Leftist Militias: Should Liberals Be Pro-Second Amendment?

[Telconi]

Fuck me, the cringe!

It hurts!

*notices ur cringe* OwO whut's this??

the point <---------------/------------you

Begone, s t a t i s t

>Calls other people statist.
>Would roll tanks into Budapest in a heartbeat.

Biggestofthonks.mp3

[Torrocca]

*notices ur cringe* OwO whut's this??



Begone, s t a t i s t

>Calls other people statist.
>Would roll tanks into Budapest in a heartbeat.

Biggestofthonks.mp3

I'll roll my tanks into your Budapest any day

[Len Hyet]

Meanwhile in "only the police should have guns landia"

Sherrif Joe Arpaio lost 50 NFA firearms (29 machineguns, 20 short-barrel shotguns, 1 short barrel rifle) at least 2 of which have turned up in the possession of someone who got into a gunfight with police.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Antifa is winning, ergo we should have the state crack down on all antifa activities.

This is simply further proof that right-"""Libertarians""" are authoritarians in disguise. :^)

Because fighting against street gangs and wannabe terrorists is authoritarian. “Fascism is when you arrest people for committing crimes, and the more people you arrest, the more fascister it is.” - Benito Mussolini :^)

[Ors Might]

Fuck me, the cringe!

It hurts!

*notices ur cringe* OwO whut's this??

the point <---------------/------------you

Begone, s t a t i s t

...So that Pinochet fellow suddenly doesn’t seem like such a bad chap.

[Torrocca]

*notices ur cringe* OwO whut's this??



Begone, s t a t i s t

...So that Pinochet fellow suddenly doesn’t seem like such a bad chap.

I'll drive him back to his grave with cringe.

This is simply further proof that right-"""Libertarians""" are authoritarians in disguise. :^)

Because fighting against street gangs and wannabe terrorists is authoritarian. “Fascism is when you arrest people for committing crimes, and the more people you arrest, the more fascister it is.” - Benito Mussolini :^)

Imagine being fine with the state oppressing people. Also imagine seeing Fascism when there was none (in that post) :^)

Meanwhile, Not a single left-winger murdered anyone last year in an extremist-related attack.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

This is simply further proof that right-"""Libertarians""" are authoritarians in disguise. :^)

Because fighting against street gangs and wannabe terrorists is authoritarian. “Fascism is when you arrest people for committing crimes, and the more people you arrest, the more fascister it is.” - Benito Mussolini :^)

The trains must run on time, my friend.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Hey, any tactic that causes the modern far-right's American poster-boys like Richard Spencer to cry on camera and declare that, "AntiFa is winning," is a win in my book. :3

Antifa is winning, ergo we should have the state crack down on all antifa activities.

What did they mean by this?

[Imperializt Russia]

Monarchist. They're monarchist, and they're certainly not Socialist. There's no worker control of the means of production.

Socialism is social ownership of the means of production, that can mean state ownership as well as worker ownership.

Also, a family dictatorship is different to a monarchy. Also, monarchism is not an economic system.

Socialism is, as the name may well imply to you, a way of organising societies and our social interactions, as well as the economy. A family dictatorship is fundamentally a monarchy, in the most literal sense (hereditary line of succession, often male-first, sole authority) but we tend to not lump them in because there are still some monarchies that people actually like, see the surviving royal houses of Europe.

The state ownership of the means of the production can be socialist. But when the state controls the means of production and simply just assumes the role of capital (instead of an 'enterprising businessman' we have a party-appointed commissar at the head of the factory, collective profits and products are not produced for the benefit of workers or the state as a nation but the state as an apparatus, as almost all Marxist-Leninist systems have done), that is inherently not socialist.

If the state abolishes private enterprise and 'capitalists', but then just becomes the uber-capitalist in control of all enterprise, then surely you agree that is no meaningful difference to a capitalist.

Marxist-Leninist 'state capitalism' has the sole distinction of having taken hold in states that never quite reached 'capitalism' before Marxist-Leninism and industrialisation.

[Imperializt Russia]

Meanwhile in "only the police should have guns landia"

Sherrif Joe Arpaio lost 50 NFA firearms (29 machineguns, 20 short-barrel shotguns, 1 short barrel rifle) at least 2 of which have turned up in the possession of someone who got into a gunfight with police.

There's a near-total overlap between people who believe in strong gun control, and people who believe "Sheriff" Arpaio should never have been allowed to hold the title.

[The Rich Port]

Meanwhile in "only the police should have guns landia"

Sherrif Joe Arpaio lost 50 NFA firearms (29 machineguns, 20 short-barrel shotguns, 1 short barrel rifle) at least 2 of which have turned up in the possession of someone who got into a gunfight with police.

