The best that men can get..

[New haven america]

You mean besides hiring a feminist company with a radical feminist director to shoot the ad? Those dots?

Yeah, so radical with extreme ideas like "we shouldn't hold women to unrealistic body standards" and "parents shouldn't bully their sons".

Did, did you actually watch the commercial?

[Torrocca]

1. Except, still, SJW doesn't have any solid definition to it, unlike Nazi or Tankie.

2.It's pretty much literally a bullshit term used to attack anyone who dares talk about something related to social issues in the most uncritical manner possible, and even when it's used "correctly,"3. it doesn't make much fucking sense because how the fuck can anyone suggest that stupid shit like "getting revenge" against men or whites or whatever group is a case of social justice?

1. … Have I just been typing to air for the past 10 min. or so?

I've never seen the term used in a context that'd suggest a standard definition; it pretty much almost always ends up aimed at whoever and whatever.

2. Same thing can be said for all political nicknames, what your point?

No real point except for what the term is ever actually used for.

3. Pretty easily actually, "SJWs" do it all the time.

And how could it possibly be considered social justice? And how would that justify these people advocating these views as being painted as supporters of social justice?

[Wallenburg]

Yeah, so radical with extreme ideas like "we shouldn't hold women to unrealistic body standards" and "parents shouldn't bully their sons".

Did, did you actually watch the commercial?

I am referencing other commercials by the same director.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Did, did you actually watch the commercial?

I am referencing other commercials by the same director.

Because commercials always align 100% with every belief that the director holds.

[Torrocca]

Oh, come now. Let's not pretend that SJW isn't basically used as a catch-all (primarily by the right) to paint anyone speaking in favor of fixing social issues in a bad light by equating them to extremists that're advocating for patently insane things like revenge against men or whatever that doesn't have anything to do with social justice.

Ok ok, take a breather, calm down.

Calm? Ok. SJW may be used by the right as a pejorative toward people like Social Activists (You know, people who actually want to fix social issues), however, there are actually people out there who fully embrace the term Social Justice Warriors and believe they fight for things like cultural stagnation and racial/sexual revenge. Just like how there are people out there who believe in white/male supremacy and Western expansionism.

Okay, sure.

But does that justify referring to them as social justice "warriors" when they're decidedly not advocating for social justice?

[West Leas Oros 2]

Ok ok, take a breather, calm down.

Calm? Ok. SJW may be used by the right as a pejorative toward people like Social Activists (You know, people who actually want to fix social issues), however, there are actually people out there who fully embrace the term Social Justice Warriors and believe they fight for things like cultural stagnation and racial/sexual revenge. Just like how there are people out there who believe in white/male supremacy and Western expansionism.

Okay, sure.

But does that justify referring to them as social justice "warriors" when they're decidedly not advocating for social justice?

What else would we call them? “Basically Nazis but White Men instead of Jews” doesn’t sound right.

[Galloism]

You mean besides hiring a feminist company with a radical feminist director to shoot the ad? Those dots?

Yeah, so radical with extreme ideas like "we shouldn't hold women to unrealistic body standards" and "parents shouldn't bully their sons".

Well I was talking about the people who made the video, not the video. Daily fail reported.

That being said, did you even watch the video? Because it doesn't sound like you watched the video.

[Ifreann]

I am referencing other commercials by the same director.

Because commercials always align 100% with every belief that the director holds.

What's that you say? Film making is inherently a group endeavour? But...but my auteur theory!

[Galloism]

Okay, sure.

But does that justify referring to them as social justice "warriors" when they're decidedly not advocating for social justice?

What else would we call them? “Basically Nazis but White Men instead of Jews” doesn’t sound right.

Gender Nazis?

[New haven america]

1. … Have I just been typing to air for the past 10 min. or so?

I've never seen the term used in a context that'd suggest a standard definition; it pretty much almost always ends up aimed at whoever and whatever.

2. Same thing can be said for all political nicknames, what your point?

No real point except for what the term is ever actually used for.

3. Pretty easily actually, "SJWs" do it all the time.

1. And how could it possibly be considered social justice? 2. And how would that justify these people advocating these views as being painted as supporters of social justice?

1. How can America's idea of justice exist considering all it does is disenfranchise people and make their lives infinitely harder? Well, it's not really justice, but over 200 million people believe it is and ridicule those who don't, claiming that they're too weak or un-American.
2. Because they want Justice (Strike that, revenge) for who both came before them and those who exist now who had/have to deal with social hardships like sexism, slavery, etc...

[Torrocca]

Okay, sure.

But does that justify referring to them as social justice "warriors" when they're decidedly not advocating for social justice?

What else would we call them? “Basically Nazis but White Men instead of Jews” doesn’t sound right.

I dunno... "racists," "sexists," or "assholes?" All three of those describe the mentality of "revenge against a specific group of people," much more accurately than the term, "social justice," does.

[Torrocca]

I've never seen the term used in a context that'd suggest a standard definition; it pretty much almost always ends up aimed at whoever and whatever.



No real point except for what the term is ever actually used for.



1. And how could it possibly be considered social justice? 2. And how would that justify these people advocating these views as being painted as supporters of social justice?

1. How can America's idea of justice exist considering all it does is disenfranchise people and make their lives infinitely harder? Well, it's not really justice, but over 200 million people believe it is and ridicule those who don't, claiming that they're too weak or un-American.

It certainly exists as something that's quite clearly not justice, that's for sure.

