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I think..

..companies should stay out of society
90
31%
..companies have a role to play in society
55
19%
..David Hasselhoff is the best a man can get
47
16%
..this poll almost demanded that Hasselhoff option
18
6%
..did you just post this for that option
15
5%
..seriously?
28
10%
..let us move from #metoo to #meclick
13
4%
..#meclick polls
25
9%
 
Total votes : 291

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:10 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Did you mean: Reenact the Holocaust, but against classes instead of races or religions?


>implying that's what the alt-right want to do

lmao


I was referring to tankies..

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:10 pm

Galloism wrote:
New haven america wrote:And I get insulted by both sides.

Yay! \(^_^)/

That's when you know you're doing something right.

Or when you've jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability. I can't say which, since I haven't paid much attention to this thread.
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Galloism
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:11 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's when you know you're doing something right.

Or when you've jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability. I can't say which, since I haven't paid much attention to this thread.

The world has jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability.
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The Black Party
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Postby The Black Party » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:12 pm

Galloism wrote:-snip-

/unrelated but I watched the video in your sig. Good stuff.
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:12 pm

Galloism wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Or when you've jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability. I can't say which, since I haven't paid much attention to this thread.

The world has jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability.

Quite a while ago as well.
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:13 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying that's what the alt-right want to do

lmao


I was referring to tankies..

SJWs are Marxist-Stalinist now?
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:13 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying that's what the alt-right want to do

lmao


I was referring to tankies..


Tankies wouldn't even remotely begin to fall under the purview of SJW.
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Galloism wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Or when you've jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability. I can't say which, since I haven't paid much attention to this thread.

The world has jumped the shark and gone well outside the realm of respectability.

Perhaps. At least a good portion of it.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:14 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I was referring to tankies..


Tankies wouldn't even remotely begin to fall under the purview of SJW.

Everything I don't like is SJW.

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The South Falls
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Postby The South Falls » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:15 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
New haven america wrote:No no, you see, it's how your presenting this fact.

You're treating it as if "white men bad" is one of the main messages, when it's not. Attacking the company's history or how the message doesn't apply to most men in general would be a better approach. Also, you can look at the commercial from multiple POV's, I know you hate this but from a Feminist perspective, this commercial's absolute drivel and probably won't do anything to help or raise awareness for the things presented in it.


It's not one of the main messages per se, but it's one of the things that the advert communicates. I've looked at the advert from tonnes of viewpoints, admittedly not a feminist one in particular.

Chiefly my beef with it, the thing that pisses me off most about it, is the isntitutional thing I talked about earlier, idk if you saw it.




Yeah yeah anti-feminist "ranting" w/e, it's a valid observation imo.

I understand that men's issues are suppressed in society. I get it. But saying that women's problems don't exist because men's problems are largely ignored is plain dishonest. I believe that the company has shitty marketing and has no taste, but I do not believe that there is any sort of "feminist agenda" behnd this.
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West Leas Oros 2
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:16 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying that's what the alt-right want to do

lmao


I was referring to tankies..

Yeah... tankies aren’t SJWS.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Tankies wouldn't even remotely begin to fall under the purview of SJW.

Everything I don't like is SJW.

Everybody's a Hitler now. Everybody's a Nazi somehow!
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West Leas Oros 2
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:*grumbles something about cucks*

I’ll be honest, SJWS and the Alt-Right are the only cases where horseshoe theory applies.


>Breaking out the horseshoe theory to draw equivalence between people that'd very much like to reenact the Holocaust and people who, at their very worse, violently defend the idea of social equality

>implying SJWS are about social equality.
This is why I hate An-“coms”.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Tankies wouldn't even remotely begin to fall under the purview of SJW.

Everything I don't like is SJW.


I like how SJW's become an insult, though, when it's almost entirely aimed at people suggesting things like multiculturalism and gender or racial equality as something we should be doing.
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West Leas Oros 2
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:17 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Everything I don't like is SJW.

Everybody's a Hitler now. Everybody's a Nazi somehow!

