The best that men can get..

[Scomagia]

If you get your knickers in a twist over this, it reveals quite a lot.

Playing the victim is easy, innit.

You know, it reveals a ton about you that you'd try and limit the discourse with what is essentially a mass ad hominem. Very disingenuous.

[Vassenor]

I mean I don't quite get the problem with "we need to stop writing off problematic behaviour as 'boys will be boys'" as a message.

[Ifreann]

Nothing too bad, overall the video was retarded (especially the inclusion of the Sarkesian hag) but otherwise quite mild. Some nonsensical things like stopping kids playfighting because TOXIC MASCULINITY coupled with good and inspirational speeches from Terry Crews.

But mostly a failure. No idea why they decided to put that crap out. Gave it a well deserved dislike.

Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.

Loving that people are still mad at Anita Sarkeesian.

[Esternial]

Not sure where you got the idea that I support the video, I've spent most of the thread pointing out that it's transparent wokewashing(thanks, DI) by a corporation, a class of things which are evil.

If you don't report it as a human rights violation you might as well like it.

[Ostroeuropa]

I mean I don't quite get the problem with "we need to stop writing off problematic behaviour as 'boys will be boys'" as a message.

->

Suppose the media was wall to wall coverage of how black people need to get a grip and stop being criminal and how they need to get with the times and be more like this "Modern" black guy who conforms to white peoples expectations of what a black person should be like with attributes emphasized based on how useful that black person could be to white people.

What would you say about the people who shrugged and said "Well, criminality is a problem, I don't see why you're so angry.", even in the context of them being singled out for this treatment.

You'd say they were racists right?

Sure. You don't see the problem. Okay Vass.

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.

Loving that people are still mad at Anita Sarkeesian.

A famous chauvinistic bigot who was invited to the UN to argue her form of prejudice and hatred should be allowed to censor dissenting opinion on a global scale and was one of the main advocates for the climate of censorship we see today?

Yeah. No idea why people hate her.

[Des-Bal]

I don't remember walking on the Moon. Am I not a man?

I don't remember being every president but I keep being chastised for it.

[Esternial]

If you get your knickers in a twist over this, it reveals quite a lot.

Playing the victim is easy, innit.

You know, it reveals a ton about you that you'd try and limit the discourse with what is essentially a mass ad hominem. Very disingenuous.

Making wild comparisons is not discourse, it's just fishing for gotchas.

The video was shit, yes, but the response is over-exaggerated.

Also, odd to use an ad hominem to counter an ad hominem.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I mean I don't quite get the problem with "we need to stop writing off problematic behaviour as 'boys will be boys'" as a message.

Considering that we already get said message shoved down our throats by our families, schools, and the other ten thousand corporations that already do it (the latter of which have questionable intentions, clearly wanting to churn in a profit over the actual meaning of the message)...

I don't think Gillette needs to fucking jump in as well.

We get it, we gotta be good boys, but enough is bloody enough...

WE GET IT!

[Ifreann]

Loving that people are still mad at Anita Sarkeesian.

A famous chauvinistic bigot who was invited to the UN to argue her form of prejudice and hatred should be allowed to censor dissenting opinion on a global scale and was one of the main advocates for the climate of censorship we see today?

Yeah. No idea why people hate her.

Oh, that's easy. Because she thinks critically about video games instead of just yelling slurs having heated gaming moments.

[Ostroeuropa]

You know, it reveals a ton about you that you'd try and limit the discourse with what is essentially a mass ad hominem. Very disingenuous.

Making wild comparisons is not discourse, it's just fishing for gotchas.

The video was shit, yes, but the response is over-exaggerated.

The response is due to an increasing climate of misandry and feminist dogmatism being pushed. It's a reaction to incrementalism that we're well aware of by this point.

[Esternial]

I mean I don't quite get the problem with "we need to stop writing off problematic behaviour as 'boys will be boys'" as a message.