2. Because they want Justice (Strike that, revenge) for who both came before them and those who exist now who had/have to deal with social hardships like sexism, slavery, etc...

And yet that's not justice. That's literally akin to getting revenge against the Jews because they supposedly stabbed Germany in the back during World War One.

[New haven america]

Ok ok, take a breather, calm down.

Calm? Ok. SJW may be used by the right as a pejorative toward people like Social Activists (You know, people who actually want to fix social issues), however, there are actually people out there who fully embrace the term Social Justice Warriors and believe they fight for things like cultural stagnation and racial/sexual revenge. Just like how there are people out there who believe in white/male supremacy and Western expansionism.

Okay, sure.

But does that justify referring to them as social justice "warriors" when they're decidedly not advocating for social justice?

No, but it's kinda hard to give them a different name considering it's the name they've given themselves. They believe they are warriors for social justice, it just so happens that their ideas of social justice, are much more closer to social revenge.

[Wallenburg]

I am referencing other commercials by the same director.

Because commercials always align 100% with every belief that the director holds.

Gallo apparently thinks so.

[Torrocca]

Okay, sure.

But does that justify referring to them as social justice "warriors" when they're decidedly not advocating for social justice?

No, but it's kinda hard to give them a different name considering it's the name they've given themselves. They believe they are warriors for social justice, it just so happens that their ideas of social justice, are much more closer to social revenge.

Right. So maybe we shouldn't give them the limelight and support their asinine assertions that they're supporting social justice by referring to them as social justice warriors.

[New haven america]

What else would we call them? “Basically Nazis but White Men instead of Jews” doesn’t sound right.

I dunno... "racists," "sexists," or "assholes?" All three of those describe the mentality of "revenge against a specific group of people," much more accurately than the term, "social justice," does.

Most of them don't believe that minorities or women/trans people/agenders can be racist or sexist though.

They use the idea of institutional racism/sexism (Y'know, Power+Prejudice), and apply it too all racism and sexism (When in reality, racism and sexism only require Prejudice to exist).

[New haven america]

No, but it's kinda hard to give them a different name considering it's the name they've given themselves. They believe they are warriors for social justice, it just so happens that their ideas of social justice, are much more closer to social revenge.

Right. So maybe we shouldn't give them the limelight and support their asinine assertions that they're supporting social justice by referring to them as social justice warriors.

Which is why they're called SJWs, because they don't like being called SJWs.

It's like how the National Socialist German Worker's Party absolutely hated being called Nazis.

[Torrocca]

I dunno... "racists," "sexists," or "assholes?" All three of those describe the mentality of "revenge against a specific group of people," much more accurately than the term, "social justice," does.

Most of them don't believe that minorities or women/trans people/agenders can be racist or sexist though.

They use the idea of institutional racism/sexism (Y'know, Power+Prejudice), and apply it too all racism and sexism (When in reality, racism and sexism only require Prejudice to exist).

That doesn't mean they can't be called out for what they are i.e. racists and sexists when they're very literally going down a Hitlerite line of reasoning for exacting """revenge""" against specific groups of people.

[The South Falls]

Yea, one thing. Can we get back on topic? As I keep saying, I beleive the company is in the wrong here, but Gillette is generally a shitty company. Many of those here who keep saying that is the work of some unknown feminist agenda are jumping to conclusions and connecting dots that should remain separate.

You mean besides hiring a feminist company with a radical feminist director to shoot the ad? Those dots?

They shot the ad tho.

Did they make it? Nah bruh. They shot it.

[New haven america]

Most of them don't believe that minorities or women/trans people/agenders can be racist or sexist though.

They use the idea of institutional racism/sexism (Y'know, Power+Prejudice), and apply it too all racism and sexism (When in reality, racism and sexism only require Prejudice to exist).

That doesn't mean they can't be called out for what they are i.e. racists and sexists when they're very literally going down a Hitlerite line of reasoning for exacting """revenge""" against specific groups of people.

I know, I personally enjoy calling out their racism and sexism.

But as mentioned before, all they do is scream at me for mentioning that.

[Torrocca]

That doesn't mean they can't be called out for what they are i.e. racists and sexists when they're very literally going down a Hitlerite line of reasoning for exacting """revenge""" against specific groups of people.

I know, I personally enjoy calling out their racism and sexism.

But as mentioned before, all they do is scream at me for mentioning that.

Let them scream, then.

[Chernoslavia]

It’s against my religion to answer stupid questions. Watch the video or kick rocks.

Watched the video. Liked the message even if I hate the fact that it's, in fact, a Gillette ad. Didn't feel attacked.

Also, if you're going to keep verbally abusing me, just know that my safeword is "petunia".

The ad showed two boys rough housing at a barbecue party, and that it’s somehow damaging to children. It’s a stupid ad that panders to “muh toxic masculinity”.

[Galloism]

Because commercials always align 100% with every belief that the director holds.

Gallo apparently thinks so.

I'd say directors have a strong influence over the final production.

[Galloism]

You mean besides hiring a feminist company with a radical feminist director to shoot the ad? Those dots?

They shot the ad tho.

Did they make it? Nah bruh. They shot it.

It's in line with the other things they shot. I'm not going to reduce women's agency by assuming that something that matches their overall pattern and carries a similar overall message to what they always produce they, in fact, had no creative control over it at all, and only the men can make decisions.

This sort of minimizing of women's agency is both common and sexist.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Men's behaviour is a problem and they need to do better - WOKE

Strongly feminist directors may bring in some personal biases - WOAH THERE STOP OVERGENERALISING ❌