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I think..

..companies should stay out of society
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31%
..companies have a role to play in society
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19%
..David Hasselhoff is the best a man can get
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16%
..this poll almost demanded that Hasselhoff option
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6%
..did you just post this for that option
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5%
..seriously?
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10%
..let us move from #metoo to #meclick
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..#meclick polls
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Total votes : 291

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The Blaatschapen
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:41 am

So, is it just me or is Gillette not a good razor for people with a thin skin?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:42 am

Ifreann wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:This was the point I made earlier, and I’m sticking to it. Gillette is seeking converts, seeking obedience.


I don’t know what kind of fucked up world we’re in were you’re born a villain, and the only way to repent is to reject yourself and become a drone to the powers that be.

I think you're overselling it a bit.

I don’t think so. It’s not even proselytizing, IMO. The way I see it, it’s a diatribe on the villainy of men.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:45 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:So, is it just me or is Gillette not a good razor for people with a thin skin?


I guess I'll be figurin' that one out over the weekend with my new Gillette Mach 3 disposable razors (which I bought before the ad was released).

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Postby Cairnlands » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:49 am

welp they played the add at my {insert academic institution here},
there is now a revolution and counter-revolution among the students
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:54 am

Cairnlands wrote:welp they played the add at my {insert academic institution here},
there is now a revolution and counter-revolution among the students


If the RadFems and RadMRMs would take their fight to the football field and leave the remaining ModFems and ModMRMs to hold a civilized debate and some rounds of talks, that'd be great.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:56 am

Hirota wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:This was the point I made earlier, and I’m sticking to it. Gillette is seeking converts, seeking obedience.


I don’t know what kind of fucked up world we’re in were you’re born a villain, and the only way to repent is to reject yourself and become a drone to the powers that be.
<nods> It's why I used "pontificating." It's positioning Gillette as the brand to save your soul (and facial hair or lack thereof) from eternal damnation. Repent your sins and be saved.

Ifreann wrote:I think you're overselling it a bit.
Overselling like positioning a shaving company as the moral compass for men in the west? Or not quite that absurd?

Overselling it like reading into the ad that Gillette is casting themselves as the authority figure that can tell you how to live correctly.


West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I think you're overselling it a bit.

I don’t think so. It’s not even proselytizing, IMO. The way I see it, it’s a diatribe on the villainy of men.

It's really not.

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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:00 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:So, is it just me or is Gillette not a good razor for people with a thin skin?

That's a deep cut.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:00 am

Cairnlands wrote:welp they played the add at my {insert academic institution here},
there is now a revolution and counter-revolution among the students

Create a third faction, and attempt to seize power amidst the chaos.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:03 am

Gravlen wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:So, is it just me or is Gillette not a good razor for people with a thin skin?

That's a deep cut.


At least someone sees what I did there.

I was almost afraid that my pun skills were getting rusty.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:03 am

You know, once you factor in the fact that advertising is more about raising brand awareness, this is a fantastically successful advert.

It's also kinda funny that people who get so steamed up about the ad and stop buying their razors will most likely be buying another brand that's made by the same company.
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Postby Juristonia » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:03 am

If I ever get as pissy about a fucking razor commercial as some folk here, can someone please smack some sense in to me?
Not to get too "starving kiddies in Africa" over this, but get some bloody perspective, for god's sake.
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And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:05 am

Juristonia wrote:If I ever get as pissy about a fucking razor commercial as some folk here, can someone please smack some sense in to me?
Not to get too "starving kiddies in Africa" over this, but get some bloody perspective, for god's sake.


Kids in Africa could've eaten those razors!

...Fuck I feel a bit bad saying that.

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Postby Juristonia » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:06 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Juristonia wrote:If I ever get as pissy about a fucking razor commercial as some folk here, can someone please smack some sense in to me?
Not to get too "starving kiddies in Africa" over this, but get some bloody perspective, for god's sake.


Kids in Africa could've eaten those razors!

...Fuck I feel a bit bad saying that.

I mean, I suppose that's technically a solution...
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway, I'm from gold country, we grow up knowing that when people jump up and down shouting "GOLD GOLD GOLD" the gold is gone and the only money to be made is in selling shovels.

And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:07 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Juristonia wrote:If I ever get as pissy about a fucking razor commercial as some folk here, can someone please smack some sense in to me?
Not to get too "starving kiddies in Africa" over this, but get some bloody perspective, for god's sake.


Kids in Africa could've eaten those razors!

