The best that men can get..

[New haven america]

As a society, we would not tolerate a video such as this telling women to police other women for sexism against men like this.

Wouldn't we, though? If it were framed in similar terms as the ad did?

No chance in hell.

Probably wouldn't even get past the initial pitch.

[Arlenton]

Not saying you're wrong, but I seem to see the whole "alpha" and "beta" thing. For both males and females.

Some guys make themselves alpha. Some make them Beta. I've seen it plenty. Are we all conditioned to do this?

Ok, then who are the deltas, omegas, and gammas?

Also, if you want to go with the debunked Alpha/Beta setup, then you have to realize that betas are actually really fucking dangerous, as they're placed 2nd in the social hierarchy, not last (Which is where gammas and omegas tend to lie) and tend to take more responsibility in hunting and defending the pack than alphas do (As alphas have a tendency to be lazy bastards).

IDK gays or something.

[New haven america]

1. Not specifically masculine behavior
2. Stupid behavior
3. Behavior everyone should be capable of
4. Emotional insecurity
5. Interests that aren't gender specific

I personally view masculinity as not giving a fuck about what's considered traditionally masculine or not and just doing what you want to do.

Glad to know your opinion on what masculinity is I guess.

Which is why I think trying to continue on with the ideas of what masculinity is or not is stupid.

Same things goes for femininity.

[Arlenton]

Glad to know your opinion on what masculinity is I guess.

Which is why I think trying to continue on with the ideas of what masculinity is or not is stupid.

Same things goes for femininity.

What do you mean?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Ok, then who are the deltas, omegas, and gammas?

Also, if you want to go with the debunked Alpha/Beta setup, then you have to realize that betas are actually really fucking dangerous, as they're placed 2nd in the social hierarchy, not last (Which is where gammas and omegas tend to lie) and tend to take more responsibility in hunting and defending the pack than alphas do (As alphas have a tendency to be lazy bastards).

IDK gays or something.

...I knew homosexual men who could easily pass as far more "alpha" than most of the unironic believers in that stupid meme.

[New haven america]

Ok, then who are the deltas, omegas, and gammas?

Also, if you want to go with the debunked Alpha/Beta setup, then you have to realize that betas are actually really fucking dangerous, as they're placed 2nd in the social hierarchy, not last (Which is where gammas and omegas tend to lie) and tend to take more responsibility in hunting and defending the pack than alphas do (As alphas have a tendency to be lazy bastards).

IDK gays or something.

How?

Cause I know some gay guys who would have no trouble acting out what you're describing as masculine behavior. Only difference is that they like dick.

[Liriena]

Except far right grifters have been using the "meme" unironically for years to demonize vast groups of people as somehow being "biologically" inferior. Renowned fraud with an accent, PJW, took it to its ultimate conclusion with his talk of the "tofu eating male feminist beta orbiter soyboy", which combined two wonderfully stupid examples of male chauvinist pseudo-science and, when he got debunked, he threw a very omega hissy fit.

So a fairly small minority uses it seriously and now it isn’t a joke?

Something can be expressed both as a joke and as a serious opinion. Like anti-semitism. The problem comes when your community becomes so irony poisoned that the line between meme and serious shit vanishes altogether and the meme becomes ideology.

[Arlenton]

IDK gays or something.

...I knew homosexual men who could easily pass as far more "alpha" than most of the unironic believers in that stupid meme.

You're probably right. Gays are the ultimate alpha.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

...I knew homosexual men who could easily pass as far more "alpha" than most of the unironic believers in that stupid meme.

You're probably right. Gays are the ultimate alpha.

Correction, bisexuals are the ultimate alpha.

[New haven america]

Which is why I think trying to continue on with the ideas of what masculinity is or not is stupid.

Same things goes for femininity.

What do you mean?

Why do you feel the need to label things as traditionally masculine? Or make distinctions between alphas/betas (Which is completely fucking wrong, as I've just been over)?

Why do you care what other people do with their lives?

[Arlenton]

IDK gays or something.

How?

Cause I know some gay guys who would have no trouble acting out what you're describing as masculine behavior. Only difference is that they like dick.

I have no idea. I only thought of two. Alpha and beta. Apparently all the alphas and betas I've seen are fake news or something because it doesn't exist. The weird kid in high school who sat in the corner and drew furry comics got as many girls as my friend who played football and I just didn't notice because I fell for memes.

[Arlenton]

What do you mean?

