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I think..

..companies should stay out of society
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31%
..companies have a role to play in society
55
19%
..David Hasselhoff is the best a man can get
47
16%
..this poll almost demanded that Hasselhoff option
18
6%
..did you just post this for that option
15
5%
..seriously?
28
10%
..let us move from #metoo to #meclick
13
4%
..#meclick polls
25
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Total votes : 291

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Postby Braunschweig » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:20 am

Vassenor wrote:I seriously don't get why people get such extreme cases of the vapours over being asked to act like a decent freaking person.


A lot of people don't like or trust corporations and probably don't like (perhaps feeling like they are) being talked down to by said corps.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:22 am

Vassenor wrote:I seriously don't get why people get such extreme cases of the vapours over being asked to act like a decent freaking person.


Because if you tell someone who hasn't done anything wrong to behave like a decent freaking person solely because of their sex, gender, race, or other defining characteristic you're engaging in just a wee bit of fuckery.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:23 am

-Ocelot- wrote:
Bulgar Rouge wrote:Is there an equivalent ad for women? If not, then there's your problem.



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What if it was just an ad for black people? Like specifically telling black people to be better.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:24 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I seriously don't get why people get such extreme cases of the vapours over being asked to act like a decent freaking person.


Because if you tell someone who hasn't done anything wrong to behave like a decent freaking person solely because of their sex, gender, race, or other defining characteristic you're engaging in just a wee bit of fuckery.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:49 am

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Galloism wrote:Btw, from their website:



Oooh, 3 million bucks. What is that, a couple hours profit?

Annual sales of $6.6 billion. 6.6 billion divided by 365, divided by 24, is $753,424 per hour. They should take a page out of Paul Newman's book and give their after tax profits to NPOs.

So 4 hours of revenue (which is not the same as profit).

More than I thought.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:52 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Because if you tell someone who hasn't done anything wrong to behave like a decent freaking person solely because of their sex, gender, race, or other defining characteristic you're engaging in just a wee bit of fuckery.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:56 am

next comes a video asking for men to stop "manspreading" :behehe:
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:20 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:
United Universal Union wrote:I personally have not seen any issue with the video, "Men should hold men accountable" is a good message, I mean, what do people want, women to held men accountable for shitty thing some do?
Honestly the backlash this video has been getting is just silly, they have completely missed the point of the video.


You don't see the issue with this video. There are dozens of flavors of asshole who will see a problem with this video. Pick-up-artists, bullies, people who consider women their properly, rapists, delusional american conservatives with a persecution complex.... the list goes on. Besides, how are these poor oppressed guys going to take advantage of women if said women are more careful and more willing to speak up against harassment? Such anti-harassment messages make their job harder.


You actually think that this video is going to make it harder for a pick up artist to pick up women? "I was going to pick you up, but then I saw this amazing Gillette video..." - seriously? Yes, clearly, pick up artists are crying at the very sight of this video, calling their mommy /sarcasm


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Vassenor wrote:I seriously don't get why people get such extreme cases of the vapours over being asked to act like a decent freaking person.
Probably something to do with child labourer and slavery peddlers trying to lecture people on how to be "decent freaking person(s)." Eliminating or reducing Bullying and Harassment are all very credible goals, but they need to get their own house in order before pontificating to other people...the vast majority of which already know Bullying and Harassment are bad without being patronised by a Shaving Ad.

This is just a case of yet another business with questionable morals pretending to be woke, and convincing the gullible to applaud it.


"Remember everyone, you may treat women like property, but only if you're in Africa; in America, it's bad to stare at their butts, because we're socially responsible!"


Vassenor wrote:
Asherahan wrote:I don't get what the discussion is about...


A company that makes razors suggested that men should act like decent human beings. And suddenly everyone got triggered.


I'm seeing NSGers having a discussion, rather than a bunch of triggered posts. Why do you want to shut down the discussion, Vass?


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Vassenor wrote:
A company that makes razors suggested that men should act like decent human beings. And suddenly everyone got triggered.


Yes but how will poor oppressed guys harass women or bully other men and get away with it if they speak up? Think of the poor rapists who are being targeted in this clearly sexist ad. /s


I didn't see a single rapist targeted by this ad. Does this ad have a bonus feature that only certain liberal minded folks can see? I agree rape is wrong, always, and I supported Judge Persky's impeachment. I don't see how this ad actually targets rapists.


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Australian rePublic wrote:A company who's trying to turn a profit. How very strange indeed


Capitalism is survival of the profittest.


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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Asherahan wrote:I don't get what the discussion is about...


A company that makes razors suggested that men should act like decent human beings. And suddenly everyone got triggered.