...Fuck I feel a bit bad saying that.


Kids in Africa might well have mined the metals and rare earth minerals used by the company, and plenty of folks probably suffered putting them together. It's why companies like this bearing a moral message is always a bit weird, regardless of whether you agree with the message.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:09 am

Caracasus wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Kids in Africa could've eaten those razors!

...Fuck I feel a bit bad saying that.


Kids in Africa might well have mined the metals and rare earth minerals used by the company, and plenty of folks probably suffered putting them together. It's why companies like this bearing a moral message is always a bit weird, regardless of whether you agree with the message.


https://www.pg.com/en_EG/news/ChildLabor_news.shtml

Not sure if there is more up to date news regarding this. 'companies like this' is a bit vague when we actually know the company in question, and there has been at least some good news on that front (even if it were 12+ years ago)

So, come with a source, for the accusation :)
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:12 am

I honestly don't know how anyone is offended by the message. How about not being a fucking bully or toxic person in general.

Like, oh no, stop the presses.


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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:12 am

Caracasus wrote:You know, once you factor in the fact that advertising is more about raising brand awareness, this is a fantastically successful advert.

It's also kinda funny that people who get so steamed up about the ad and stop buying their razors will most likely be buying another brand that's made by the same company.

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:13 am

Duvniask wrote:I honestly don't know how anyone is offended by the message. How about not being a fucking bully or toxic person in general.

Like, oh no, stop the presses.


Bombadil wrote:Yay.. more controversy in the world of men vs. all society.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koPmuEyP3a0

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We live in a society.

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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:31 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Kids in Africa might well have mined the metals and rare earth minerals used by the company, and plenty of folks probably suffered putting them together. It's why companies like this bearing a moral message is always a bit weird, regardless of whether you agree with the message.


https://www.pg.com/en_EG/news/ChildLabor_news.shtml

Not sure if there is more up to date news regarding this. 'companies like this' is a bit vague when we actually know the company in question, and there has been at least some good news on that front (even if it were 12+ years ago)

So, come with a source, for the accusation :)



https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... ed-labour/

P&G are a large international company. Odds are they benefit from exploitation.

Given razors and esp. Electric razors contain metals and rare earth minerals they are likely at best turning a blind eye to exploitation in the developing world.

Edit: in case it is not obvious I agree broadly with the message, but kinda concerned about the choice of messenger.
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:39 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Gravlen wrote:That's a deep cut.


At least someone sees what I did there.

I was almost afraid that my pun skills were getting rusty.

It was a close shave, I guess you aren't edgy enough.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:47 am

Gravlen wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
At least someone sees what I did there.

I was almost afraid that my pun skills were getting rusty.

It was a close shave, I guess you aren't edgy enough.


Mind if I cut in? The comment wasn't too edgy or too blunt IMO. It was just right. True, some comments have 2 or 3 layers of edge but I'd rather take a straightforward safety post than an overly edgy one.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Hirota wrote:<nods> It's why I used "pontificating." It's positioning Gillette as the brand to save your soul (and facial hair or lack thereof) from eternal damnation. Repent your sins and be saved.

Overselling like positioning a shaving company as the moral compass for men in the west? Or not quite that absurd?

Overselling it like reading into the ad that Gillette is casting themselves as the authority figure that can tell you how to live correctly.


West Leas Oros 2 wrote:I don’t think so. It’s not even proselytizing, IMO. The way I see it, it’s a diatribe on the villainy of men.

It's really not.

I wouldn’t be suprised if Gillette tried to play moral authority. Or at the very least, that they’re promoting the “#metoo” movement as the moral authority.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:07 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Overselling it like reading into the ad that Gillette is casting themselves as the authority figure that can tell you how to live correctly.



It's really not.

I wouldn’t be suprised if Gillette tried to play moral authority. Or at the very least, that they’re promoting the “#metoo” movement as the moral authority.


Seems a lot more likely to be a combination of wanting to raise brand awareness by getting people talking and probably a few folks in the company who beleived it was a good way of addressing a social issue.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:29 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:So, is it just me or is Gillette not a good razor for people with a thin skin?


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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 17, 2019 10:31 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Overselling it like reading into the ad that Gillette is casting themselves as the authority figure that can tell you how to live correctly.



It's really not.

I wouldn’t be suprised if Gillette tried to play moral authority. Or at the very least, that they’re promoting the “#metoo” movement as the moral authority.

But they're not. There is no promotion of any moral authority evident in this ad.

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