Frankly, you can't fucking use that.

Trump let that crusty old sack of racism out of prison, ffs.

[Ors Might]

Meanwhile in "only the police should have guns landia"

Sherrif Joe Arpaio lost 50 NFA firearms (29 machineguns, 20 short-barrel shotguns, 1 short barrel rifle) at least 2 of which have turned up in the possession of someone who got into a gunfight with police.

Frankly, you can't fucking use that.

Trump let that crusty old sack of racism out of prison, ffs.

Trump has nothing to do with the fact that Arpaio is a piece of evidence that police aren’t the only ones that should have guns, though. Arpaio was a cop before Trump got into office.

[West Leas Oros 2]

...So that Pinochet fellow suddenly doesn’t seem like such a bad chap.

I'll drive him back to his grave with cringe.

Because fighting against street gangs and wannabe terrorists is authoritarian. “Fascism is when you arrest people for committing crimes, and the more people you arrest, the more fascister it is.” - Benito Mussolini :^)

Imagine being fine with the state oppressing people. Also imagine seeing Fascism when there was none (in that post) :^)

Meanwhile, Not a single left-winger murdered anyone last year in an extremist-related attack.

It’s not oppression. It’s law enforcement. Antifa are criminals and should be treated as such. Also “seeing fascism where there is none”. Isn’t that exactly what Antifa does?

[Paddy O Fernature]

I'll drive him back to his grave with cringe.



Imagine being fine with the state oppressing people. Also imagine seeing Fascism when there was none (in that post) :^)

Meanwhile, Not a single left-winger murdered anyone last year in an extremist-related attack.

It’s not oppression. It’s law enforcement. Antifa are criminals and should be treated as such. Also “seeing fascism where there is none”. Isn’t that exactly what Antifa does?

Really wish both sides would forget that word already, as like anything TSwift, it's so god damned overplayed by everyone and their dog and I'm sick of hearing it every time I turn the radio on.

[Tobleste]

Meanwhile in "only the police should have guns landia"

Sherrif Joe Arpaio lost 50 NFA firearms (29 machineguns, 20 short-barrel shotguns, 1 short barrel rifle) at least 2 of which have turned up in the possession of someone who got into a gunfight with police.

There's a near-total overlap between people who believe in strong gun control, and people who believe "Sheriff" Arpaio should never have been allowed to hold the title.

Exactly. Many of the same people who believe whatever the NRA tells them also back Trump who pardoned that creep in the first place (though that's because of his racial profiling and abuse).

...And if less people had guns, a sheriff mightn't need 50.

.....And more people having guns wouldn't prevent Arpaio from losing his.

..........And wtf does this prove anyway? Is the suggestion that because even a sheriff can lose guns, everyone having one would make it easy to get one in an emergency or that some police are so incompetent everyone having the capacity to kill each other is a good thing?

There should be a Google translate option for "pro gun" talk.

[Ors Might]

There's a near-total overlap between people who believe in strong gun control, and people who believe "Sheriff" Arpaio should never have been allowed to hold the title.

Exactly. Many of the same people who believe whatever the NRA tells them also back Trump who pardoned that creep in the first place (though that's because of his racial profiling and abuse).

...And if less people had guns, a sheriff mightn't need 50.

.....And more people having guns wouldn't prevent Arpaio from losing his.

..........And wtf does this prove anyway? Is the suggestion that because even a sheriff can lose guns, everyone having one would make it easy to get one in an emergency or that some police are so incompetent everyone having the capacity to kill each other is a good thing?

There should be a Google translate option for "pro gun" talk.

Well see, if you had been paying attention and not dismissing your opponents out of hand, you might know. It was a counter example to the claim that only police and the military should have guns, becsuse apparently government backing means you’re more deserving of the right to protect yourself or something.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Many of the same people who believe whatever the NRA tells them also back Trump who pardoned that creep in the first place (though that's because of his racial profiling and abuse)...

I assume that you have a few reliable sources to back those two mighty fine claims of yours up?

...And if less people had guns, a sheriff mightn't need 50.

DEPARTMENT. Sheriff Department. Bit of a difference there, not that you actually give a shit though.

.....And more people having guns wouldn't prevent Arpaio from losing his.

Correct, and what exactly...?

..........And wtf does this prove anyway? Is the suggestion that because even a sheriff can lose guns, everyone having one would make it easy to get one in an emergency or that some police are so incompetent everyone having the capacity to kill each other is a good thing?

There should be a Google translate option for "pro gun" talk.