Why do you feel the need to label things as traditionally masculine? Or make distinctions between alphas/betas (Which is completely fucking wrong, as I've just been over)?

Why do you care what other people do with their lives?

I see things as masculine, so I say they are masculine.

I do notice social interactions that put people into those two categories. May sound dumb, but those "chad vs virgin" memes are pretty accurate to what I have encountered.

I prefer to live in a society that fits me. My society does. I want to keep it that way.

[Arlenton]

You're probably right. Gays are the ultimate alpha.

Correction, bisexuals are the ultimate alpha.

Holy shit you're right.

[Arlenton]

So a fairly small minority uses it seriously and now it isn’t a joke?

Something can be expressed both as a joke and as a serious opinion. Like anti-semitism. The problem comes when your community becomes so irony poisoned that the line between meme and serious shit vanishes altogether and the meme becomes ideology.

Just curious. I know people who aren't very socially active, who don't date people, and don't hang out with very many others. I also know people who are socially active, date/sleep with others, and are very popular.

How is labeling one beta and one alpha incorrect?

[New haven america]

Something can be expressed both as a joke and as a serious opinion. Like anti-semitism. The problem comes when your community becomes so irony poisoned that the line between meme and serious shit vanishes altogether and the meme becomes ideology.

Just curious. I know people who aren't very socially active, who don't date people, and don't hang out with very many others. I also know people who are socially active, date/sleep with others, and are very popular.

How is labeling one beta and one alpha incorrect?

Because as stated before, betas in a pack are actually pretty fucking dangerous.

Also, for all you know, that could just be a phase. Humans have periods where their more socially active and/or less socially active. This can be caused by natural introversion/extroversion/ambiversion behavior patterns, mental health, work/school stress, etc...

[New haven america]

How?

Cause I know some gay guys who would have no trouble acting out what you're describing as masculine behavior. Only difference is that they like dick.

I have no idea. I only thought of two. Alpha and beta. Apparently all the alphas and betas I've seen are fake news or something because it doesn't exist. The weird kid in high school who sat in the corner and drew furry comics got as many girls as my friend who played football and I just didn't notice because I fell for memes.

It's been known to happen.

Also, why do you feel the need to call shit you don't agree with as just memes? There has to be better and more original ways to belittle something, doesn't there? Come on Arlenton, let's go, put in the work.

[Arlenton]

Just curious. I know people who aren't very socially active, who don't date people, and don't hang out with very many others. I also know people who are socially active, date/sleep with others, and are very popular.

How is labeling one beta and one alpha incorrect?

Because as stated before, betas in a pack are actually pretty fucking dangerous.

Also, for all you know, that could just be a phase. Humans have periods where their more socially active and/or less socially active. This can be caused by natural introversion/extroversion/ambiversion behavior patterns, mental health, work/school stress, etc...

Anyone can be dangerous. I had a beta tell me that he'd shoot up the school and that my friend and I would be the first to go. Alphas can be dangerous too. People can be dangerous in general.

And I understand people change and go through phases. I was beta as fuck in middle school. Even until Junior year in high school I was kinda beta. I do think people can be "more beta" or "more alpha".

But is the label really incorrect? At the time, is the furry kid who doesn't hang out with anyone not beta and the football player who dates all the hot girls not alpha?

[Arlenton]

I have no idea. I only thought of two. Alpha and beta. Apparently all the alphas and betas I've seen are fake news or something because it doesn't exist. The weird kid in high school who sat in the corner and drew furry comics got as many girls as my friend who played football and I just didn't notice because I fell for memes.

It's been known to happen.

Also, why do you feel the need to call shit you don't agree with as just memes? There has to be better and more original ways to belittle something, doesn't there? Come on Arlenton, let's go, put in the work.

I'm the one agreeing with the memes...

[New haven america]

Why do you feel the need to label things as traditionally masculine? Or make distinctions between alphas/betas (Which is completely fucking wrong, as I've just been over)?

Why do you care what other people do with their lives?

1. I see things as masculine, so I say they are masculine.

2.I do notice social interactions that put people into those two categories. May sound dumb, but those "chad vs virgin" memes are pretty accurate to what I have encountered.

3. I prefer to live in a society that fits me. My society does. I want to keep it that way.

1. Why do you feel the need to though?
2. Why do you feel the need to though?
3. Then enjoy China or Russia, then, as they're still big proponents or traditional masculinity. They even let you beat your wife.

[New haven america]

Because as stated before, betas in a pack are actually pretty fucking dangerous.