I can't wait for a company that makes vitamin E supplements to suggest that black people should act like decent human beings. I'm sure you'll be in an absolute rush to defend them.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:34 pm

Shofercia wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:
You don't see the issue with this video. There are dozens of flavors of asshole who will see a problem with this video. Pick-up-artists, bullies, people who consider women their properly, rapists, delusional american conservatives with a persecution complex.... the list goes on. Besides, how are these poor oppressed guys going to take advantage of women if said women are more careful and more willing to speak up against harassment? Such anti-harassment messages make their job harder.


You actually think that this video is going to make it harder for a pick up artist to pick up women? "I was going to pick you up, but then I saw this amazing Gillette video..." - seriously? Yes, clearly, pick up artists are crying at the very sight of this video, calling their mommy /sarcasm


Hirota wrote:Probably something to do with child labourer and slavery peddlers trying to lecture people on how to be "decent freaking person(s)." Eliminating or reducing Bullying and Harassment are all very credible goals, but they need to get their own house in order before pontificating to other people...the vast majority of which already know Bullying and Harassment are bad without being patronised by a Shaving Ad.

This is just a case of yet another business with questionable morals pretending to be woke, and convincing the gullible to applaud it.


"Remember everyone, you may treat women like property, but only if you're in Africa; in America, it's bad to stare at their butts, because we're socially responsible!"


Vassenor wrote:
A company that makes razors suggested that men should act like decent human beings. And suddenly everyone got triggered.


I'm seeing NSGers having a discussion, rather than a bunch of triggered posts. Why do you want to shut down the discussion, Vass?


-Ocelot- wrote:
Yes but how will poor oppressed guys harass women or bully other men and get away with it if they speak up? Think of the poor rapists who are being targeted in this clearly sexist ad. /s


I didn't see a single rapist targeted by this ad. Does this ad have a bonus feature that only certain liberal minded folks can see? I agree rape is wrong, always, and I supported Judge Persky's impeachment. I don't see how this ad actually targets rapists.


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And what exactly is so bad about pick up artists? I thought we were living in a libertine age of sexuality where women are free to sleep with whomever they choose to? If women fuck guys who could be described as "pick up artists", where's the problem? Have they weaponized their suaveness to the point that it interferes with women's ability to choose or something? It seems bizarre to think about those cats in the same context as "bullies" and rapists.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:35 pm

Galloism wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
A company that makes razors suggested that men should act like decent human beings. And suddenly everyone got triggered.

I can't wait for a company that makes vitamin E supplements to suggest that black people should act like decent human beings. I'm sure you'll be in an absolute rush to defend them.

But that wouldn't sufficiently virtue signal to the broader demographic. I imagine the white supremacist demo is pretty small.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:36 pm

Nothing too bad, overall the video was retarded (especially the inclusion of the Sarkesian hag) but otherwise quite mild. Some nonsensical things like stopping kids playfighting because TOXIC MASCULINITY coupled with good and inspirational speeches from Terry Crews.

But mostly a failure. No idea why they decided to put that crap out. Gave it a well deserved dislike.
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:41 pm

Considering it's trending pretty much everywhere, I wouldn't call it a failure.
Even if you disagree with the ad, from a publicity standpoint, they struck absolute gold.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:45 pm

Juristonia wrote:Considering it's trending pretty much everywhere, I wouldn't call it a failure.
Even if you disagree with the ad, from a publicity standpoint, they struck absolute gold.


Yeah United Airlines struck publicity gold
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:48 pm

Juristonia wrote:Considering it's trending pretty much everywhere, I wouldn't call it a failure.
Even if you disagree with the ad, from a publicity standpoint, they struck absolute gold.

Maybe. It's a lie that all publicity is good publicity. Sometimes you just make yourself look like a shameless panderer who's delivering unwanted advice to people who want to buy shit. I don't actually see this being great for the brand.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:50 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Juristonia wrote:Considering it's trending pretty much everywhere, I wouldn't call it a failure.
Even if you disagree with the ad, from a publicity standpoint, they struck absolute gold.

Maybe. It's a lie that all publicity is good publicity. Sometimes you just make yourself look like a shameless panderer who's delivering unwanted advice to people who want to buy shit. I don't actually see this being great for the brand.


Considering that Gillette's target consumer base are men, this has a chance of hitting them in the nutsacks.

The message is a good one, but considering we're being forcefed said message daily by bazillions of different sources, it gets fucking annoying.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:51 pm

Vassenor wrote:I seriously don't get why people get such extreme cases of the vapours over being asked to act like a decent freaking person.

Maybe because people who have never done anything wrong or aren't sexist/racist assholes don't like being told to stop doing shit wrong or stop being racist/sexist. Or maybe because the specific add targets mostly white guys, and if you replaced it with any other race there'd be an even bigger shitstorm. Or maybe because large companies which are infamous for doing illegal and sexist/racist shit aren't really the ones who should be asking or telling regular people to act like decent freaking people.

Gee, I can name a few reasons...
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:00 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Maybe. It's a lie that all publicity is good publicity. Sometimes you just make yourself look like a shameless panderer who's delivering unwanted advice to people who want to buy shit. I don't actually see this being great for the brand.


