The best that men can get..

[Confederate States of German America]

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MRAs can't meme

Who hurt you, sweetie?

[Liriena]

We've been through this study before: the researchers clearly state that, yes, heterosexual women tend to prefer benevolent partners and there's an argument to be made that they have that preference because it signals a willingness to commit... buuuuuut the research also shows that the women sampled are nevertheless aware of the fact that this 'benevolent sexism' also impacts them negatively (which the researchers do not dispute). Seems less an issue of "hey, actually, women like sexism in and of itself" and more of an issue of "hey, people like feeling like they are cared about and for, and 'benevolent sexism' is a long-standing, highly imperfect, socially and culturally constructed shortcut to get some of that".

Then what's the problem?

That even if it has its upsides, it's still ultimately harmful and its underlying rationality is questionable?

[Arlenton]

I have yet to see women attracted to non-masculine men, too.

Someone doesn't follow the K-pop fandoms. Lots of gals who love pretty twinks in make up in there.

Like I said, I see it on TV and when applied to famous people.

IRL though? Not so much.

[Liriena]

MRAs can't meme

Who hurt you, sweetie?

Society... and Chad... and Veronica... and Bethesda... but specially that slut Veronica

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[Arlenton]

Then what's the problem?

That even if it has its upsides, it's still ultimately harmful and its underlying rationality is questionable?

What's harmful?

[Liriena]

That even if it has its upsides, it's still ultimately harmful and its underlying rationality is questionable?

What's harmful?

"Benevolent sexism"

[Galloism]

What's harmful?

"Benevolent sexism"

It definitely is. It's harmful to men - benevolent sexism in regards to women is the same as hostile sexism in regards to men, because you don't treat men in as decently a fashion as you would treat women.

Also, curse the last post of the page:

We've been through this study before: the researchers clearly state that, yes, heterosexual women tend to prefer benevolent partners and there's an argument to be made that they have that preference because it signals a willingness to commit... buuuuuut the research also shows that the women sampled are nevertheless aware of the fact that this 'benevolent sexism' also impacts them negatively (which the researchers do not dispute). Seems less an issue of "hey, actually, women like sexism in and of itself" and more of an issue of "hey, people like feeling like they are cared about and for, and 'benevolent sexism' is a long-standing, highly imperfect, socially and culturally constructed shortcut to get some of that".

I mean, the thing is they're going in eyes wide open:

They know these men are sexist. They know there are men who aren't sexist.

They choose the sexist ones because they're making a trade. They want the benefits of sexism more than they dislike the downsides. This does also indicate women are the primary beneficiaries of gender roles, which then also would serve to explain the motive to be primary enforcers of same.

[The Black Party]

What's harmful?

"Benevolent sexism"

Sounds like a solid deal actually

[Confederate States of German America]

Who hurt you, sweetie?

Society... and Chad... and Veronica... and Bethesda... but specially that slut Veronica

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Ironically I knew a Veronica like that, she got pissed because I liked Xxxtentacion lol.

[Arlenton]

We've been through this study before: the researchers clearly state that, yes, heterosexual women tend to prefer benevolent partners and there's an argument to be made that they have that preference because it signals a willingness to commit... buuuuuut the research also shows that the women sampled are nevertheless aware of the fact that this 'benevolent sexism' also impacts them negatively (which the researchers do not dispute). Seems less an issue of "hey, actually, women like sexism in and of itself" and more of an issue of "hey, people like feeling like they are cared about and for, and 'benevolent sexism' is a long-standing, highly imperfect, socially and culturally constructed shortcut to get some of that".

I mean, the thing is they're going in eyes wide open:

They know these men are sexist. They know there are men who aren't sexist.

They choose the sexist ones because they're making a trade. They want the benefits of sexism more than they dislike the downsides. This does also indicate women are the primary beneficiaries of gender roles, which then also would serve to explain the motive to be primary enforcers of same.

Keeping the fact that women prefer sexist men in mind, why exactly would anyone want to be less sexist? How does that make them, as the ad claims, "better"?

[Arlenton]

What's harmful?

"Benevolent sexism"

What about it is bad?

[Liriena]

Someone doesn't follow the K-pop fandoms. Lots of gals who love pretty twinks in make up in there.