You literally are making an argument here that nobody is saying, just to say something.

Just saying.

[Chan Island]

>Calls other people statist.
>Would roll tanks into Budapest in a heartbeat.

Biggestofthonks.mp3

I'll roll my tanks into your Budapest any day

This film has been rated XXX.

[Alexiandra]

'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.'

[Torrocca]

I'll drive him back to his grave with cringe.



Imagine being fine with the state oppressing people. Also imagine seeing Fascism when there was none (in that post) :^)

Meanwhile, Not a single left-winger murdered anyone last year in an extremist-related attack.

It’s not oppression. It’s law enforcement. Antifa are criminals and should be treated as such. Also “seeing fascism where there is none”. Isn’t that exactly what Antifa does?

>tfw perfectly fine with police arresting your own comrades in a Capitalist society

This is why authoritarian leftists are inherently untrustworthy.

[Alexiandra]

It’s not oppression. It’s law enforcement. Antifa are criminals and should be treated as such. Also “seeing fascism where there is none”. Isn’t that exactly what Antifa does?

>tfw perfectly fine with police arresting your own comrades in a Capitalist society

This is why authoritarian leftists are inherently untrustworthy.

>tfw Marx himself, the patron saint of tankies everywhere, endorsed the use of force to defend ordinary workers from the state

The obliviousness of auth-leftists never fails to amaze me

[Torrocca]

>tfw perfectly fine with police arresting your own comrades in a Capitalist society

This is why authoritarian leftists are inherently untrustworthy.

>tfw Marx himself, the patron saint of tankies everywhere, endorsed the use of force to defend ordinary workers from the state

The obliviousness of auth-leftists never fails to amaze me

Clearly he meant that it's fine for the state to oppress the workers when the workers start actively doing things, like fight fascists and all their allies in the streets /s

[Len Hyet]

Meanwhile in "only the police should have guns landia"

Sherrif Joe Arpaio lost 50 NFA firearms (29 machineguns, 20 short-barrel shotguns, 1 short barrel rifle) at least 2 of which have turned up in the possession of someone who got into a gunfight with police.

Frankly, you can't fucking use that.

Trump let that crusty old sack of racism out of prison, ffs.

Sure I can. When yall say "only the police" you get all the police. Not just the good ones.

There's a near-total overlap between people who believe in strong gun control, and people who believe "Sheriff" Arpaio should never have been allowed to hold the title.

Exactly. Many of the same people who believe whatever the NRA tells them also back Trump who pardoned that creep in the first place (though that's because of his racial profiling and abuse).

...And if less people had guns, a sheriff mightn't need 50.

.....And more people having guns wouldn't prevent Arpaio from losing his.

..........And wtf does this prove anyway? Is the suggestion that because even a sheriff can lose guns, everyone having one would make it easy to get one in an emergency or that some police are so incompetent everyone having the capacity to kill each other is a good thing?

There should be a Google translate option for "pro gun" talk.

Do you want another spanking like you got in the Gun Control thread?

[Alexiandra]

There's a near-total overlap between people who believe in strong gun control, and people who believe "Sheriff" Arpaio should never have been allowed to hold the title.

Exactly. Many of the same people who believe whatever the NRA tells them also back Trump who pardoned that creep in the first place (though that's because of his racial profiling and abuse).

...And if less people had guns, a sheriff mightn't need 50.

A sheriff needs 50 guns to defend the property rights of the bourgeoisie, and to oppress minorities and/or recalcitrant political factions. The police are not your friends, especially if you're a POC. They exist, as an institution, to preserve the existing economic and social order, which is manifestly unjust. This is why many anarchists, including myself, use the phrase 'all cops are bastards'. Police having guns is a bad thing - the only thing that's worse is police having guns at the same time as regular folks are disarmed. The people are left defenceless against the repression meted out by the state.

Arming minority communities is a particularly effective method of preventing police injustice. Armed patrols by the Black Panthers, for example, were undertaken to 'police the police' and prevent injustices against members of California's black community. By endorsing the liberal consensus against gun ownership, you are concentrating all lethal weaponry into the hands of a privileged minority - the police - and thus facilitating the preservation of the discriminatory status quo.

[Ethereal Expanse]

No one needs weapon in the USA the right to bear arms is waste of everyone's time. There many countries without the right to bear arms and to my knowledge no extremely bad things have happened. In the case of revolution whether you have right or not you will find the weapons. The establishment has better trained, better funded soldiers that do little else than prepare for war. Not to mention police, FBI, CIA, and NSA. I do not believe our country will descend to that level. The Right has always been militant and frankly dangerous.