Considering that Gillette's target consumer base are men, this has a chance of hitting them in the nutsacks.

The message is a good one, but considering we're being forcefed said message daily by bazillions of different sources, it gets fucking annoying.

Yes. Surprisingly, men don't necessarily like being lectured to when they haven't done a thing wrong, especially when that lecturing places responsibility on them to stop things that other people are doing. I do not have some special responsibility to police the behavior of other men by virtue of the fact that we all have cocks. It's doubly annoying because it is coming from a business that specializes in making sharp things, things related to sharp things, and....pretty much nothing else.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:03 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Considering that Gillette's target consumer base are men, this has a chance of hitting them in the nutsacks.

The message is a good one, but considering we're being forcefed said message daily by bazillions of different sources, it gets fucking annoying.

Yes. Surprisingly, men don't necessarily like being lectured to when they haven't done a thing wrong, especially when that lecturing places responsibility on them to stop things that other people are doing. I do not have some special responsibility to police the behavior of other men by virtue of the fact that we all have cocks. It's doubly annoying because it is coming from a business that specializes in making sharp things and....pretty much nothing else.

They also make foam.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:23 pm

Galloism wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Yes. Surprisingly, men don't necessarily like being lectured to when they haven't done a thing wrong, especially when that lecturing places responsibility on them to stop things that other people are doing. I do not have some special responsibility to police the behavior of other men by virtue of the fact that we all have cocks. It's doubly annoying because it is coming from a business that specializes in making sharp things and....pretty much nothing else.

They also make foam.

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Postby The Black Party » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:25 pm

New haven america wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I seriously don't get why people get such extreme cases of the vapours over being asked to act like a decent freaking person.

Maybe because people who have never done anything wrong or aren't sexist/racist assholes don't like being told to stop doing shit wrong or stop being racist/sexist. Or maybe because the specific add targets mostly white guys, and if you replaced it with any other race there'd be an even bigger shitstorm. Or maybe because large companies which are infamous for doing illegal and sexist/racist shit aren't really the ones who should be asking or telling regular people to act like decent freaking people.

Gee, I can name a few reasons...

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:49 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Considering that Gillette's target consumer base are men, this has a chance of hitting them in the nutsacks.

The message is a good one, but considering we're being forcefed said message daily by bazillions of different sources, it gets fucking annoying.

Yes. Surprisingly, men don't necessarily like being lectured to when they haven't done a thing wrong, especially when that lecturing places responsibility on them to stop things that other people are doing. I do not have some special responsibility to police the behavior of other men by virtue of the fact that we all have cocks. It's doubly annoying because it is coming from a business that specializes in making sharp things, things related to sharp things, and....pretty much nothing else.

Proctor & Gamble, the parent company of Gillette, make approximately everything.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:52 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Yes. Surprisingly, men don't necessarily like being lectured to when they haven't done a thing wrong, especially when that lecturing places responsibility on them to stop things that other people are doing. I do not have some special responsibility to police the behavior of other men by virtue of the fact that we all have cocks. It's doubly annoying because it is coming from a business that specializes in making sharp things, things related to sharp things, and....pretty much nothing else.

Proctor & Gamble, the parent company of Gillette, make approximately everything.

But not under the Gillet brand, which is the point.

Pedantry fail.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:30 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I eagerly await their ladies' razors department releasing a video about how women can do better and the perils of a hypocritical toxic femininity. How it's wrong to constantly belittle men - both as colleagues and partners - as useless, incompetent perverts, laughing this off as harmless banter while seething at the most minor perceived stereotypical slight towards women. How it's wrong to simultaneously advocate for equality and "benevolent sexism" in which men should pay for food, drink and regular gifts for them and they should enjoy preferential treatment by the legal system in the case of relationship breakdown or criminal behaviour. How they don't have the right to grope men's bodies without their permission any more than men do theirs.

This forthcoming video will be very unpopular with powerful and well-organised lobby groups and make the current storm look like a light drizzle, so I understand why it's being released a little later than the one for men. I'm sure they're working very hard on it right now to get it juuuuust right.

I remain ever-confident that our private enterprises are genuinely committed to social equality and definitely not attention-grabbing wokewashing. They'll surely take the right decision and run a second ad of this type soon, just before abandoning any and all exploitative working arrangements abroad, transferring an equal share of ownership of their business to their workers, and redistributing their historic profits.


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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Yes. Surprisingly, men don't necessarily like being lectured to when they haven't done a thing wrong, especially when that lecturing places responsibility on them to stop things that other people are doing. I do not have some special responsibility to police the behavior of other men by virtue of the fact that we all have cocks. It's doubly annoying because it is coming from a business that specializes in making sharp things, things related to sharp things, and....pretty much nothing else.

Proctor & Gamble, the parent company of Gillette, make approximately everything.


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