The best that men can get..

[Hollibourn]

Heesh, commercials and ads are trying to teach us not to disrespec wamen as if we weren't taught that by our parents and first grade teachers. I find this ad pathetic.

[The Lone Alliance]

Stupid, but pointless in the end.

Nothing too bad, overall the video was retarded (especially the inclusion of the Sarkesian hag) but otherwise quite mild. Some nonsensical things like stopping kids playfighting because TOXIC MASCULINITY coupled with good and inspirational speeches from Terry Crews.

But mostly a failure. No idea why they decided to put that crap out. Gave it a well deserved dislike.

Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.

No it was apparently Ana Kasparian from "The Young Armenian Genociders".

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Stupid, but pointless in the end.

Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.

No it was apparently Ana Kasparian from "The Young Armenian Genociders".

You mean The Young Turks, right?

[Gravlen]

Gallo apparently thinks so.

I'd say directors have a strong influence over the final production.

And what makes her a "radical" feminist? It doesn't seem to take much to earn that moniker from you...

[Nolo gap]

all gender based behaviors are lame excuses for thoughtlessness. long overdue to get over the concept, get past it, leave it behind.

[Knask]

Stupid, but pointless in the end.

Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.

No it was apparently Ana Kasparian from "The Young Armenian Genociders".

Women with opinons, who can tell them apart, eh?

[Costa Fierro]

I'd say directors have a strong influence over the final production.

And what makes her a "radical" feminist? It doesn't seem to take much to earn that moniker from you...

The radical is mainstream now.

[Skarten]

Stupid, but pointless in the end.


No it was apparently Ana Kasparian from "The Young Armenian Genociders".

You mean The Young Turks, right?

I think he meant the Young Greek Genociders.

[Galloism]

I'd say directors have a strong influence over the final production.

And what makes her a "radical" feminist? It doesn't seem to take much to earn that moniker from you...

Um, that's how it was reported on the sites that came up when I googled her?

I mean, they could be wrong of course. I don't know her personally.

[The Blaatschapen]

The commercials message wasn't "White men bad", it was that the company itself and men need to be better. The problem is is that it fucked it up in dozens of different ways, and one of those ways was painting white men as the main predators/perpetrators of societal woes, especially those against women.

I've already gone over the other ways it's fucked up (No women showing agency or treated as anything more than objects or damsels in distress, no minority women were shown except for a child, Gillette still praciticing terrible shit like animal testing and near slave labor in developing nations but making no mention of those behaviors, etc...)

...They test razors on fucking animals?

If only.

I have to pay for my razors

[Liriena]

And what makes her a "radical" feminist? It doesn't seem to take much to earn that moniker from you...

The radical is mainstream now.

That feels rather oxymoronic... unless I'm out of sync with where radfems are at today, and radfems and anti-capitalism no longer go hand in hand.

[Ostroeuropa]

The radical is mainstream now.

That feels rather oxymoronic... unless I'm out of sync with where radfems are at today, and radfems and anti-capitalism no longer go hand in hand.

Radical feminist doesn't mean extremist. It means you believe in patriarchy theory.

[West Leas Oros 2]

The radical is mainstream now.

That feels rather oxymoronic... unless I'm out of sync with where radfems are at today, and radfems and anti-capitalism no longer go hand in hand.

When did radfems and anti-capitalism align to begin with?

[Ostroeuropa]

That feels rather oxymoronic... unless I'm out of sync with where radfems are at today, and radfems and anti-capitalism no longer go hand in hand.

When did radfems and anti-capitalism align to begin with?

Many radfems buy into engels' theory on family with the notion that matriarchal clans collapsed in order to ensure bloodlines and inheritance of property, and fetishize matriarchal societies as superior while ignoring that in those societies men are often treated very badly and have no stability in the community because at any time they might be exiled if they so much as annoy a woman. It is noteworthy that matriarchies tend to function through social vilification, ostracization, and exclusion of males when discussing feminism.

[West Leas Oros 2]

When did radfems and anti-capitalism align to begin with?

Many radfems buy into engels' theory on family and fetishize matriarchal societies as superior while ignoring that in those societies men are often treated very badly.

I assumed they were appropriating the ideas of conflict theory and applying the class struggle to “patriarchy”.

[Ostroeuropa]

Many radfems buy into engels' theory on family and fetishize matriarchal societies as superior while ignoring that in those societies men are often treated very badly.

I assumed they were appropriating the ideas of conflict theory and applying the class struggle to “patriarchy”.

They do that too, but it's more about the (unproven) assertion Engels made about why the family is the way it is because of his economic determinism. (Much like the feminist, the marxist is someone who has already decided their conclusion and makes shit up to explain how everything they see is merely more proof.).

In Engels case, he said the reason patriarchy exists is society used to be matriarchal, then property happened, and in order to concentrate property we needed lines of descent, which you can't really do if you don't know who the father is. (Thereby asserting that literally everything is down to economic determinism. Humans only do things for economic reasons never any others. Literally all human behavior is due to class struggle. This delusional nonsense gets more hysterical because Marx came up with "False-consciousness" to explain away anything he couldn't rationalize as directly related to class struggle, I.E, the reason it exists is to distract from class struggle.).