Also, for all you know, that could just be a phase. Humans have periods where their more socially active and/or less socially active. This can be caused by natural introversion/extroversion/ambiversion behavior patterns, mental health, work/school stress, etc...

Anyone can be dangerous. I had a beta tell me that he'd shoot up the school and that my friend and I would be the first to go. Alphas can be dangerous too. People can be dangerous in general.

And I understand people change and go through phases. I was beta as fuck in middle school. Even until Junior year in high school I was kinda beta. I do think people can be "more beta" or "more alpha".

But is the label really incorrect? At the time, is the furry kid who doesn't hang out with anyone not beta and the football player who dates all the hot girls not alpha?

Yes, the label is incorrect. If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd use the terms Alpha and Omegas/Gammas.

[Arlenton]

Anyone can be dangerous. I had a beta tell me that he'd shoot up the school and that my friend and I would be the first to go. Alphas can be dangerous too. People can be dangerous in general.

And I understand people change and go through phases. I was beta as fuck in middle school. Even until Junior year in high school I was kinda beta. I do think people can be "more beta" or "more alpha".

But is the label really incorrect? At the time, is the furry kid who doesn't hang out with anyone not beta and the football player who dates all the hot girls not alpha?

Yes, the label is incorrect. If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd use the terms Alpha and Omegas/Gammas.

Why is it not correct? I don't get it. And what the fuck are the other ones?

[Arlenton]

1. I see things as masculine, so I say they are masculine.

2.I do notice social interactions that put people into those two categories. May sound dumb, but those "chad vs virgin" memes are pretty accurate to what I have encountered.

3. I prefer to live in a society that fits me. My society does. I want to keep it that way.

1. Why do you feel the need to though?
2. Why do you feel the need to though?
3. Then enjoy China or Russia, then, as they're still big proponents or traditional masculinity. They even let you beat your wife.

1. Because it is a topic of discussion in this thread?

2. Because I have senses that see stuff happening?

3. I'm doing just fine in the US.

[New haven america]

Yes, the label is incorrect. If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd use the terms Alpha and Omegas/Gammas.

Why is it not correct? I don't get it. And what the fuck are the other ones?

For someone who claims to use it so much, you seem to be lacking in actual understanding... ugh, fine.

Debunked Alpha/Beta/Omega Social Hierarchy:
-Alpha: Head of the pack, tends to get everything first, also tends to have a lazy streak
-Beta: 2nd in command, has closer connection to pack due to usually acting as hunters/defenders, comes 2nd when getting food, is actually very friendly with Alphas and vice versa
-Omegas/Gammas: last in pecking order, last to get food, unlikely to mate despite being the largest population bar none, totally submissive and used as communal scapegoat

However, as stated before, this has been debunked by modern biologists and even the person who came up with the order, as animal populations are far to complex to put into groups such as the one above.

[Arlenton]

Why is it not correct? I don't get it. And what the fuck are the other ones?

For someone who claims to use it so much, you seem to be lacking in actual understanding... ugh, fine.

Debunked Alpha/Beta Social Hierarchy:
-Alpha: Head of the pack, tends to get everything first, also tends to have a lazy streak
-Beta: 2nd in command, has closer connection to pack due to usually acting as hunters/defenders, comes 2nd when getting food, is actually very friendly with alphas and vice versa
-Omegas/Gammas: last in pecking order, last to get food, unlikely to mate despite being the largest population bar none, totally submissive and used as communal scapegoat

Ok that makes sense.

But what you're saying is...the football player dating all the girls isn't an alpha, his friend who is popular but not as popular isn't a beta, and the furry kid isn't a omega/gamma?

[Arlenton]

Why is it not correct? I don't get it. And what the fuck are the other ones?

For someone who claims to use it so much, you seem to be lacking in actual understanding... ugh, fine.

Debunked Alpha/Beta/Omega Social Hierarchy:
-Alpha: Head of the pack, tends to get everything first, also tends to have a lazy streak
-Beta: 2nd in command, has closer connection to pack due to usually acting as hunters/defenders, comes 2nd when getting food, is actually very friendly with alphas and vice versa
-Omegas/Gammas: last in pecking order, last to get food, unlikely to mate despite being the largest population bar none, totally submissive and used as communal scapegoat

However, as stated before, this has been debunked by modern biologists and even the person who came up with the order, as animal populations are far to complex to put into groups such as the one above.

Ok... So are you still saying social rankings don't exist and were debunked by science people?