Like I said, I see it on TV and when applied to famous people.

IRL though? Not so much.

I'd argue that, IRL, most cishet people are still stuck in fairly conventional/traditional gender performativity and expectations and shit, at least until the social and cultural inertia of us filthy degenerates finally catches up.

[Galloism]

I mean, the thing is they're going in eyes wide open:

They know these men are sexist. They know there are men who aren't sexist.

They choose the sexist ones because they're making a trade. They want the benefits of sexism more than they dislike the downsides. This does also indicate women are the primary beneficiaries of gender roles, which then also would serve to explain the motive to be primary enforcers of same.

Keeping the fact that women prefer sexist men in mind, why exactly would anyone want to be less sexist? How does that make them, as the ad claims, "better"?

I mean, there is something to be said for ethical rightness.

[Arlenton]

Keeping the fact that women prefer sexist men in mind, why exactly would anyone want to be less sexist? How does that make them, as the ad claims, "better"?

I mean, there is something to be said for ethical rightness.

Still doesn't seem ethical or right IMO. Just seems stupid.

[Arlenton]

Like I said, I see it on TV and when applied to famous people.

IRL though? Not so much.

I'd argue that, IRL, most cishet people are still stuck in fairly conventional/traditional gender performativity and expectations and shit, at least until the social and cultural inertia of us filthy degenerates finally catches up.

Ok, and so why be "better"?

[Liriena]

"Benevolent sexism"

What about it is bad?

As explained by Gallo's source and the research itself, that "benevolent sexism" tends to go hand in hand with condescending and undermining attitudes towards women which they do not, in fact, enjoy.

[Galloism]

I mean, there is something to be said for ethical rightness.

Still doesn't seem ethical or right IMO. Just seems stupid.

To be for equality based on gender?

[Liriena]

I'd argue that, IRL, most cishet people are still stuck in fairly conventional/traditional gender performativity and expectations and shit, at least until the social and cultural inertia of us filthy degenerates finally catches up.

Ok, and so why be "better"?

Because a lot of people aren't happy under the current status quo and said status quo is illogical and pointlessly repressive?

[Liriena]

Still doesn't seem ethical or right IMO. Just seems stupid.

To be for equality based on gender?

Arlenton did just (apparently) unironically cite the whole "alpha male" and "beta male" stuff so...

[Arlenton]

What about it is bad?

As explained by Gallo's source and the research itself, that "benevolent sexism" tends to go hand in hand with condescending and undermining attitudes towards women which they do not, in fact, enjoy.

They seem to enjoy it more than the alternative though. According to both the source and anecdotally.

[Arlenton]

Ok, and so why be "better"?

Because a lot of people aren't happy under the current status quo and said status quo is illogical and pointlessly repressive?

I'm happy under it. As are plenty of people.

[Galloism]

To be for equality based on gender?

Arlenton did just (apparently) unironically cite the whole "alpha male" and "beta male" stuff so...

Sorry, I forgot the context surrounding that question.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

To be for equality based on gender?

Arlenton did just (apparently) unironically cite the whole "alpha male" and "beta male" stuff so...

What the fuck constitute either, anyways?

[Liriena]

As explained by Gallo's source and the research itself, that "benevolent sexism" tends to go hand in hand with condescending and undermining attitudes towards women which they do not, in fact, enjoy.

They seem to enjoy it more than the alternative though. According to both the source and anecdotally.

That doesn't mean it should be the one and only, unchanging, eternally valid way of doing things.

In an unjust world, we always make these trade offs to survive as comfortably as we can for as little effort and risk as possible, but that doesn't change the fact that the actual, broader state of affairs is unjust and hurtful.

I haven't come out of the closet to a lot of people, even though I believe, as a matter of principle and as a way to be my best self, that I must, because right now not saying anything is the most immediately comfortable alternative. That doesn't change the fact that, as comfortable as it is, it's still a flawed status quo that causes me harm.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Like I said, I see it on TV and when applied to famous people.

IRL though? Not so much.

I'd argue that, IRL, most cishet people are still stuck in fairly conventional/traditional gender performativity and expectations and shit, at least until the social and cultural inertia of us filthy degenerates finally catches up.

God help us when it does.