Considering that we already get said message shoved down our throats by our families, schools, and the other ten thousand corporations that already do it (the latter of which have questionable intentions, clearly wanting to churn in a profit over the actual meaning of the message)...

I don't think Gillette needs to fucking jump in as well.

We get it, we gotta be good boys, but enough is bloody enough...

WE GET IT!

Let's not ignore the biggest issue with the video was that it was just plain cringy.

[Des-Bal]

Making wild comparisons is not discourse, it's just fishing for gotchas.

The video was shit, yes, but the response is over-exaggerated.

Also, odd to use an ad hominem to counter an ad hominem.

Would that be wild comparisons like trying to turn "I don't like this and understand why people are upset" to "frothing at the mouth at anyone who doesn't think this is North Korea manifests?"

[Ifreann]

I don't remember walking on the Moon. Am I not a man?

I don't remember being every president but I keep being chastised for it.

You might consider getting new friends.

[Ostroeuropa]

A famous chauvinistic bigot who was invited to the UN to argue her form of prejudice and hatred should be allowed to censor dissenting opinion on a global scale and was one of the main advocates for the climate of censorship we see today?

Yeah. No idea why people hate her.

Oh, that's easy. Because she thinks critically about video games instead of just yelling slurs having heated gaming moments.

She doesn't think critically about games, She's a feminist. You aren't thinking critically if you're reading a scripture and reciting it verbatim.

[Fartsniffage]

I would just like to point out that I don't watch tv. If it hadn't been for people getting all hot and bothered by this advert then it's very likely I would never have known it existed.

[Shofercia]

Oh, wait, they included that annoying chick from gamergate, who pretends to be a gamer just to lecture men on gaming, and who made a video analyzing butts, while making a video saying that staring at butts is wrong? I'm fairly certain that isn't the best that a man can get.

Loving that people are still mad at Anita Sarkeesian.

Mad? Nope. I do find her to be rather annoying, so I simply avoid her, which requires no real effort. I didn't even notice she was in the video, until Trumptonium pointed that out. In terms of triggering individuals though, Trump takes the cake, and I find that hilarious. "You're so triggered?! Wait, have I told you what Trump did lately?" Or in your case, I think it'd be Nigel Farage, wouldn't it?

[West Phoenicia]

Wait....Did Gilette just assume a gender?

Boy's will be boys? Did they ask those two boys fighting what gender they want to be? Or just assumed?

People can be annoying, low life's, sexual harrased, bullies, domestic abusers of any gender. It's let's just make men responsible for all the evils in the world.

Hey hey mate don't check out that women's bum. While other ads call women oogling a half naked man empowerment to women.

[Esternial]

Making wild comparisons is not discourse, it's just fishing for gotchas.

The video was shit, yes, but the response is over-exaggerated.

The response is due to an increasing climate of misandry and feminist dogmatism being pushed. It's a reaction to incrementalism that we're well aware of by this point.

It's far too strong from my perspective, and I don't see it bringing a lot of advantages.

There's a lot of reactionary antagonism going on, which I don't see as very useful. If anything, it just reinforces the rising prevalence of misandry by "proving their point" that men are X, Y, Z.

Making wild comparisons is not discourse, it's just fishing for gotchas.

The video was shit, yes, but the response is over-exaggerated.

Also, odd to use an ad hominem to counter an ad hominem.

Would that be wild comparisons like trying to turn "I don't like this and understand why people are upset" to "frothing at the mouth at anyone who doesn't think this is North Korea manifests?"

I mean, you're complaining about getting smacked with a fish when you're holding a jew-shaped fish there, bud.

[Des-Bal]

Oh, that's easy. Because she thinks critically about video games instead of just yelling slurs having heated gaming moments.

Can you give me an example of when she's done that? I've tried to watch some of her videos but in the ones I picked the extent of her critical analysis was counting people with vaginas and talking about whether she liked the people attached to the vaginas or not. Shamus Young thinks critically about video games.

