about, the ungrateful sods.

[Germanyt]

Political violence in a free country is never okay, but if a president ever explicitly and blatantly violates the constitution and tried to censor speech or cancel elections, the American people would be justified in violently deposing said leader. However, until this happens, the best we can do is protest and vote bad people out of office. Militias are only justified in case of national emergency.

[Ors Might]

Political violence in a free country is never okay, but if a president ever explicitly and blatantly violates the constitution and tried to censor speech or cancel elections, the American people would be justified in violently deposing said leader. However, until this happens, the best we can do is protest and vote bad people out of office. Militias are only justified in case of national emergency.

If you only form a militia in national emergencies, you’re gonna end up with some fairly crappy militias.

[Washington Resistance Army]

He's not wrong though. They can't even fight the fash properly, they're really just a detriment to actual leftists.

They're still beating the Fash, obviously, if the Fash is back in hiding. :3

The fash is stronger than any point since 1945.

[Germanyt]

Political violence in a free country is never okay, but if a president ever explicitly and blatantly violates the constitution and tried to censor speech or cancel elections, the American people would be justified in violently deposing said leader. However, until this happens, the best we can do is protest and vote bad people out of office. Militias are only justified in case of national emergency.

If you only form a militia in national emergencies, you’re gonna end up with some fairly crappy militias.

Here's the thing, it's immoral to attack people for their politics in a free country. If we do this, it will just snowball into a 1934 situation in which communists and Nazis are fighting on the streets. However, if either party actually takes control, it is not immoral to depose them.

[Happsborough]

Everybody should be Pro-SA.

[Ors Might]

If you only form a militia in national emergencies, you’re gonna end up with some fairly crappy militias.

Here's the thing, it's immoral to attack people for their politics in a free country. If we do this, it will just snowball into a 1934 situation in which communists and Nazis are fighting on the streets. However, if either party actually takes control, it is not immoral to depose them.

There’s a significant difference between attacking people and forming a militia and training for the possibility that you’ll be needed for the good of your people.

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No one needs weapon in the USA the right to bear arms is waste of everyone's time. There many countries without the right to bear arms and to my knowledge no extremely bad things have happened. In the case of revolution whether you have right or not you will find the weapons. The establishment has better trained, better funded soldiers that do little else than prepare for war. Not to mention police, FBI, CIA, and NSA. I do not believe our country will descend to that level. The Right has always been militant and frankly dangerous.

"Bad things haven't happened" is not a justification for infringing on someone's liberty.

I do agree that the far-right is militant and dangerous but I don't think the solution to that is having faith that the state will protect you.

[Torrocca]

They're still beating the Fash, obviously, if the Fash is back in hiding. :3

The fash is stronger than any point since 1945.

The Fash scattered after Charlottesville I.

They're still beating the Fash, obviously, if the Fash is back in hiding. :3

To be fair, the Fash was hiding for a pretty long while after the Nazi’s got curb stomped so hard that Neo-Nazis periodically wince. A good chunk of Antifa lads are just widing those waves and flailing their limbs about, the ungrateful sods.

To be fair, is it really wrong to ride those waves if the Fash is trying to make a resurgence?

It should be a moral duty of everyone to stop the Fash, after all.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The fash is stronger than any point since 1945.

The Fash scattered after Charlottesville I.

Entirely false lol

[Len Hyet]

The fash is stronger than any point since 1945.

The Fash scattered after Charlottesville I.

To be fair, the Fash was hiding for a pretty long while after the Nazi’s got curb stomped so hard that Neo-Nazis periodically wince. A good chunk of Antifa lads are just widing those waves and flailing their limbs about, the ungrateful sods.

To be fair, is it really wrong to ride those waves if the Fash is trying to make a resurgence?

It should be a moral duty of everyone to stop the Fash, after all.

See my problem with that is how many people get painted with the fascist brush, when they're not fascists.

>inb4 but Charlottesville

Yes. I know. That was a bunch of fascists. It is also not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about all the shenanigans that went down at Berkeley, about the "no-platforming" nonsense being directed at objectively non-fascist conservative thinkers.

But that's getting off topic.

Boogaloo when

[Torrocca]

The Fash scattered after Charlottesville I.

Entirely false lol

If they weren't afraid and scattered, we legitimately wouldn't have this and this to mock. :3

[Ors Might]

The fash is stronger than any point since 1945.

The Fash scattered after Charlottesville I.

To be fair, the Fash was hiding for a pretty long while after the Nazi’s got curb stomped so hard that Neo-Nazis periodically wince. A good chunk of Antifa lads are just widing those waves and flailing their limbs about, the ungrateful sods.

To be fair, is it really wrong to ride those waves if the Fash is trying to make a resurgence?

It should be a moral duty of everyone to stop the Fash, after all.

All I’m saying is that if you really feel that the resurgence of a political ideology is that dangerous, you owe it to your aesthetic to put some oumph into it, y’know? Become the living memetic embodiment of anti-fascism or go home.

[Adad Civilization]

Charlottesville was a meme, news at 11