I have that song in my sig actually.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:18 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It's not one of the main messages per se, but it's one of the things that the advert communicates. I've looked at the advert from tonnes of viewpoints, admittedly not a feminist one in particular.

Chiefly my beef with it, the thing that pisses me off most about it, is the isntitutional thing I talked about earlier, idk if you saw it.



Yeah yeah anti-feminist "ranting" w/e, it's a valid observation imo.

I understand that men's issues are suppressed in society. I get it. But saying that women's problems don't exist because men's problems are largely ignored is plain dishonest. I believe that the company has shitty marketing and has no taste, but I do not believe that there is any sort of "feminist agenda" behnd this.


I didn't claim womens problems don't exist. You appear not to have understood my point. Where did you get this idea that this is what I said?
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Postby The Technocrates » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:18 pm

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:19 pm

The Technocrates wrote:

The two genders: Having an anime avatar or not.

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:19 pm

The Technocrates wrote:


How dare you associate my beloved avatar to godless anime...

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:20 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Breaking out the horseshoe theory to draw equivalence between people that'd very much like to reenact the Holocaust and people who, at their very worse, violently defend the idea of social equality

>implying SJWS are about social equality.
This is why I hate An-“coms”.


Y'know, swinging the pendulum away from, "I'm gonna start a militia to kill men because I think they're all evil!" to, "literally nobody who's ever been labeled by their political opponents as an SJW ever has earnestly cared about things like social equality because some have bad thoughts about certain groups of people so therefore I think they're all evil!" isn't how you fix the problems involving the ravenous extremism of your personal beliefs.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:20 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Everything I don't like is SJW.


I like how SJW's become an insult, though, when it's almost entirely aimed at people suggesting things like multiculturalism and gender or racial equality as something we should be doing.

Again, fuck no they aren’t. An SJW is much different from an actual social activist. An activist would say something like “we need to make society more fair and equal, and work towards it.” An SJW would say “WE NEED TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE I DEEM AS OPPRESSIVE BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WERE BORN!”
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:21 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Everything I don't like is SJW.


I like how SJW's become an insult, though, when it's almost entirely aimed at people suggesting things like multiculturalism and gender or racial equality as something we should be doing.

Actually, most people who fall into the "SJW" category tend to not agree with multiculturalism (Quite the opposite in fact, a lot have this mind set that every culture needs to be placed in a little box/cage and stay completely static and never changing, this is why things like Cultural Appropriation and Diffusion are perceived to be wholly negative when in reality they're neutral at both best and worst and are very situation specific), a lot don't actually believe in gender or racial equality, they instead believe in gender/racial revenge (Which is why they've created terms like race traitor, half-breeds, etc... and adopted the idea of Sin of the Ancestors), etc...

What you're thinking of is a social activist.
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Postby Torrocca » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:23 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I like how SJW's become an insult, though, when it's almost entirely aimed at people suggesting things like multiculturalism and gender or racial equality as something we should be doing.

Again, fuck no they aren’t. An SJW is much different from an actual social activist. An activist would say something like “we need to make society more fair and equal, and work towards it.” An SJW would say “WE NEED TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE I DEEM AS OPPRESSIVE BECAUSE OF HOW THEY WERE BORN!”


SJW isn't even a term with a universally agreed-upon definition because of how insanely it's used to paint anyone speaking about social woes as a radical madperson lmao
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:23 pm

New haven america wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
I like how SJW's become an insult, though, when it's almost entirely aimed at people suggesting things like multiculturalism and gender or racial equality as something we should be doing.

Actually, most people who fall into the "SJW" category tend to not agree with multiculturalism (Quite the opposite in fact, a lot have this mind set that every culture needs to be placed in a little box/cage and stay completely static and never changing, this is why things like Cultural Appropriation and Diffusion are perceived to be wholly negative when in reality they're neutral at both best and worse and are very situation specific), a lot don't actually believe in gender or racial equality, they instead believe in gender/racial revenge, etc...

What you're thinking of is a social activist.

Exactly what I’m trying to say.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:23 pm

The Technocrates wrote:

I take joy in knowing that something as simple as an online avatar can cause people to lose their minds so easily.
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