[Vassenor]

Wait....Did Gilette just assume a gender?

Boy's will be boys? Did they ask those two boys fighting what gender they want to be? Or just assumed?

People can be annoying, low life's, sexual harrased, bullies, domestic abusers of any gender. It's let's just make men responsible for all the evils in the world.

Hey hey mate don't check out that women's bum. While other ads call women oogling a half naked man empowerment to women.

Oh hey, something no-one involved in the campaign or indeed anyone in general has actually said.

[Shofercia]

A famous chauvinistic bigot who was invited to the UN to argue her form of prejudice and hatred should be allowed to censor dissenting opinion on a global scale and was one of the main advocates for the climate of censorship we see today?

Yeah. No idea why people hate her.

Oh, that's easy. Because she thinks critically about video games instead of just yelling slurs having heated gaming moments.

She thinks critically about video games?

[Ostroeuropa]

The response is due to an increasing climate of misandry and feminist dogmatism being pushed. It's a reaction to incrementalism that we're well aware of by this point.

It's far too strong from my perspective, and I don't see it bringing a lot of advantages.

There's a lot of reactionary antagonism going on, which I don't see as very useful. If anything, it just reinforces the rising prevalence of misandry by "proving their point" that men are X, Y, Z.

"Inner city riots just prove our point about Black People." Said Esternial.

If you're determined to ignore over half the critics and focus on the traditionalist backlash and say "This proves our point" then that's your decision, and it's one we'll criticize too.

How does men objecting to being vilified and singled out in this manner "Prove their point"?
This is incoherent nonsense you just spouted, and I think it's due to you being unable or unwilling to critically examine the notion that opposition to feminism is itself proof of misogyny. So you think "Well it just proves our point".

No, it doesn't. You're just caught in an insular, circular, and toxic ideological framework. Why not address this point?

Suppose the media was wall to wall coverage of how black people need to get a grip and stop being criminal and how they need to get with the times and be more like this "Modern" black guy who conforms to white peoples expectations of what a black person should be like with attributes emphasized based on how useful that black person could be to white people.

What would you say about the people who shrugged and said "Well, criminality is a problem, I don't see why you're so angry.", even in the context of them being singled out for this treatment.

You'd say they were racists right?

"Well it just proves our point about black people that they get angry about this. Angry black folk, blah blah blah."

How about I show you stats on how viewing men as a threat lowers empathy and increases bias toward women?
Do you think constant media campaigns screaming about male rapists and DV and so on while ignoring and downplaying womens participation in those things is positive merely because "Well men commit DV and rape so what's the problem?"

Well, it has massive ramifications for men and societies empathy toward them for one thing. Something that, hey, you guessed it, leads to the behaviors feminists whine about.

"Blacks are criminals, blacks are criminals, blacks are criminals."
<people don't hire black people. black crime increases>

"Male rapists, male rapists, male DV, evil menz, toxic masculinity, patriarchy."
<Empathy lowers for men. Guess what happens next.>

Unlike feminist ramblings, chauvinism, and paranoia, we have empirical studies to show a link here.

[Des-Bal]

I mean, you're complaining about getting smacked with a fish when you're holding a jew-shaped fish there, bud.

I asked you for a reason it was a bad comparison, you didn't have one. If you're saying men should be treated worse than jews please tell me why.

[Scomagia]

You know, it reveals a ton about you that you'd try and limit the discourse with what is essentially a mass ad hominem. Very disingenuous.

Making wild comparisons is not discourse, it's just fishing for gotchas.

The video was shit, yes, but the response is over-exaggerated.

Also, odd to use an ad hominem to counter an ad hominem.

Nevermind that a lot of the criticism comes from people who find the source specifically to be the problem since, you know, corporations are starting to get very good at getting free advertising by making the right virtue signals. No, it's all just wild comparisons.

I mean, if it got you to admit to what you were doing then it worked, right?