Marxist-Radfems are common as a result. They are similar modes of thought when you get down to it.

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That feels rather oxymoronic... unless I'm out of sync with where radfems are at today, and radfems and anti-capitalism no longer go hand in hand.

When did radfems and anti-capitalism align to begin with?

For quite a long time. Consider Emma Goldman, who saw women's liberation and the end of capitalism and the state to be mutually dependent.

It is only in more recent times that some feminists have diverged from anti-capitalism, the ones who decided that the patriarchy was a bigger problem than the class war. But there are also feminists today who understand that women's liberation means proletariat women's liberation who don't concern themselves with how fewer millions women CEO's make than men.

[Vassenor]

When did radfems and anti-capitalism align to begin with?

Many radfems buy into engels' theory on family with the notion that matriarchal clans collapsed in order to ensure bloodlines and inheritance of property, and fetishize matriarchal societies as superior while ignoring that in those societies men are often treated very badly and have no stability in the community because at any time they might be exiled if they so much as annoy a woman. It is noteworthy that matriarchies tend to function through social vilification, ostracization, and exclusion of males when discussing feminism.

Oh cool, let's see sources for those claims.

[Ostroeuropa]

When did radfems and anti-capitalism align to begin with?

For quite a long time. Consider Emma Goldman, who saw women's liberation and the end of capitalism and the state to be mutually dependent.

It is only in more recent times that some feminists have diverged from anti-capitalism, the ones who decided that the patriarchy was a bigger problem than the class war. But there are also feminists today who understand that women's liberation means proletariat women's liberation who don't concern themselves with how fewer millions women CEO's make than men.

I think the fact feminism has become markedly less anti-capitalist is perhaps the biggest and most glaring indicator that women are not oppressed there is. They are now sufficiently invested in maintaining the capitalist system that the most noteworthy strain of their rights movement is pro-capitalist.

[Galloism]

Schick decided to jump in on the controversy to promote their razors, taking a slightly different tack.

Lord, I hate capitalism sometimes. None of these fuckers have any room to say anything about the issues. They're just trying to sell razors. I fucking know when I'm being played, dammit.

[Liriena]

For quite a long time. Consider Emma Goldman, who saw women's liberation and the end of capitalism and the state to be mutually dependent.

It is only in more recent times that some feminists have diverged from anti-capitalism, the ones who decided that the patriarchy was a bigger problem than the class war. But there are also feminists today who understand that women's liberation means proletariat women's liberation who don't concern themselves with how fewer millions women CEO's make than men.

I think the fact feminism has become markedly less anti-capitalist is perhaps the biggest and most glaring indicator that women are not oppressed there is.

That's like saying that the fact that Colin Kaepernick got to do a thing with Nike means black Americans don't face discrimination, or that the existence of capitalist-friendly LGBT+ rights groups means LGBT+ people are not oppressed. The hegemony assimilating its own resistance is nothing new and it doesn't inherently mean that the oppression that created that resistance is gone or never existed in the first place.

[Ostroeuropa]

Many radfems buy into engels' theory on family with the notion that matriarchal clans collapsed in order to ensure bloodlines and inheritance of property, and fetishize matriarchal societies as superior while ignoring that in those societies men are often treated very badly and have no stability in the community because at any time they might be exiled if they so much as annoy a woman. It is noteworthy that matriarchies tend to function through social vilification, ostracization, and exclusion of males when discussing feminism.

Oh cool, let's see sources for those claims.

Okay.
Engels - The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.

Feminist matriarchy fetishizing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarch ... st_thought

(Note all the waffling about how matriarchy is different and not bad and harmonious with nature. Zero self-awareness. No wonder this movement only recently cottoned on to misandry.).

For radical feminists, the importance of matriarchy is that "veneration for the female principle ... somewhat lightens an oppressive system."

As for matriarchies and how they actually operate, Idk what to tell you and you'll just scoff at it, but...

Literally any A-level sociology textbook mate. With special reference to ones where polyandry is the norm.

[Liriena]

Schick decided to jump in on the controversy to promote their razors, taking a slightly different tack.

Lord, I hate capitalism sometimes. None of these fuckers have any room to say anything about the issues. They're just trying to sell razors. I fucking know when I'm being played, dammit.

That ZU-nA is handsome. Sucks I'm not a huge fan of beatboxing.

Also, that's a very neat approach too... even if, yeah, it's still an ad campaign for some razor company.

[Proctopeo]

Schick decided to jump in on the controversy to promote their razors, taking a slightly different tack.

Lord, I hate capitalism sometimes. None of these fuckers have any room to say anything about the issues. They're just trying to sell razors. I fucking know when I'm being played, dammit.

Better than Gillette's.

[Galloism]

Schick decided to jump in on the controversy to promote their razors, taking a slightly different tack.

Lord, I hate capitalism sometimes. None of these fuckers have any room to say anything about the issues. They're just trying to sell razors. I fucking know when I'm being played, dammit.

Better than Gillette's.

Yes. It is.

But it's like when someone talks about all the good work you do, and you realize they're just trying to butter up your boss because they want something. Don't piss all over the room and tell me it rained. I know what you want.